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Originally posted by timmyboy ok i can see time = happiness, now would you trade happiness for money? like i dont know how else to explain it. its an economics concept its not meant to be understood literally, altho it is very useful applying it in your daily life. but dude, if you think time = money is bad, wait till you find out that life = money too

I would not trade happiness for money.

However, I am fully aware of the relationship between time/life and money/value whathaveyou. No explanation necessary.

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Originally posted by AwakenedAddict I would not trade happiness for money. However, I am fully aware of the relationship between time/life and money/value whathaveyou. No explanation necessary.

ok then lets close this argument coz its a tiny difference and this debate is goin nowhere

Done and Done

so looks like this is going to happen?

meh...personally I could care less

but...a solution to this nonsense. Various levels of gov't need to step up and adequately fund the TTC...pour some REAL money into improving our transit system.

THEN deem the TTC an "essential service" and legally bar them from striking. teachers should be put in the same boat. it's bullshit that the TTC and school boards just threaten to strike and cripple the city after every goddamn contract runs out, resulting in parents scrambling to find daycare, kids losing out on education, people unable to get to work, etc.

*flame suit on* (but I don't care, those two areas ARE essential services for the smooth operation of our city...and I do agree that this work deserves to be compensated as such.)

I agree. Those are essential services like the paramedics. It pisses me off that all these unions have our city by the balls. Strike whenever it pleases them and put us in crazy situations. It's just not fair!!

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Originally posted by starsearcher Average TTC employee makes about $25/hour...HELLO!!! YOURE A BUS DRIVER!!!! They wanted money, they got money, they wanted more budget, they got that too....meanwhile services has been getting worse and NOW they want to go on strike?!?! FCUK YOU! why don't you go get some education instead of driving a bus and crying about it I know of people who graduated from UofT with a degree and working for much less than that and they're crying...cry me a river.

This thread makes me sick....... Who are you guys??? TTC employees do a lot more than "Just drive a BUS", streetcar or subway. These people have control of your lives on a daily basis. Not only do these people maintain control while driving your sorry ass�s all across the city, but they also have the responsibility to deal with the many crazy psychopaths that come on and off the TTC everyday.

Many TTC workers do have an education and they have still chosen to work for the TTC because it is a service to the city. To all your U of T friends who are working for less money .......Maybe they should apply for the TTC, but chances are they wouldn't get it cause you can't learn all you need to know by reading books. Maybe if you had a little more life experience you would know that having a degree doesn't entitle you to have a good job and make good money.

I feel that the TTC employees do a great job. They do their best to keep you safe and protect you from many of the dangers in the city. Weather you are on a bus, streetcar or subway these people are doing their best to make sure you arrive at your destination safe and in one piece.

If garbage collectors are entitled to making good money than the TTC employees deserve a lot more because the trash they pick up talks!!!!

Crush the union.

Public services are there to serve the public, not for the sake of creating union jobs.

Sorry but no one deserves to make $25 an hour to drive a bus. There are lots of jobs that pay much much less where more skills and more interaction with wierdos occur.

You will never convince me that driving a bus deserves $25 an hour.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 You will never convince me that driving a bus deserves $25 an hour.

What about in the future when inflationary pressures drive down the value of the dollar?

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Originally posted by AwakenedAddict What about in the future when inflationary pressures drive down the value of the dollar?

ok well come back to me in 2025 and then we can talk about $25

excusers, complainers and greedy bastards... that's all i see.

Anyone see those WeMoveToronto.ca ad's posted all over subway stations, buses, etc? What a frickin joke!! They're actually trying to get the public on their lameass side

Here's an idea: stop raising fares and lowering service...maybe then majority of the public will care!

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Originally posted by Crazy Serb excusers, complainers and greedy bastards... that's all i see.

let me just expand on this thought in a bit more detail.

if you're earning $25/hr and complaining about not being paid enough, well, i've got 2 words for you... FUCK YOU!

i don't care if you've got family, kids to feed, mortgage to pay for, bills to take care of, etc... earning $25/hr you should be more than comfortable taking care of all of the above. Now, instead of complaining I'd give them 3 choices - either 1) stop spending so much money, you stupid fucken idiot (you don't need a half a million dollar house, 4 cars, vacation every 2nd weekend down to Miami, all the luxury and shit) or 2) quit your job at TTC and get another job that will pay you more (good luck with that, given the experience at TTC) or do what most of us do when we NEED more money 3) get a second job on top of that one. When you consider those options, I guess they don't have it that bad after all...

If they're complaining about their wages, shit, what am I supposed to be doing with my situation then (being paid $10/hr to move other people's cars and take care of them while they are at work or wherever)? I should be burning City Hall down or something.

Fucken complainers...

Id love to see privatization. I've had comfy government jobs that paid me well over $30 an hour to do fuck all but at least i knew that it wasnt reality and was grateful for every penny. But seriously we need to re arrange how public services are distributed

1. you're worth whatever someone is willing to pay you

2. regardless of hourly wage everyone expects an increase as the
cost of living goes up

3. there's no rule that says your hourly wage is a reflection of how
hard you actually work

arguing over how much someone's job is actually worth is like a dog chasing it's tail....i remember making $3 an hour and thinking people at $10 an hour were over paid it's only natural.....

in my experience of seeing many different types of jobs, both low and high paying, some easy and some hard, paying a bus driver $25 an hour is not out of line in my opinion...

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Originally posted by torontobarfly in my experience of seeing many different types of jobs, both low and high paying, some easy and some hard, paying a bus driver $25 an hour is not out of line in my opinion...

it's not out of line, but i've seen enough people feed and support their families on half that hourly rate (my father included), so them complaining about NOT GETTING enough money is just them complaining for MORE money to keep up with their standards of living and then some. F U still stands.

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Originally posted by torontobarfly 1. you're worth whatever someone is willing to pay you 2. regardless of hourly wage everyone expects an increase as the cost of living goes up 3. there's no rule that says your hourly wage is a reflection of how hard you actually work arguing over how much someone's job is actually worth is like a dog chasing it's tail....i remember making $3 an hour and thinking people at $10 an hour were over paid it's only natural..... in my experience of seeing many different types of jobs, both low and high paying, some easy and some hard, paying a bus driver $25 an hour is not out of line in my opinion...

you forgot 4) when its taxpayer's money (ie MY money) paying for excessive salaries I have the right to be outraged.

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Originally posted by torontobarfly 1. you're worth whatever someone is willing to pay you

not when you're represented by a union.....

go drive a bus in toronto for a week jay and then come back and tell me if they're still over paid...

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Originally posted by torontobarfly go drive a bus in toronto for a week jay and then come back and tell me if they're still over paid...

go do just about any other job in the private sector that deals with the public and then tell me that bus drivers deserve more.

to be clear...I'm angry at the strike mentality in those sectors...I don't think anyone is overpaid.

People make the jobs in both sectors seem a bit more "simple" than they really are...but I also don't think anyone in either sector (except new teachers) has reason to complain about their earnings.

anyway, what I was talking about has nothing to do with evaluating the income of employees...it's that public trasportation and non-post secondary eduation should be deemed essential services. Witholding your labour from an employer, causing that employer greif...that's one thing. witholding labour that affects not only your employer, but directly, negatively and immediately impacts the number of people it does when school boards and TTC or Go stike...that's not acceptable, IMHO.

I get our ATU Union newsletter every month & in it they post all the ongoing contract negotiations from various other transit systems from all over North America...Some transit systems and from smaller cities.The hourly pay for drivers & mechanics would be lower because those cities are cheaper to live in....Boston pays MORE then here per hour & in U.S. funds but apparently its expensive to live in that city & its a big city...Just a trend that I notice whenever I read that newsletter...


Now instead of bashing a TTC driver who makes $24 an hour...How about lawyers making $200 to $300 an hour...now THAT is obscene ...Politicians working half a year and then get a FULL pension for working a term or 2 ( I forget which) on office....Why is it that no one bashes the overly rich yet when someone (like a bus driver) tries to make a descent living & trying to keep their head above water then he's OVERLY paid???

nah, I don't buy that comparison

1. Most lawyers (today) have 3-4 years undergrad, 3 years of law school, bar exam...minimum. That's assuming no other related training, grad school, etc. Education/training requirements of a TTC driver PALE in comparison. Not that education and training necessarily justifies higher pay...but those requirements for a lawyer automatically shrink the available labour pool of lawyers vs. who can be trained to be a TTC driver.

2. The liability a lawyer faces, and the duty of care owed to a client, can be substantial too. Even if their clerks slave away and "do most of the work", it's the lawywer who is on the hook and constantly in need of being careful of what they do and do not do. TTC drivers, by way of vicarious liability, have little to worry about in comparison...even if a driver is overtly negligent, isn't it the TTC who would sued? The driver might lose their job, but they're not in danger of being personally sued, disbarred, etc. as a lawyer might be.

I'm probably going to hell for defending the legal profession, lol...but I think lawyers get a bad rap all too often.

Politicians need to be paid well. Think about it...why would someone, eg. as a lawyer, professor, etc., become an MP or enter the public service sector at all, when they can make far more in the private sector? We need to have a pay scale substantial enough to entice the right people into those positions...corruption...well, that's another issue.

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Mar. 30, 2005. 01:00 AM TTC strike called unlikely Union, board still negotiating Friday morning legal strike date KEVIN MCGRAN TRANSPORTATION REPORTER TTC chairman Howard Moscoe says he's confident the transit service and its unionized workers will reach an agreement, but probably not in time for Friday's legal strike/lockout date. "There won't be a strike, there'll be a settlement," Moscoe said. "But not necessarily by the deadline, because we're working our way through 160 some-odd clauses. Each one takes hours." The Toronto Transit Commission's contract with its 8,000 employees expires at midnight Thursday, meaning at 12:01 Friday morning the members of Amalgamated Transit Union Local 113 will be in a legal strike position. The union said it won't strike as long as negotiations are productive. GO Transit said yesterday in a news release that it would try to accommodate more passengers if there is a strike. Earlier this month, the TTC workers voted 99 per cent against a five-year offer that included a 2 per cent wage hike in each of the next three years, and included benefit improvements for eye care, dental work and life insurance coverage. The union wants the TTC to beef up its pension contributions and to be more lenient on schedules. A TTC bus driver earns from $18 to $24 an hour. The union also represents administrative clerks, who at the low end start at about $16 an hour, and maintenance crew like mechanics, machinists and technicians, who at the high end earn about $28 to $30 an hour. Union president Bob Kinnear could not be reached for comment while the two sides carried on with negotiations last night.

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http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Co...ol=968705899037

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