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OK Jem...what's going on? I don't fit into Athiest or Agnostic.

What about ppl like me who don't follow any religion.
I happen to love and respect all people and all religions.
If there is a god that spiritually guides people to try and be kind to one another and respect each other, then he is my god too.
So you see, I don't fit into agnostic bc I believe that there may be a god. I don't pray and idolize any one God but for me God is omnipresent through us.
God is a spiritual tree with many branches of religion.

Where do I fit in?

As a spiritual person, I try to lead a righteous life. I believe we must become artists in living. To live by inspiration and sense the divine touch in everything; to enter into the spirit of things; to enter into the joy of living.

I believe there is an Avalon life.
No I'm not saying I wear berkenstocks and talk to the trees and cry with the wind

I believe that when we die we go to a place of healing and retreat from the world (paradise), essentually we go to the source of our immortality
I believe that while I am living on earth, I too have a power to make things happen and that it is my energy and positive spirit that brings love near me.

I also believe that as a human I am fallible, and that I can make changes within me by striving to learn and draw from the good energy of those around me.

So then why is there no category for people like me

^^^ I kinda like the sounds of that...and it makes a sort of sense too.

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Originally posted by Skuce ^^^ I kinda like the sounds of that...and it makes a sort of sense too.

Thanks

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I tend to be more disagreeable w/ idea of religion and whut often happens in its name than i am w/ the notion of god

religions make us hate, but believing in something brings us together.

i respect y'all but if you trying to tell me that not once in your life you were like "please dear God ......" then i dont believe you.

but i still respect how are you feeling about your atheism and such.

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Originally posted by Jem_hadar Hehehehe, i need to get to know you better girl ... i find your way of thinking refreshing and very much like my own! cheers to you PartEgurl esp. ur comment about when u drop the "god" word... i find many religious sayings very colourfull and love dropping them

Ya I wanted to meet you at Decadence !!

+1 to atheist

I'm a little bit of Agnostic and Athiest but I would say I'm more Athiest.

To not make it complicated, +1 for Athiest.

Im am an Agnostic deeply leaning towards atheism. atheism is the key to progression for our civilization.

When i drive by churches, mosques, and other religious temples that worship these man made "gods" and the prophets that have been sent down (coincidentally in human form) to spread "gods" messages.. i cant help but laugh at how idiotic and glorified these stories are

add me to the atheist list

I believe that to be atheist, you must be ignorant of the many signs, messengers, and miracles that God has shown over the years. Take for instance Padre Pio, who could tell you your sins without ever meeting you, or Edgar Cayce, who in a hypnotic state could give scientific and medical advice/cures for sick people who he never knew just by giving him a name while hypnotized. Doctors would go to him as a resort when they themselves didn't know what to do for a patient, and Edgar himself never remembered what he said or ever studied medicine, yet he did over 40 000 readings documented by scientific associations and proven to have taken place. Take for instance the 3 children of Fatima, who saw Mary and when thousands came to witness, saw the sun dance. Or how about instances when Mother Teresa or another very holy person visited a sick person with cancer or another terminal disease and the next day that person was cured without any scientific explanation. A church in Quebec, St. Anne de Beaupre, has numerous crutches as you walk in lying around left by people who entered the church and couldnt walk and while in there discovered they could walk again. I could give hundreds of examples, most of which many atheists I have met are totally oblivous to yet when I talk to them about these events, they choose to ignore them or not believe me because they have no explanation. I truly cannot understand how atheists think the way they do. It seems like atheists are always looking for some super miracle of God coming down from the heavens without ever looking at how God works in smaller ways all the time in our world. And I'm not bashing you guys at all, but I am looking at documented facts and from an objective point of view, have observed ignorance at times on your part.

Well mostly leaning towards atheist, but i try to make belief and preted sometimes there is a god, something to look forward to. so me on that list.

there's a lot of statment being made here, without any proof or rational backing them.
2 major problems here:
1-"religions make us hate" what's your proof for saying that? please provide at least one statement in any of the revelations (from hindu/christian/jewish/musilm,etc books, i.e the vedas/bible/gospels/koran, etc) that actually peaches people to hate or make them hate?

2- people who claim the're "spritual" but not "religious", make an absolute contradictionary claim.let's take a look at the meaning of the word spiritual:
spir�i�tu�al (spĭr'ĭ-chū-əl) adj.
1. Of, relating to, consisting of, or having the nature of spirit; not tangible or material. See synonyms at immaterial.
2. Of, concerned with, or affecting the soul.
3. Of, from, or relating to God; deific.
4. Of or belonging to a church or religion; sacred.
5. Relating to or having the nature of spirits or a spirit; supernatural.

n.
1. A religious folk song of African-American origin.
2. A work composed in imitation of such a song.
2. Religious, spiritual, or ecclesiastical matters. Often used in the plural.
so basically you're saying i'm religious but i'm not religious?!?! so that logic is obviously flawed.
it's alright to question everything and anything ,there's no certainty without doubt, but if you just pick on the trends and what's fashionable and make casual statments you loose your credibility.

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Originally posted by Xavier Moriarty religions make us hate, but believing in something brings us together. i respect y'all but if you trying to tell me that not once in your life you were like "please dear God ......" then i dont believe you. but i still respect how are you feeling about your atheism and such.

Yea, honestly, I cant remember ONE time saying something along those lines when i was in a scary or terrifying situation.

and say if i ever did, i honestly dont believe if i recited those words, that i was wishing for the litteral meaning of those words. i could maybe see my self saying it figurateively, like "dear god, i hope i dont die" meaning (ie. another way i was just as likley to put it) = "holy cow, i hope i live!"

~Jem~

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Originally posted by Espresso there's a lot of statment being made here, without any proof or rational backing them. 2 major problems here: 1-"religions make us hate" what's your proof for saying that? please provide at least one statement in any of the revelations (from hindu/christian/jewish/musilm,etc books, i.e the vedas/bible/gospels/koran, etc) that actually peaches people to hate or make them hate? 2- people who claim the're "spritual" but not "religious", make an absolute contradictionary claim.let's take a look at the meaning of the word spiritual: spir�i�tu�al (spĭr'ĭ-chū-əl) adj. 1. Of, relating to, consisting of, or having the nature of spirit; not tangible or material. See synonyms at immaterial. 2. Of, concerned with, or affecting the soul. 3. Of, from, or relating to God; deific. 4. Of or belonging to a church or religion; sacred. 5. Relating to or having the nature of spirits or a spirit; supernatural. n. 1. A religious folk song of African-American origin. 2. A work composed in imitation of such a song. 2. Religious, spiritual, or ecclesiastical matters. Often used in the plural. so basically you're saying i'm religious but i'm not religious?!?! so that logic is obviously flawed. it's alright to question everything and anything ,there's no certainty without doubt, but if you just pick on the trends and what's fashionable and make casual statments you loose your credibility.

I disagree entirely. Though I am not spirital at all, I have some friends who are spirital but not religious. they have their OWN beflief about a high power, and its not the god that is celebrated by many vast religions. some think is this an energy flow or whutever flowing thru the universe and connects us all and they are highly spirital in their beliefs around that notion. i woudlnt call that religious. its not exactly fitting into a religion. they aren't claiming the enrgy is god... but they are treating it very spiritually nonetheless

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Originally posted by che add me to the atheist list

Happy to have you

i dont know what to believe anymore

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Originally posted by Espresso there's a lot of statment being made here, without any proof or rational backing them. 2 major problems here: 1-"religions make us hate" what's your proof for saying that? please provide at least one statement in any of the revelations (from hindu/christian/jewish/musilm,etc books, i.e the vedas/bible/gospels/koran, etc) that actually peaches people to hate or make them hate?

well, like 90% of all wars still has something to do with religion.

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Originally posted by Espresso 2- people who claim the're "spritual" but not "religious", make an absolute contradictionary claim.let's take a look at the meaning of the word spiritual: spir�i�tu�al (spĭr'ĭ-chū-əl) adj. 1. Of, relating to, consisting of, or having the nature of spirit; not tangible or material. See synonyms at immaterial. 2. Of, concerned with, or affecting the soul. 3. Of, from, or relating to God; deific. 4. Of or belonging to a church or religion; sacred. 5. Relating to or having the nature of spirits or a spirit; supernatural. n. 1. A religious folk song of African-American origin. 2. A work composed in imitation of such a song. 2. Religious, spiritual, or ecclesiastical matters. Often used in the plural. so basically you're saying i'm religious but i'm not religious?!?! so that logic is obviously flawed. it's alright to question everything and anything ,there's no certainty without doubt, but if you just pick on the trends and what's fashionable and make casual statments you loose your credibility.

good point Andy, I guess when I say i'm spiritual but not religious I'm highlighting the fact that I do believe in the posibility of a higher being. I do partially believe in a soul and karma as well as living a rightous life, however without needing to subscribe to any one particular religion. I'm a whole hearted believer in the idea that if you subscribe to any one religion you gotta stick to it 100%. Too many hypocrites out there who say they follow a religion and yet do not follow all the rules. One can be spiritual and yet not subscribe to one particular religion, in my head that works out -- but I see how to some others that may not be as feasible.

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Originally posted by Jem_hadar I disagree entirely. Though I am not spirital at all, I have some friends who are spirital but not religious. they have their OWN beflief about a high power, and its not the god that is celebrated by many vast religions. some think is this an energy flow or whutever flowing thru the universe and connects us all and they are highly spirital in their beliefs around that notion.

sounds a lot like the Force to me ..

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Originally posted by Chris T. Dot I believe that to be atheist, you must be ignorant of the many signs, messengers, and miracles that God has shown over the years. Take for instance Padre Pio, who could tell you your sins without ever meeting you, or Edgar Cayce, who in a hypnotic state could give scientific and medical advice/cures for sick people who he never knew just by giving him a name while hypnotized. Doctors would go to him as a resort when they themselves didn't know what to do for a patient, and Edgar himself never remembered what he said or ever studied medicine, yet he did over 40 000 readings documented by scientific associations and proven to have taken place. Take for instance the 3 children of Fatima, who saw Mary and when thousands came to witness, saw the sun dance. Or how about instances when Mother Teresa or another very holy person visited a sick person with cancer or another terminal disease and the next day that person was cured without any scientific explanation. A church in Quebec, St. Anne de Beaupre, has numerous crutches as you walk in lying around left by people who entered the church and couldnt walk and while in there discovered they could walk again. I could give hundreds of examples, most of which many atheists I have met are totally oblivous to yet when I talk to them about these events, they choose to ignore them or not believe me because they have no explanation. I truly cannot understand how atheists think the way they do. It seems like atheists are always looking for some super miracle of God coming down from the heavens without ever looking at how God works in smaller ways all the time in our world. And I'm not bashing you guys at all, but I am looking at documented facts and from an objective point of view, have observed ignorance at times on your part.

Honestly, I see it more as gulability that you believe in these things. i still think they are just tales man. im w/ DJ_Elyot when it comes to Jesus... i think he may have existed too... but he wasnt the son of god thats for sure. as was said, he was prolly just a charismatic, well-liked, clever individual

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Originally posted by Jem_hadar I disagree entirely. Though I am not spirital at all, I have some friends who are spirital but not religious. they have their OWN beflief about a high power, and its not the god that is celebrated by many vast religions. some think is this an energy flow or whutever flowing thru the universe and connects us all and they are highly spirital in their beliefs around that notion. i woudlnt call that religious. its not exactly fitting into a religion. they aren't claiming the enrgy is god... but they are treating it very spiritually nonetheless

jem i think you should read the post that you reply to
all you said was totaally irrelevant to my post.
simply the word "Spiritually" is associated with the word religious.
reas the post more carefully

I'm an atheist. But I do believe in fate.

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Originally posted by St_Andrew well, like 90% of all wars still has something to do with religion.

another general statment with no proof!
please provide historical facts and evidence!

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Originally posted by drgoodvibe good point Andy, I guess when I say i'm spiritual but not religious I'm highlighting the fact that I do believe in the posibility of a higher being. I do partially believe in a soul and karma as well as living a rightous life, however without needing to subscribe to any one particular religion. I'm a whole hearted believer in the idea that if you subscribe to any one religion you gotta stick to it 100%. Too many hypocrites out there who say they follow a religion and yet do not follow all the rules. One can be spiritual and yet not subscribe to one particular religion, in my head that works out -- but I see how to some others that may not be as feasible.

ok, wait a sec here, beh!
it seems there are 2 things here being mixed up.
first you can choose your religion after all the tought you want to give it and if there are hypocrites out there that do whatever does that mean that you have to reject religion? or is it them who you should reject?
and moreover i don't see the connection bettween this and following and subcribing to only 1 religion 100%??
please enlighten me

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Originally posted by drgoodvibe good point Andy, I guess when I say i'm spiritual but not religious I'm highlighting the fact that I do believe in the posibility of a higher being. I do partially believe in a soul and karma as well as living a rightous life, however without needing to subscribe to any one particular religion. I'm a whole hearted believer in the idea that if you subscribe to any one religion you gotta stick to it 100%. Too many hypocrites out there who say they follow a religion and yet do not follow all the rules. One can be spiritual and yet not subscribe to one particular religion, in my head that works out -- but I see how to some others that may not be as feasible.

but that doesnt even make u agnostic....

since an agnostic doubts the very existence of God/a higher power while u say u do belive theres a higher power and the idea of soul and karma...

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