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nah dave you prove time and again you have no idea how to exist in society and prove to be useful.
yeah, what dave said. plus, as far as im concerned, if you dont like the song youre playing, how can you expect others to? not playing vocal tracks could even be part of the style of a particular DJ. it takes all sorts.
and i dont think youre giving the punters enough credit P.
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| Originally posted by queen_vee but arguments with randoms over the internet is kind of weird so i'll stick to simple postings on this forum now. |
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| Originally posted by eRRaTiK bahaha pkcRAISTLIN he called you a random, you random |
i was more offended that he/she's gonna stick to "simple" posts from now on. like theres something i didnt quite understand!
Well maybe I don't give pnters much credit
but the average, for arguement sake 5am crowd, know what is going on but you go to any large party and people have no idea of what is going on in the music and all they want is to feel good, uplifted even.
I think most people on this board are not the average punter and some people get a scewed view of what makes good trance and a good dj set.
you could be right, but what makes the pros at the big events any less skewed?
and i really dont think you can synonymise "uplifted" with "vocals".
well no I was talking in general about uplifted but people do want to sing along..
the pros at big events play what ever tune the crowd reacts to (if they are good enough) I have noticed vocal tracks get a good healthy response.
Trance is all about big vocals and big synths. Its that simple. The creativity makes it exciting to listen to. I have not heard anything in this country that is ground breaking recently and I think it is people who are producing (or trying to) are to far up themselves and stale.
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| Originally posted by Dr P well no I was talking in general about uplifted but people do want to sing along.. the pros at big events play what ever tune the crowd reacts to (if they are good enough) I have noticed vocal tracks get a good healthy response. Trance is all about big vocals and big synths. Its that simple. The creativity makes it exciting to listen to. I have not heard anything in this country that is ground breaking recently and I think it is people who are producing (or trying to) are to far up themselves and stale. |
.. trance is about emotion my good sir.
don't really need vocals to convey it.. its optional! 
My two cents.
Vocals are good untill they make them the focal point of the track, and then the music behind it suffers, the second you put the big powerfull "fake emotive", vocals in, the music has to be so piss weak to let them throu7gh the mix, so they're musically boring, the good tracks are the ones, which have the nice rythms with the vocals, hence the reason for g and d's success.
...and this is why people call me jaded. do you guys blame me?
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| trance is all about big vocals and big synths. Its that simple. |
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| Originally posted by Dr P nah dave you prove time and again you have no idea how to exist in society and prove to be useful. |
Well I still love vocal tracks and am very proud of the great vocal stuff that Keith writes! Unbelieve is a good example, and there will be many more to come! (He didn't enter his vocal stuff on the TT CD comp)
good songs with vocals = good (remember james holdens last track? w00t w00t! 
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good songs without vocals = good
bad songs with vocals = bad
bad songs without vocals = bad
i do agree with the sentiment that there are some DJs who are more interested in dropping the latest ch00nage than they are making the crowd go off.
look at adam white dropping rock your body. if strangelove or old man pana had dropped it during one of their sets, there'd be a thread posted up here called "POLL: BURN AT THE STAKE VS TARRED AND FEATHERED - WHICH SHOULD IT BE?"
...yet when adam white dropped it, the 60+ punters who'd been on their arse on the couches and sidelines waiting for something familiar nearly trampled each other to death to get to the dancefloor, which was completely packed out (before returning to its half-filled state once the familiar tunes petered out - sorry peter)
The reality is that the vast majority of punters don't follow along with tunes the way we do - they want a mix of familiar and new, and by familiar i mean tunes they've heard and remember. like it or lump it, a tune like 'jump the next train' or 'skydive' will stick in a punter's head much more readily than the white-labelled-acetate 12-copies-made promo-only dub version of Gunther Van Boogeren's new single Ich Bin Eine Jadedfuuketarde (due for release in mid-2007 in Luxembourg and Romania and 2009 in Bolivia on Juan Valdez Records) that you've got listed in your sig as 'top choon of the hour'. If you don't believe me, just watch the dancefloor go off the next time an international drops one of those vocal trance bombs that so many here consider to be a groaner.
hopefully this logic can also be used as my excuse for only owning 20 records, 17 of which are more than 3 years old...
ahh.. so you like jump the next train. 
ps. i was there while everyone was going off to rock your body rock. and it was sickening to say the least. if that song were a baby i would've dropped it at birth
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| Originally posted by Nyquist_Theorem good songs with vocals = good (remember james holdens last track? w00t w00t! )good songs without vocals = good bad songs with vocals = bad bad songs without vocals = bad i do agree with the sentiment that there are some DJs who are more interested in dropping the latest ch00nage than they are making the crowd go off. look at adam white dropping rock your body. if strangelove or old man pana had dropped it during one of their sets, there'd be a thread posted up here called "POLL: BURN AT THE STAKE VS TARRED AND FEATHERED - WHICH SHOULD IT BE?" ...yet when adam white dropped it, the 60+ punters who'd been on their arse on the couches and sidelines waiting for something familiar nearly trampled each other to death to get to the dancefloor, which was completely packed out (before returning to its half-filled state once the familiar tunes petered out - sorry peter) The reality is that the vast majority of punters don't follow along with tunes the way we do - they want a mix of familiar and new, and by familiar i mean tunes they've heard and remember. like it or lump it, a tune like 'jump the next train' or 'skydive' will stick in a punter's head much more readily than the white-labelled-acetate 12-copies-made promo-only dub version of Gunther Van Boogeren's new single Ich Bin Eine Jadedfuuketarde (due for release in mid-2007 in Luxembourg and Romania and 2009 in Bolivia on Juan Valdez Records) that you've got listed in your sig as 'top choon of the hour'. If you don't believe me, just watch the dancefloor go off the next time an international drops one of those vocal trance bombs that so many here consider to be a groaner. hopefully this logic can also be used as my excuse for only owning 20 records, 17 of which are more than 3 years old... |
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| Originally posted by DaveBegic ahh.. so you like jump the next train. ps. i was there while everyone was going off to rock your body rock. and it was sickening to say the least. if that song were a baby i would've dropped it at birth |
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| Originally posted by DaveBegic ahh.. so you like jump the next train. ps. i was there while everyone was going off to rock your body rock. and it was sickening to say the least. if that song were a baby i would've dropped it at birth |
only for 2 minutes though, because i'd rather hang around with my mates than sit there talking to some knob head off the internet who doesn't agree with me anyway
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| Originally posted by Nyquist_Theorem isn't that the whole point of djing - to make the crowd go off? for sure we should have a proper crap-on in person next outing we're both at - cuz i reckon you're a right fooker! don't tell JPL tho - i told him he was the biggestt fooker on TA and you don't want him getting jealous... |
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| Originally posted by Nyquist_Theorem ...yet when adam white dropped it, the 60+ punters who'd been on their arse on the couches and sidelines waiting for something familiar nearly trampled each other to death to get to the dancefloor, which was completely packed out (before returning to its half-filled state once the familiar tunes petered out - sorry peter) |
he wouldnt own it and play it otherwise. 
cummins - just a bit of fun with a splash of opinion tied in. i nominate you for the coolest tasmanian out next to chopper reid btw.
well i could be as cool as chopper, but i need my ears to hold my sunnies up 
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| Originally posted by Nyquist_Theorem good songs with vocals = good good songs without vocals = good bad songs with vocals = bad bad songs without vocals = bad..[/SIZE] |
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| Originally posted by DaveBegic cummins - just a bit of fun with a splash of opinion tied in. i nominate you for the coolest tasmanian out next to chopper reid btw. |
jpl
haha
this thread makes me laugh....
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