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Posted by BLuEOcEaN420 on Apr-13-2005 04:14:

my favorite: Mary J. Blige - Beautiful (Black Star Mix)
quote:
Yes you are (Sometimes you just meet someone and you just completely...)
You're so beautiful
Here we go... come on
Absolutely fantastic, Now you're near
Absolutely fantastic, In my life
Fantastic, All my fears
Fantastic, Beautiful
Fantastic, Come to me
Fantastic, Now I am
Fantastic, Someone watching over me Fantastic

[Mos Def]
I dreamt that I could paint you with words
But there were no colors bright enough
Black or white enough
Blue or green enough, it didn't mean enough
You are the star that touched the earth
Shine bright for all eyes to see
Radiate and touched me
Now I'm shining like you do
It was dim before I knew you
Bright light for weeping eyes to get used to
Trust who, that's some shit to adjust to
Soon as you relax, they ease back and cold bust you
Love murdered in Brooklyn, sound the alarm
But you still remain calm, my passion is unarmed
I tried to practice my whole life tactics
But in your clutch and your touch, my armor just collapses
Sun's bliss breeds obliviousness
So recollect sweet breath still wet on my lips
My prayer's this: Go protect my beloved and keep her covered
From the valley to the summer like the land undiscovered
(like the stars)

[Hook]
[Mary]
Beautiful, now you're near in my life all my fear
Beautiful, come to me, now I am, someone watching over me
[Black Star]
Like the stars outnumbered, you are so beautiful
I do all my best so I could be true to you
Ain't nothing in this word that I wouldn't do for you
?? everything usual
Like the stars outnumbered, you are so beautiful
Where I stand, understand who I am, that makes me a man

[Talib Kweli]
You know what, they say that beauty's in the eye of the beholder
So I use my third, and now I love the silent like a boulder
Want to be with you as I get older
And that's my word, sure as I stand on my ancestors' shoulders
You see through my drama and my world like a stage
Not the same years but living in the same age
Just the quality, not the quantity
Fllow me, definitely
Far from probably, got to be
You and me, beautifully, thick like pieces of the man I used to be
Now I'm back cause of what you do to me
You like my reflection, better half to my whole
Like lyrics to the beat, you the matre for my soul
The breath for my life, my sister and my lover
Used to have cold feet, now you the one under my covers
I ignore your aura but it grabbed me by the hand
Like the moon pulled the tide and the tide pulled the sand

[Hook]
Go ahead, Mary, baby, sing your song
OOh, so beautiful
That dream that it would be so beautiful
I wanna say that I love you
All the love you give, all the love you give to me
All my days and nights were lonely
And it's so beautiful
And now I have a friend that I can talk to, yeah
Boy, you're so beautiful

[Mos Def and Kweli be switching back and forth like a crossfader]
Because you're fruitful, beautiful
Smart, lovable, huggable, doable like art
Suitable to be part of the cosmos
With my eyes closed, I see you clearly
Combined lifetimes with like minds, your lovelight shines
Bright the apple of my eyesight
The tender kiss that whets my appetite
My mighty Aphrodite, the flame that ignite me
Your name just excite me
Your eyes so alive they aright me
Cause you are so beautiful
You don't even know the length I would go
To make absolutely sho' you is respected and protected
And never neglected, I hope my prayers is accapted
That you always will be watched over
And never rocked over
And if you need me to, I'll stop over
To check on you, I'd never jet on you
I know a lot of foolish cats that slept on you
But what I'm gonna do is be totally committed
If you need me I'll be hotter than the New York Mennen
With a hundred percentage, from the start to the finish
Cause the vibe you give leave me so replenished
It's a new beginning, this is serious business
Got my heart and soul in it
It's the way that I'm living
Let it be known that I'm devoted, it's always going to prevail
The newly risen, truely living universal for real
It's like that y'all, and ya don't stop


talib kweli, mos def, common... they are all super smoothe and are the epitome of good hiphop.

also really into Gorillaz - Feel Good Inc. lately. the vid kicks a well. am i the only one that think the melody part totally samples U2 - Staring At The Sun? good stuff.


Posted by Max Thomson on Apr-13-2005 04:58:

quote:
Originally posted by fissipissi
hip-hop,rap is neither good nor intelligent ...its not even music but annoying noise in most cases


thats so...ignorant.

Atmosphere!


Posted by Lebezniatnikov on Apr-13-2005 05:56:

quote:
Originally posted by fissipissi
hip-hop,rap is neither good nor intelligent ...its not even music but annoying noise in most cases

I don't necessarily like hip-hop all the time either, but I can at least respect it as a musical genre. To each his own man.


Posted by arctic on Apr-13-2005 08:54:

Most of my favorites like Mos Def, Talib Kweli, the Roots, Common, Tribe Called Quest, X-Clan, Kool Keith, Arrested Development, Jurassic 5, Black Starr, Gang Starr, Afrika Bam, Immortal Technique, Jungle Brothers, J-Live, J-Zone, Deltron 3030, Dead Prez, The Coup, Spearhead and so on have already been mentioned, but how can you have an intelligent hip hop thread without mentioning Public Enemy or KRS-ONE & Boogie Down Productions? All of the Public Enemy albums (including Chuck D's solo disc and their recent stuff, believe it or not) are worth buying, the production work is amazing, not to mention the generally intelligent and thought provoking lyrics. The same goes for KRS-ONE, although the first BDP album is a little bit suspect with regards to the lyrical content.

I haven't seen anyone mention De La Soul either, they're mandatory listening if you're looking to get into intelligent, socially conscious old school stuff. I'd also recommend Paris. He can be a little bit over the top at times, but his albums are still very much worth getting. He's also handling production on the upcoming Public Enemy album, so it's definitely something to look forward to. I'd also recommend anything from Eric B. & Rakim - whilst I don't know if you could call it intelligent, the Rakim is probably the best MC ever in my view.

As for the people making snide comments about hip hop played on the radio, a majority of the artists discussed in this thread generally aren't given good radio play; they're often snubbed by radio and the industry in general; in essence, they don't chart. Anyhow, check out any of the artists mentioned; they're all worth listening to.


Posted by VietKid on Apr-13-2005 13:52:

quote:
Originally posted by fissipissi
your making a fool of yourself if you sympathisize with noise roaring and in many cases called monkey music =rap,hip-hop on a trance board


wtf u racist piece of shit, there is quality in all music loook deeper you uninformed idiot.


Posted by VietKid on Apr-13-2005 13:55:

quote:
Originally posted by fissipissi
no i just told you what many ppl think about rap : monkey music but thats not the point...
no promotion for this kind of "music" << can be accepted here


says who?

and how come the moderators are not moving it?


Posted by VietKid on Apr-13-2005 13:57:

quote:
Originally posted by Sand Leaper
And let me guess, you complain about people saying trance "sounds all the same" and "trance is stupid noise"? Hypocrite.


well all genres sounds the same at first but its the attention to notes, melody, structure and detail thats important in developing a taste.


Posted by VietKid on Apr-13-2005 14:03:

quote:
Originally posted by Plastick
Good, Intelligent = Underground stuff?


how do we define intelligent?

i think eminem is intelligent, i mean he is very creative. em may be immature and say stupidness but that doesn't make him less intelligent.

the roots are intelligent also, they might not be as creative as eminem lyrically but they are like a rock band and play their own instruments too. they are positive ppl also.

what makes a rapper intelligent?


Posted by iammesol on Apr-13-2005 14:19:

quote:
Originally posted by VietKid
how do we define intelligent?

i think eminem is intelligent, i mean he is very creative. em may be immature and say stupidness but that doesn't make him less intelligent.

the roots are intelligent also, they might not be as creative as eminem lyrically but they are like a rock band and play their own instruments too. they are positive ppl also.



w0rd, i've been saying this for years


Posted by VietKid on Apr-13-2005 14:37:

quote:
Originally posted by dinoXpress
i like his older stuff with the fugees, and his first solo album..


any fans of canadian hip hop?
swollen members.
moka only.
battle axe records
choclair
rascalz


whack, canadian hip hop is lacking alot. lyrically we are well behind.


Posted by VietKid on Apr-13-2005 14:38:

quote:
Originally posted by GT_TraNcE
here are some of my fav hip hop tracks
Benefit-So sick
Jedi Mind Tricks - The Rage of Angels
Gangstar-The Revolutionist
Guru f. Master Ace-Conflict
Cage -Ballad of Worms
Immortal Technique -Internally Bleeding
Bless Feat Guru -My Time



and just about anything from Tribe called quest


gt_trance is a bitch yo, dont listen to this cat...


Posted by VietKid on Apr-13-2005 14:41:

quote:
Originally posted by fissipissi
rap,hip-hop just as music = garbage

rap,hip-hop fans = they have no clue about real music


expand please?

what is your definiton of real music?

what is your definition of garbage?


Posted by VietKid on Apr-13-2005 14:45:

quote:
Originally posted by Hydarnes
ROFL...Tell me what on earth those lyrics have to do with the way the music sounds? Do you want me to quote hip-hop lyrics to "prove" that it's senseless and tacky?


Isnt there tacky music in trance?


Posted by VietKid on Apr-13-2005 14:46:

quote:
Originally posted by Hydarnes
Agreed.




No comment. I'll take Castles in the sky over anything america plays on the radio any day.


But 90% pf the best hip op is not heard on radio or tv.


Posted by VietKid on Apr-13-2005 14:56:

Intelligent from my own perspective(not just political, positive)

Nas
2pac
Jadakiss
Eminem
Notorius B.I.G.
Roots
K-OS
Mos Def & Talib Kwelli
Outkast
Common
and More

Production Wise
Dr. Dre, Havoc, Kanye west


Posted by Allied Nations on Apr-13-2005 15:05:

quote:
Originally posted by arctic
Most of my favorites like Mos Def, Talib Kweli, the Roots, Common, Tribe Called Quest, X-Clan, Kool Keith, Arrested Development, Jurassic 5, Black Starr, Gang Starr, Afrika Bam, Immortal Technique, Jungle Brothers, J-Live, J-Zone, Deltron 3030, Dead Prez, The Coup, Spearhead and so on have already been mentioned, but how can you have an intelligent hip hop thread without mentioning Public Enemy or KRS-ONE & Boogie Down Productions? All of the Public Enemy albums (including Chuck D's solo disc and their recent stuff, believe it or not) are worth buying, the production work is amazing, not to mention the generally intelligent and thought provoking lyrics. The same goes for KRS-ONE, although the first BDP album is a little bit suspect with regards to the lyrical content.

I haven't seen anyone mention De La Soul either, they're mandatory listening if you're looking to get into intelligent, socially conscious old school stuff. I'd also recommend Paris. He can be a little bit over the top at times, but his albums are still very much worth getting. He's also handling production on the upcoming Public Enemy album, so it's definitely something to look forward to. I'd also recommend anything from Eric B. & Rakim - whilst I don't know if you could call it intelligent, the Rakim is probably the best MC ever in my view.

As for the people making snide comments about hip hop played on the radio, a majority of the artists discussed in this thread generally aren't given good radio play; they're often snubbed by radio and the industry in general; in essence, they don't chart. Anyhow, check out any of the artists mentioned; they're all worth listening to.



how did we forget de la soul!

Paris is awesome as well! i dont know anyone who has heard of him!!

solid post.


Posted by mzvirbulis on Apr-13-2005 15:10:

man de la soul r definatly the only hip hop sound i have ever enjoyed!
ooh also a little AUTOMATO?


shit is it just me that i can read what was really going to happen throughout this thread?

this tread is virtually formulaic! i knew what was coming about!
i have read over and over stuff like this before!

OF COURSE WE CAN NOT DEFINE GOOD MUSIC, BECAUSE GOOD MUSIC ONLY RELATES TO ONLY 1'S SATISFACTION.
the problem is when it comes to stuff like this is, people r trying to hard to define music and other stuff when you cant. we cant define certain things because we live in a world which we introduced an artificial lanuage and (structure) which we made up which has little resemblence to the real world. the only lanuage that comes close is mathmatics!
SO STOP ALL THE FLAMIN OF MUSICAL TASTES DUDES?


peace!! 8-)

but continue on about this thread please?

no one knows the true answer, but is there a true answer?

f#%# i hate boundries of imagination! (no not armins cd)

(sorry i talk some shit) it like late i goto go to bed?


Posted by mto on Apr-13-2005 15:38:

I'm refusing to post anything, i've battled many idiots on this same subject.


Posted by Allied Nations on Apr-13-2005 16:16:

for people who dont like hip hop, most of you like fatboy slim, not all but a lot, and he is a crossover arist with roots both in hip hop and house, many a time has he showcased hip hop artists, palookaville definetely has a hip hop vibe, no doubt.

there is a compromise.


Posted by dj tek on Apr-13-2005 16:18:

quote:
Originally posted by dinoXpress
for people who dont like hip hop, most of you like fatboy slim, not all but a lot, and he is a crossover arist with roots both in hip hop and house, many a time has he showcased hip hop artists, palookaville definetely has a hip hop vibe, no doubt.

there is a compromise.

lots of crossover artists from hip hop... dave clarke, fatboy slim, joey beltram, mauro picotto, anthony pappa.....


Posted by sandstorm03 on Apr-13-2005 16:19:

felix ???

P. Diddy


Posted by dj tek on Apr-13-2005 16:21:

quote:
Originally posted by sandstorm03
felix ???


i dont know.. he dont really have much technical ability to have been a hip hop dj or anything.. hes just an 80s music whore..


Posted by sandstorm03 on Apr-13-2005 16:23:

quote:
Originally posted by dj tek
i dont know.. he dont really have much technical ability to have been a hip hop dj or anything.. hes just an 80s music whore..


lol, soo true


Posted by UWM on Apr-13-2005 16:26:

And Hydarnes attempts to ruin another thread.


Posted by kr00t0n on Apr-13-2005 16:40:

Hydarnes and fissipissi, if ignorance is bliss, the 2 of you must being enjoying Nirvana together

Even though I am no longer a huge fan of Hip Hop or RnB, I do respect the good stuff produced by the genre.

Old school Dre and Snoop, Arrested Development, Warren G, excellent musicians imo, and I would take them over Castles Made of Shite ANY DAY!!!


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