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Posted by Dave Clarke on Sep-04-2005 17:09:

nice photo of his ableton screen in there. it looks busier than sasha's, not that thats saying much though


Posted by DJ Mikey Mike on Sep-04-2005 17:42:

The look on my face in that second picture tell's you everything you need to know about O'Callaghan's set.

I got a look at his Ableton screen too, and I could only see 2 channels on it. I am not sure how much use he makes of it but yea from that picture it does look like more is going on than what Sasha does with it. I did keep hearing various samples all night though. In particular I swear I kept hearing the melody of Angello/Ingrosso - Yeah in various places..


Posted by Dave Clarke on Sep-04-2005 17:44:

yeh him and sasha both seem to use it for equally pointless things.


Posted by dj_helen_k on Sep-04-2005 18:31:

cool pics...

re: ableton. was pvd using ableton primarily..or was he using decks as well?


Posted by sykadelik on Sep-04-2005 18:41:

quote:
Originally posted by dj_helen_k
cool pics...

re: ableton. was pvd using ableton primarily..or was he using decks as well?


Just Ableton and a mixer, he didn't touch the vinyl/cd decks once.

I'm not sure what to think of this really. Not using ableton myself I don't know how much effort is required to mix in a software package like that.


Posted by dj_helen_k on Sep-04-2005 19:03:

sounds very interesting....

he seems to be using various tools for mixing these days, like Final Scratch, then moving on to Serato Scratch etc.....

i have seen ableton in use, and i must say its an awesome tool for on the fly mixing.....so many things you can do with it that you cant do with cd's or 12's....


Posted by DJ Mikey Mike on Sep-04-2005 19:08:

quote:
Originally posted by dj_helen_k
so many things you can do with it that you cant do with cd's or 12's....


I'm not to up on the whole Abelton thing really, so I am going to ask.... like what exactly?


Posted by dj_mdma on Sep-04-2005 19:13:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike
I'm not to up on the whole Abelton thing really, so I am going to ask.... like what exactly?


you can do stuff like "remix" tunes on the fly, add samples, play around with soundforms and synths and shit.

binkun has produced a pretty sweet electro set that shows off a lot of what ableton can do


Posted by dj_helen_k on Sep-04-2005 19:17:

as dj_mdma said.....tis very cool indeed...


p.s lam - the gallery in october it is then for pvd!


Posted by dj_mdma on Sep-04-2005 19:18:

quote:
Originally posted by dj_helen_k
as dj_mdma said.....tis very cool indeed...


p.s lam - the gallery in october it is then for pvd!


thats right babe and of course i'm going, but we have to meet up for lunch or something, as we haven't done that in ages...all we do is bump into each other at the club!


Posted by Ian on Sep-04-2005 19:20:

quote:
Originally posted by dj_mdma
you can do stuff like "remix" tunes on the fly, add samples, play around with soundforms and synths and shit.

binkun has produced a pretty sweet electro set that shows off a lot of what ableton can do


the thing is, is it being used to that potential by trance DJs or would they be better off leaving it for DJs who sample a lot (eg halliwell or some techno jocks) I don't see much need in the traditional trance sense for them to be on abelton, and you wonder if he actually mixed some of it before he even got there, which reeks of thumbs down


Posted by Dave Clarke on Sep-04-2005 19:20:

yeh mixing two tracks together, you cant do that with vinyl or cd's there is no way pvd uses ableton for anything other than this, so there is no point.


Posted by Ian on Sep-04-2005 19:23:

seems to be more out of convenience which is pretty gash.


Posted by Guinness Joe on Sep-04-2005 19:26:

quote:

On another note, that MC prick should be shot. MC's have no place in this type of music. If I was Passion management I'd tell him to fuck off to a club playing Jungle or Happy Hardcore or something. What effects my blood pressure the most was the fact that this twat was speaking all over the breakdowns of some fairly thumping tracks.


By 'MC Prick' I assume you are referring to Andy Bagguley as thats who was doing it

I had a really good night didn't bother with O'Callaghan went and listened to whoever was playing in the Green room and had a couple of beers moved into the main room for Askew who while decent in places bored me to tears in others - as predicted though I guess thats more to do with the fact he had to warm up for PvD rather than follow on from him!!

Really enjoyed PvD's set, he even looked like he was enjoying himself as well Ok he played some fairly weak tunes but it was good to hear Krzysztof Chochlow - Release played out.
Was it just me or did he start to bring in Emjay - Make Some Noise half way through 'Nothing but You' then change his mind and bring 'NBY' back in

To give Bagguley his dues he did play some quality tunes while I was still in there but the fact there were only about 25 people left in there and most of them were over the age of 40 it didn't make for a great atmosphere!!

What is it with Passion - on the few occassions I have been there it has never ceased to amaze me the general state of the clientele - looks like you have just walked into the cantina scene from Star Wars


Posted by sykadelik on Sep-04-2005 19:26:

quote:
Originally posted by Dave Clarke
yeh mixing two tracks together, you cant do that with vinyl or cd's there is no way pvd uses ableton for anything other than this, so there is no point.


All he appeared to be doing was bumming the delay/reverb effects and sampling the odd vocal over the top of some tracks. I'm no super star DJ, but I can do this to good effect with my cdj/1210s and djm600 without the need for Ableton.


Posted by Dave Clarke on Sep-04-2005 19:26:

exactly, but hes a superstar dj so who gives a fuck. lets go around saying what an amazing tool ableton is. so much stuff you cant do with records/cd's. fuck yeah


Posted by dj_helen_k on Sep-04-2005 19:27:

i think it would be great really....at least it would make the set more interesting....you could change tracks completely (like playing a synth loop over the track) to change it and so on. ... i think armin may use ableton on asot? ican someone confirm? cause some of the mix transitions are so seamless..


Posted by Dave Clarke on Sep-04-2005 19:29:

who cares. i doubt many people from the UK forum actually listen to ASOT. ableton might help him with his mixing, but it cant make his tracks sound anything other than shite.


Posted by DJ Mikey Mike on Sep-04-2005 19:31:

quote:
Originally posted by Guinness Joe

Was it just me or did he start to bring in Emjay - Make Some Noise half way through 'Nothing but You' then change his mind and bring 'NBY' back in



Yes! I couldn't quite put my finger on what the fuck was going on with that until you just said it now.


Posted by sykadelik on Sep-04-2005 19:33:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike
Yes! I couldn't quite put my finger on what the fuck was going on with that until you just said it now.


I think this was the whole Ableton thing in that he was trying to give NBY a breaks type layer.


Posted by dj_mdma on Sep-04-2005 19:43:

using ableton properly could transform trance sets into something quite different to the norm.

however, it seems that that Ableton is becoming somewhat of a bandwagon, and PvD has jumped onto it. and he hasn't done much with it apart from what appears to be using it a psudo-form of traktor. that is gash. At least G&D use/used it to good effect when i've watched them.

And you miss the initial point that helen was making dave, which was that you can do lots of stuff with ableton that you can't do with your traditional mixing setup. at no point did she refer that it was an amazing tool that PvD was making full use of


Posted by Dave Clarke on Sep-04-2005 19:44:

Yes lots of use of the word 'could' on this topic. It could do this and it could do that. However in the hands of a trance dj it never will really will it?


Posted by dj_mdma on Sep-04-2005 19:47:

considering the general talent of trance DJ's doesn't really progress past basic mixing skills like beatmatching and correct phrasing, i would have to agree with you there


Posted by dj_helen_k on Sep-04-2005 19:50:

hehehehe @ lam


Posted by dj_mdma on Sep-04-2005 19:51:

quote:
Originally posted by dj_helen_k
hehehehe @ lam


get on msn!


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