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Posted by Dervish on May-20-2005 15:13:

All this pish about "British Food" being crap, if you go to shitty chain restaurants (not just McD, but "Bella Pasta" or Little Johns) it'll be shit. As will pub food, it's alright but it probebly came from a microwave.

Additionally all the different parts of the UK have signature dishes and so if you haven't tried all of them you can't say anything about "British Food".

Fish and chips is common food, comparing it to handmade pasta (which I do myself actually) with truffles (think some are �500 a kg) is quite silly.

E.g. have you tried Haggis (even that is tourist choice)?

Porridge is Scottish and hence "British Food", if you include drinks what about Whisky (not the gay American stuff the stuff that has EU name/origin protection)?


So if you wade in as a tourist and try stuff without knowing the good places you'll get shit. I remeber in London these Americans getting fish and chips at seriously one of the shittest chippys I've ever been in they were all taking pictures of it and stuff, the place was as far from a dencent chippy as you could be.

They probebly think all chippys are like that and they arn't.

If I went to Pizza Hut and got a shit Pizza, conclusion Itallian Food is shit? I think not.


Posted by DrUg_Tit0 on May-20-2005 18:16:

quote:
Originally posted by Dervish
Additionally all the different parts of the UK have signature dishes and so if you haven't tried all of them you can't say anything about "British Food".


Yes, like there's all different sorts of british food. There's like salmon and chips, tuna and chips, shark and chips, salmon and french fries...


Posted by Dervish on May-20-2005 18:16:

quote:
Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0
Yes, like there's all different sorts of british food. There's like salmon and chips, tuna and chips, shark and chips, salmon and french fries...


LOL, but no...


Posted by Dervish on May-20-2005 19:00:

Aberdeen Angus (or Angus) beef is from Scotland, hence British food.

And belive me it's popular, if you eat beef and live in the US (and alot of other places) you've probebly eaten it as it's the most produced breed.

EDIT:
So if British Food is shit so is yours if it uses beef!


Posted by h0tsweetbabyd0l on May-20-2005 19:11:

maybe scottish food is better than the usual english food after all ! never tried though


Posted by St_Andrew on May-20-2005 20:25:

quote:
Originally posted by trancaholic
According to Wikipedia it's supposedly a Danish speciality, but that has never been my impression. Yes, we do have Danish pastry in Denmark, but it's not called "Danish" or something similarly nationalistic, and there's not, like, entire shops dedicated to it. I would say that it's about as Danish as coffee, newspapers, and chewing gum.
Further, when talking about it in Denmark, people usually laugh at the fact that it is being called "Danish" abroad - a curious oddity we think, rather than boast of pride that "our pastry" is so well known. And considering how darned proud Danes are of Denmark, that to me hints that we can take no credit of inventing it.


i think its funny, cause in swedish (and danish to i think?) a "danish" is called "wienerbr�d" which pretty much means "bread from Vienna"... really confusing!!!


Posted by St_Andrew on May-20-2005 20:28:

quote:
Originally posted by jdat
What's up with this thread?

Most off topic EVER!

Ok as I randomly browsed in here and currently living in this damn country called France here's my belief on the reasons of the No winning right now:
people want to get back at the governement that's something that has come out from a lot of polls there's a general distrust. Between all the strikes the loss of buying power minister being fired for having outrageous appartements at the peoples expense.
There's also a myth that there will be a Plan B. That's highly debatable that it'll ever come back around modified in concordance with the french peoples will. These people are dreaming and don't understand they'll be totally out of the loop.
The polls are also a very bad thing in this particular case I'm not doubting of their reliability but I'm certainly putting in question it's negative impact and excessive influence in modern day politics.

I wish I'd bought the Le Monde newspaper 2 days ago they always have the best satirical political cartoons. Basically the drawing was a guy and a girl and the guy asks his girlfriend " Do you love me today? " and the girl answers " I don't know, what are the polls saying today ? "
It's so representative of the french peoples opinion swinging on the constitution vote.


thats interesting, sounds much like the swedish EMU referendum, which really was a farse... cause really, the great majority of the population have no fucking clue about even what monetary policies means!!! i guess this is turning out similar, with ppl thinking lots of things which arent true, voteing for something to protest the government etc


Posted by h0tsweetbabyd0l on May-20-2005 20:56:

today according a poll it was 53% for the no
47% for the yes

...the left party is divided ...they are not united which doesn't improve things at all ....
well we'll see the results but im scared france says no...the polls are not encouraging at all


Posted by jdat on May-20-2005 23:12:

quote:
Originally posted by h0tsweetbabyd0l
today according a poll it was 53% for the no
47% for the yes

...the left party is divided ...they are not united which doesn't improve things at all ....
well we'll see the results but im scared france says no...the polls are not encouraging at all


Marie wanna move overseas with me

We could go to Switzerland they got good jobs and it's an awesome country to live in


Posted by trancaholic on May-20-2005 23:38:

quote:
Originally posted by St_Andrew
i think its funny, cause in swedish (and danish to i think?) a "danish" is called "wienerbr�d" which pretty much means "bread from Vienna"... really confusing!!!

If you had read the link I gave, you would know the answer to the question. And even have read a little about how those crazy Austrians are taking credit for the invention.
In Denmark we also have something called a French bread, and you can't get those in France. Foodnames are weird.


Posted by St_Andrew on May-21-2005 00:07:

quote:
Originally posted by trancaholic
If you had read the link I gave, you would know the answer to the question. And even have read a little about how those crazy Austrians are taking credit for the invention.
In Denmark we also have something called a French bread, and you can't get those in France. Foodnames are weird.


Oh i didnt bother to read it, simply because i thought it was only a reference to your claim that danishes are a speciality of denmark. The article doesnt say that danishes are from denmark tho, it only says that danishes is a danish speciality, which is true. You have lots of them there, compared to for example Sweden

well, at least in one way danishes are better than swedes

Edit:

Found a "complete" history of the danish:
http://www.copenhagenbakery.co.nz/d....nz/history.htm

(what the hell im i researching this a friday night for?! )


Posted by trancaholic on May-21-2005 00:43:

quote:
Originally posted by St_Andrew
well, at least in one way danishes are better than swedes

You mean the ability to follow a link and read it rather than posting something redundant? Yeah, I guess we're pretty adept at that in Denmark.
Don't feel bad about screwing up, though. It can be a little tricky, but with perseverance and some luck, you might get it right some day.


Posted by h0tsweetbabyd0l on May-21-2005 09:28:

quote:
Originally posted by jdat
Marie wanna move overseas with me

We could go to Switzerland they got good jobs and it's an awesome country to live in


aww damn john i wish ....
made me think about when we asked one of our teacher what he would do after he finish his thesis he said ANPE (the french state employment agency ) the rate of unemployment in france is high 10 % or more ....not encouraging for us students.....and furthermore there are already too many lawyers in this country
let's go john lol


Posted by St_Andrew on May-25-2005 22:56:

So i just heard that france wont have a second refferrendum... or at least so they said


Posted by smokeape on May-26-2005 00:44:

France? I've been campaigning for years to move the UN there. Hombase the world's most ineffective organization in the world's most cowardly society.




[[[smoke]]]


Posted by zig on May-26-2005 00:49:

/\/\/\/\.......and to add insult to injury for Americans, the French called it correct about Iraq.........its a disaster


Posted by George Smiley on May-26-2005 00:57:

quote:
Originally posted by smokeape
France? I've been campaigning for years to move the UN there. Hombase the world's most ineffective organization in the world's most cowardly society.




[[[smoke]]]

I'm actually taking bets right now on when Smokeape will either post something sensible in the PDD or something that doesn't make him look like a complete idiotic cnut

Tomorrow - 1,000,000/1
This week - 10,000/1
This year - 1,000/1
This milienium - 100/1
Never - 10000000000000/1 (I cant lose!!)


Posted by Aquarian on May-26-2005 03:39:

I haven't read all the posts, but this part bothered me:

quote:
and its CHIPS FFS not fries, thats what gay french and yanks eat ITS CHIPS


It's still being debated wether fries were invented in belgium or france, but regardless, in both countries they are called frites (pommes frites, patates frites, or other variations) - which directly translates as fries.

As for chips, they were invented in New York - Making the American name the official one.

You lose


Posted by Belgian Bonzai on May-26-2005 05:42:

quote:
Originally posted by Aquarian
I haven't read all the posts, but this part bothered me:

"and its CHIPS FFS not fries, thats what gay french and yanks eat ITS CHIPS"

It's still being debated wether fries were invented in belgium or france, but regardless, in both countries they are called frites (pommes frites, patates frites, or other variations) - which directly translates as fries.

As for chips, they were invented in New York - Making the American name the official one.

You lose

Then let me clear that up for you, it was invented around Li�ge, Belgium by some guy called 'Fritz'.
At least that's what I heard, & it came from a professor (granted, a Belgian Professor)


Posted by Dervish on May-26-2005 06:23:

quote:
Originally posted by Aquarian
I haven't read all the posts, but this part bothered me:



It's still being debated wether fries were invented in belgium or france, but regardless, in both countries they are called frites (pommes frites, patates frites, or other variations) - which directly translates as fries.

As for chips, they were invented in New York - Making the American name the official one.

You lose


Wrong, British chips (you call em chips, and our chips way pre-date our invention of crisps) pre-date the "invention" of chips by Crum and his "invention" already existed here (funnily enough the yank site which told me that still says he invented it... denial lovely thing) ......

quote:
Where Was the Potato Chip Invented? - It is important to keep in mind that the idea of frying potatoes was a normal part of American cooking by the middle 1850s when the potato chip first appears. The "History of the French Fry" [http://www.select-ware.com/fries/docs/history.html ] credits Thomas Jefferson with bringing the idea from France in the "late 1700s." From the descriptions of what George Crum did with the sliced potatoes, they must have been sliced across the narrow axis of the potato and fried. They were also eaten with a fork at that time. So it is certain that restaurants all over the country were serving fried potatoes but only at the Moon Lake Lodge in Saratoga Springs, NY, did a chef slice them thin enough that they became something different.

When you consider how simple the idea of a potato chip is, the a possibility of independent invention arises. There is good evidence that something very much like a potato chip was common enough in England to be included in a cookbook. In 1854 in Soyer's Shilling Cookery, was a recipe for fried potatoes that required them to be cut very thin, fried in about two inches of fat and manipulated with a skimmer to keep them from sticking together (in Walton 1992, 24)
chip meaning the yank term, what we call crisps

>LINK<

You lose!

And in conclusion if you've every eaten crisps (chips for the yanks) you've eaten British food.


Posted by Dervish on May-26-2005 06:31:

quote:
The latest poll puts the no vote in France on 54%, and in the Netherlands - which votes three days later - on 57%.


Not looking too hot is it?


Posted by Belgian Bonzai on May-26-2005 06:36:

Just did a little scan of the definition and goals of the union. Seeing many things I like. I'm a socialist, so almost per definition I think the text is too much to the right.
One of our parliament guys did the search: the full text has about 20 times 'Competion' in it, but about 80 times 'Social'. So tat sounds good.
I think I'd go for it if I were French; can't say for sure.
But if you guys can force the text a tiny little bit to the left, I'd be grateful. I see political chaos happen sooner then that though.


Posted by DrUg_Tit0 on May-26-2005 11:00:

I'm just wondering, are those chips in fish and chips real chips or just fries? Or does it vary?

Oh, and here we call fries pomfri or pomfrit..derrived from pommes frittes...


Posted by Dervish on May-26-2005 11:22:

quote:
Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0
I'm just wondering, are those chips in fish and chips real chips or just fries? Or does it vary?

Oh, and here we call fries pomfri or pomfrit..derrived from pommes frittes...




They are UK chips (as in not crisps) always, never fries.

You only get that shit in burger king and so on, though they taste ok with that they wouldn't go with fish and are genrally not to the same standard.


Posted by St_Andrew on May-26-2005 15:01:

quote:
Originally posted by Dervish
Not looking too hot is it?


no its not, what will happen now?!

we need a new constitution, and really if not even france will approve we will never get one approved (by refferendums) by all countries, it just wont work, ppl are to egoestic and cant see to the best for whole europe.

im losing hope


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