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A famous quote went something like... 'being privy to exclusive material is motive enough for one to go out and spread it'. You can say what you want when you're not in the position, but most people get an ego trip off being the guy with the latest tracks and immediately rush off the share it with others. Ultimately the fault lies upon the artist or whoever in the label is naive enough to entrust the material outside the studio walls.
And I do think that an awful lot of these rippers can be cut off by advanced digital watermarking of tracks.
Let me point out 2 FACTS real quick.
Fact#1-there are way too many sites, programs, P2P, seeders, leechers, out there to stop the movement.
Fact#2-The Majority of the EDM community don't want to spend too much money on all the releases out there (vinyls are not cheap)
This debate has been going on for a long time. Yet the fact is its wrong to leak, share and fuck over the producer/label and all the people who worked so hard to get it released. The only way I could see coming to a full stop if the government stepped in and shut the whole net down and we all know that's not going to happen.
More labels should do paid digital downloads. �1.60 equivalent from beatport is perfectly reasonable for a track. All labels should provide tracks for paid download.
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| Originally posted by THE_Chris More labels should do paid digital downloads. �1.60 equivalent from beatport is perfectly reasonable for a track. All labels should provide tracks for paid download. |
I know about the law in Finland, its stupid really, another example of common sense going out the window 
I think a lot of old stuff is being made available, but some record companies need a kick up the arse when it comes to this (read: Vandit etc 
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Originally posted by Blue.  oh, so that's why I watched it 2 weeks before it was released. thanks tips. PS: turn your sarcasm detector back on asshat, if the smiley didn't give away the sarcasm or it did and you still felt like putting in your two cents then you're an idiot. |
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| Originally posted by THE_Chris I know about the law in Finland, its stupid really, another example of common sense going out the window I think a lot of old stuff is being made available, but some record companies need a kick up the arse when it comes to this (read: Vandit etc ) |
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| Originally posted by DRM so u watched a dvd screener copy of lotr before it came out in the cinema? thats utter bullshit... |
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| Originally posted by Blue. Yep, among other movies. A move called Mindhunters was on the net a YEAR before it was put into theatres and I'm not talking a shitty cam rip, I'm talking full quality 4.2 GIG DVD rips were on the net. The movie was still released. Family Guy movie leaked two months early, still released. I could go on but I'm sure it's all "utter bullshit". |
. Family guy movie too was leaked a couple of months early.
A lot of those things do get ripped before hitting cinemas. I wouldnt be surprised if someone at a cinema film printing company ripped it and put it up
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| Originally posted by THE_Chris A lot of those things do get ripped before hitting cinemas. I wouldnt be surprised if someone at a cinema film printing company ripped it and put it up |
man i don't even know how to illegally dl shit anymore. i just listen to samples online and buy from there. and shit...people talking about getting bootleg software? someone pm me how to get a bootleg copy of ableton 
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| Originally posted by DRM mindhunters was on the net bout 7-8 months early admittedly, tho not a year . Family guy movie too was leaked a couple of months early. But lotr was never released early or at very least wasnt leaked early generally on the net. if u did have a dvd screener months before it hit the cinema then u are either in a release group and managed to get hold of some internal release or you are talking utter bullshit |
As an avid downloader from p2p, I have the following to say:
Yes, I download tracks. I do share as well.
My view is the same as some others that have been expressed. Even if I didn't share, other downloaders would find another person who has the files they're looking for.
However, if I'm going to play the track live, I buy the digital download, or ask for a copy from the producer.
I use downloading as a way to find new artists or to find new tunes a producer has out/coming out that I didn't know about.
I've found sooo many new artists and types of music by branching out thru p2p searches.
I get promos too. I respect the producer's work and thought they took in sending it to me, and keep it in a seperate unshared folder.
On another note, my 200GB HDD recently crashed so there goes all my mp3s I've been receiving since 2003 (including ALL of my promos). Pissed isn't even a word to describe how i feel about this.
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| On another note, my 200GB HDD recently crashed so there goes all my mp3s I've been receiving since 2003 (including ALL of my promos). Pissed isn't even a word to describe how i feel about this. |
Im probably gonna send it out to a data recovery center. I got an average of $1400 for a full data recovery. But, some companies offer a listing of recoverable files. I think I'll just get that, tell them to forget about it, and re-d/l the files
Problem will be tracking down all the promo/rare tracks again
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| Originally posted by Blue. It wasn't months in advance, it was about 4 weeks or so in advance. It wasn't 7-8 months for Mindhunters though. It was originaly out in May I believe and it was on the net for a good year before that, 10 or 11 months at least. |
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| Originally posted by DRM im bored of arguing with you now, you obviously know nothing about this. Just check that site i posted, it lists all movie releases on the net and proves that you are wrong, lotr came out in the cinema in december 2001 and the first dvd screener rip of it came out on 2nd February 2002. |
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| Originally posted by Blue. It proves nothing because no site can vouch for absolutely everything on the net. Thanks for coming out, if you're bored then just shut up. |
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| Originally posted by DRM well looking at ur custom status maybe you should take some of your own advice plus you're still wrong, you just cant seem to accept it |
To have one digital store that links all the of the existing ones together would be somewhat difficult based on all the proprietory systems each site uses. Coding a site to compensate for all of these would be a logistical nightmare, but not entirely impossible if attempted on a smaller scale.
It's safe to say the music industry accepts that most material will end up on P2P after it's come out as a retail release. It's the growing amount of pre-release and unsigned material that leaks out into the public domain that is what causes the biggest fuss.
Yes, watermarking is one solution, but to employ on a mass level takes time and effort far beyond the remit and IT knowledge of most producers and record labels. I know of someone who was developing a tracking system / database for the purpose of recording algorhythm keys that store unique identifiers (in this case a watermark), and logged it against a used ID (lets say for example Paul Oakenfold). Each person given a copy would have a different ID and key and when it was discovered that ID 001's copy is the one circulating, that information would be passed to a central database which collates information from many producers and labels. This list would then be cross referenced and those producers/DJs/labels whos name re-occurs would be added to a 'blacklist' which would then be distributed to the rest of the community. Somewhat shock and awe tactics really, but a feasible idea if it can be completed and proven to work.
Why do I say producers/labels/DJs? The fact of the matter is that you always have some who treat their material like loose women, pimping them to anyone they feel should have a copy. Thats the first mistake. Then you have DJs who pass on material to their buddies, and DJs who will do anything to have the the latest hot remixes just to be cool. Without naming names (but lets just say if you retread the thread you'll probably find the culprit), I know of a DJ who begged and begged a label for a copy of a remix and they refused to give it him on several occasions, yet he still went ahead and obtained it elsewhere, and not only featured it on his radio show but had the balls to chart it too. Just imagine Tranceaddicts, if this is the behaviour of one of your gods and all you trance artists worship him and feel having him to play one of your tracks is an achievement, does the bonus of being bent over and abused anally by the way he treats people's music make you feel good. Answers on a postcard please...
Well IMO it doesnt need to be that complicated.
Say I made a track. I wanna send out 20 copies of this track as promos. All I have to do is put a cymbal clash or an extra effect somewhere in the track, different to each promo. It wouldnt take more then an hour or two to do.
Then you send them out to everyone you want. If any of them get leaked, I download that and find the extra effect. Then I look at my list of promos and see immediatly who leaked it. If the list says "Armada office " or something like that, they get a stinky letter about it. If its a person, and not a label, they get a stinky letter and never get anymore promos.
I really cant comprehend why more people dont do this. It only takes an hour to do, and if a lot of people did it, the prerelease material leaked would be cut fairly quickly. If Armada say got 5 letters from different people saying that stuff had been leaked, theyre gonna get suspisious and check the people working there.
Its not gonna solve the problem, but it'll cut down on it a lot. To hell with the leaking after release, thats gonna happen no matter what.
The method I documented isnt complicated, its much easier than making 20 independent versin of a track with varying effects and samples at least, and is already being trialled by a handful of labels and artists.
I still cant understand what the leaking ppl thinks, do they feel good with themself what they do ? 
Do they need the comment from ppl at forums/p2p were he spreads that his "the man" "the king" etc, to feel good with himself, does his life get better ? do he think etc when he sees a dude with a ferrari, wow cool guy that got a car like that but I still were the first the shared armins newest tune "last niggah on earth starring myself as me" , meh this kind of ppl make me sick
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