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Originally posted by Mr. Pink so i was right suckaazzzzzzz i just didnt use the word repent.

You were kind of right... repenting is more then saying I'm sorry, which is what you suggested was all that was needed to have your sins forgiven. Like I said, you must atone for your sins, I'm sorry does not equal atonement....

This is simple. The religious people have the same rights as the non-religious of voicing their beliefs. They both do no harm with that. Some people actually manage to walk away when this voicing begins. It�s not that hard.

Believing that you believe in a higher power is the same as believing that you don�t believe in it, whatever that �higher power� happens to be or not be. What is absurd, don�t quote me on any of this, is the fact that both sides defend something that they�re not completely informed about. And that will never change.

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Originally posted by Mr. Pink i like C. check this out. if more than two religions state you go to hell if you do not believe in their faith.........everyone on planet earth from past, present and future is and will go to hell. guys we're all fuked

Not if the two religions you speak of are just different interpretations of the same god.
Then we all go to heaven, even you, if we have to drag you there kicking and screaming

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard One thing I love about The Revelation of John that no one ever picks up on (especially the born agains) is the verse that states "the beast shall be cast into the deepest pit, the gate locked and chained, and all the souls set free." This is talking about the end of the war between heaven and hell.... essentially what it says is that everyone gets out of hell eventually. I like to throw that at the born agains when they are doing their street missions, it confuses the hell out of them (pardon the pun).

I don't think "hell" exists yet. If you read Revelation it indicates that Satan and his minions will be cast into the pit, at the end of the war. I probably need to look into the scripture to quote it, but I'm not sure that the context supports your theory. I might be wrong though.

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Originally posted by Slylee my f'n mother..i swear. ok she just found out that my uncle's wife is an athiest and she's freaking out because my little cousin (he's like 3) isn't going to have "God" in his life and she just went on and on about how it's "WRONG" and "he needs to be brought up with some sort of belief system BLA BLA BLA BLA" which, i'm not saying i disagree with, but it's NOT HER KID, it's her nephew, and it's my UNCLE'S job to try to work something out with HIS WIFE and HIS SON... i mean am i right or am i right? god, she fucking thinks everyone in the world has to see things her way or they're wrong.

Well I beleive its everyone individual choice on what religion to be a part of if they want to be in one. My son isnt baptised into anything because once he becomes old enough to understand I would like him to choose his own religion without influence from me or his father. I dont think my son absolutely has to share the same religion as me. Even if I do influence him as a child he can still grow up and change his mind. All I can do is educate him on what religions are out there and available to him and try to guide him to live a good life using the morals I beleive in and religion doesnt necesarily have to be involved.

After going through 2 religions I was never really satisfied with any information and all the speculation and lack of facts just turned me off. I dont really practice anything. I beleive there is a higher power (ie:god) out there but I think learning about this higher power should be within yourself.

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 well since this thread is far removed from what Jamie's intentions were id like to add...

Lol all her threads get raped at the moment
But its all good
The COR is actually quite interesting right now

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Originally posted by Mr. Pink i like C. check this out. if more than two religions state you go to hell if you do not believe in their faith.........everyone on planet earth from past, present and future is and will go to hell. guys we're all fuked

Only the Abrahamic religions believe that souls can go to hell and all three of them recognize that faith in any of the Abrahamic religions is valid.

If you're Hindu or a member of any of it's off shoots there is no hell, only reincarnation. At the end of your Karmic journey you join god (Brahman) and become part of him.

religion is NOT the cause of every war...


it's about nations/countries, etc... trying to covet what they think was rightfully theirs...about power, about politics, land...etc.....


"what can this country do for me" that sort of mentality...not religoin.

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Originally posted by NiteMer I don't think "hell" exists yet. If you read Revelation it indicates that Satan and his minions will be cast into the pit, at the end of the war. I probably need to look into the scripture to quote it, but I'm not sure that the context supports your theory. I might be wrong though.

I clearly recall that all the human souls are freed. I do not think that minions refers to us, more likely the minions are the angels that sided with Lucifer.

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Originally posted by Slylee religion is NOT the cause of every war... it's about nations/countries, etc... trying to covet what they think was rightfully theirs...about power, about politics, land...etc.....

your a page late

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Originally posted by Slylee my f'n mother..i swear. ok she just found out that my uncle's wife is an athiest and she's freaking out because my little cousin (he's like 3) isn't going to have "God" in his life and she just went on and on about how it's "WRONG" and "he needs to be brought up with some sort of belief system BLA BLA BLA BLA" which, i'm not saying i disagree with, but it's NOT HER KID, it's her nephew, and it's my UNCLE'S job to try to work something out with HIS WIFE and HIS SON... i mean am i right or am i right? god, she fucking thinks everyone in the world has to see things her way or they're wrong.

eeww.. i'd be pissed off too, for a lot of reason, first its not your son who are you to act like your in a position to educate the boy..

secundo its all about live and let live, its okay to believe whatever you want to believe, but what I cant respect are those ppl who try and make everybody else think the same way.. and trying to brainwash a 3 year old is just plain wrong..

Fuck people like that are so sad..

sorry if I'm off-topic didnt read the whole thread

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 your a page late

i can't keep up with this damn thread...lol



so i guess that means you're a +1? or i guess I'm the +1

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Originally posted by Slylee i can't keep up with this damn thread...lol so i guess that means you're a +1? or i guess I'm the +1

+1 = gay

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard I clearly recall that all the human souls are freed. I do not think that minions refers to us, more likely the minions are the angels that sided with Lucifer.

I agree with that, but I have to re-read to infer on people's existence in the pit, or lack thereof. I read it a few months ago, but I'm back to the top now, so I'd have to jump back there. Maybe I will, for fun, tonight.

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 +1 = gay

gay= GOING TO HELL!














anyway, i just spoke to my pops about it, and he agress 100%...he said it's not her place and she is also taking a risk of pissing off my uncle's wife to the point where she wont want my mom around my little cousin..


i'm going to calmly talk to my mom about it tonight, i'm gonna go to her place and sit her down and just try to explain things to her.





man i wish i could type all the shit my dad told me just now about wars and religion but i forgot what it was word for word...my dad is a brilliant man i will say that much, i totally agree with his viewpoint...most of you would too..


anyway he explained to me about history of war..it's definitely not about religion and i'm with him all the way...trust me, my dad has probably read every single history/war book known to man kind, not to mention, he's been in a few himself.

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Originally posted by Slylee gay= GOING TO HELL! .....

+1 = going to hell

Did you ever give him my number?

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Originally posted by Slylee anyway he explained to me about history of war..it's definitely not about religion and i'm with him all the way...trust me, my dad has probably read every single history/war book known to man kind, not to mention, he's been in a few himself.

Theres been wars for lots of different reasons...but a great many of them have their roots in religous disputes. You can't deny that wars like the crusades were not because of religious reasons. How people justify war and killing others "in the name of their god" is beyond me but we have some fucked up people in our fucked up world.

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Originally posted by tranceDJ Theres been wars for lots of different reasons...but a great many of them have their roots in religous disputes. You can't deny that wars like the crusades were not because of religious reasons. How people justify war and killing others "in the name of their god" is beyond me but we have some fucked up people in our fucked up world.

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The Crusades were Christian military expeditions undertaken between the 11th and the 14th century to recapture the Holy Land from the Muslims. The word crusade, which is derived from the Latin crux ("cross"), is a reference to the biblical injunction that Christians carry their cross (Matt. 10:38). Crusaders wore a red cloth cross sewn on their tunics to indicate that they had assumed the cross and were soldiers of Christ.

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Originally posted by tranceDJ Theres been wars for lots of different reasons...but a great many of them have their roots in religous disputes. You can't deny that wars like the crusades were not because of religious reasons. How people justify war and killing others "in the name of their god" is beyond me but we have some fucked up people in our fucked up world.

This argument is fallible. The crusades were done "in the name of God", as said by humans. However, you won't find evidence in the bible that supports genocide or wiping out non-believers.

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Originally posted by Clovis86 Fuck that...all I believe in is drugs, music and sex.

gonna make a sig for that

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 The Crusades were Christian military expeditions undertaken between the 11th and the 14th century to recapture the Holy Land from the Muslims. The word crusade, which is derived from the Latin crux ("cross"), is a reference to the biblical injunction that Christians carry their cross (Matt. 10:38). Crusaders wore a red cloth cross sewn on their tunics to indicate that they had assumed the cross and were soldiers of Christ.

Dude, one sentence in that whole paragraph pertains to "land", the rest is about religion (i.e. "soldiers of christ")...I didn't say religion was the only reason for the crusades, but it is the main one. Even the land they were trying to "recapture" is referred to as "the holy land."

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Originally posted by tranceDJ Dude, one sentence in that whole paragraph pertains to "land", the rest is about religion (i.e. "soldiers of christ")...I didn't say religion was the only reason for the crusades, but it is the main one. Even the land they were trying to "recapture" is referred to as "the holy land."

the damn point is to get more LAND, LAND LAND LAND... what do they profit from? land

it has nothing to do with anything else. hey look over there, we dont own it lets take it.

vs

hrm this here in the bible says we must go fight them, even though we dont really want to. damn it.

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Originally posted by NiteMer This argument is fallible. The crusades were done "in the name of God", as said by humans. However, you won't find evidence in the bible that supports genocide or wiping out non-believers.

You will find though that the bible suggests that those who do not accept Jesus as the son of God, blah blah blah will not be saved and will not reach Heaven.

And although the bible doesn't suggest genocide, wiping out non-believers you will see in history such things as the inquisition where non-christains were tracked down and killed.

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Originally posted by tranceDJ Dude, one sentence in that whole paragraph pertains to "land", the rest is about religion (i.e. "soldiers of christ")...I didn't say religion was the only reason for the crusades, but it is the main one. Even the land they were trying to "recapture" is referred to as "the holy land."

You are right, religion may have influenced the crusades, but God did not. I don't consider myself religious. Religious people go to Church and do things for tradition sake. I believe that I have a relationship with God, based on my faith in him. Religion, as a bureaucracy, has caused a lot of problems (indulgences, the crusades, and many religious wars), but that can't be blamed on God, or the bible. Those things cannot be justified based on scripture, and, therefore, does not represent God's will.

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