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Posted by trancaholic on Aug-13-2005 14:08:

^^^^ Seeing that you've grown all serious on us, I think it's fair to ask if there has been a real incident where some user has complained about the signature of someone else, or if this is a preemptive attack?

Also, why are there rules that forbid nudity and political substance in signatures, when there's tons of posts discussing both sexual and political subjects? Is it somehow expected that people are mature enough to ignore posts that offend them, but that they cannot do the same with sigs?


Posted by Lira on Aug-13-2005 16:21:

Heh, I didn't expect this thread to get this serious

trancaholic: simply because it would spill the sexual and political comments out of the threads they were to be confined. They're being censored for the same reason why you now have ******* whenever you curse - sponsors and whatnot.

If you really want my opinion, sigs are pointless anyway.


Posted by BadBadNeil on Aug-13-2005 17:41:

quote:
Originally posted by trancaholic
^^^^ Seeing that you've grown all serious on us, I think it's fair to ask if there has been a real incident where some user has complained about the signature of someone else, or if this is a preemptive attack?


Yeah I wanna know who complained too. I have a few spare pitchforks and torches laying around, we can get together and break their kneecaps, tee-hee-hee


quote:
Originally posted by Lira
Heh, I didn't expect this thread to get this serious

trancaholic: simply because it would spill the sexual and political comments out of the threads they were to be confined. They're being censored for the same reason why you now have ******* whenever you curse - sponsors and whatnot.

If you really want my opinion, sigs are pointless anyway.


Of course sigs are pointless, but so are a lot of things including avatars, off topic web forums, male nipples, and mustaches to name a few but they all exist.

On the other side of the ol' coin TA is more lenient than most forums I visit. Many that I go to allow no sexual content whatsoever, no political talk, no avatars or sigs, etc. I just find it funny that people are so offended by a sig.


Posted by Lira on Aug-13-2005 17:56:

quote:
Originally posted by BadBadNeil
Of course sigs are pointless, but so are a lot of things including avatars, off topic web forums, male nipples, and mustaches to name a few but they all exist.

Avatars are good for identifying users far from the posts, I reckon

As for who get offended with sig, well, I remember the time I had some "anti-elitism" stuff in my sig... there were even threads about it, not to mention occasional hijacking in some threads I posted in.


Posted by Lebezniatnikov on Aug-13-2005 19:55:

Frankly I think those little flags on the left are political. Aren't they the symbol of patriotism, and isn't patriotism emblematic of politics?


Posted by DrUg_Tit0 on Aug-13-2005 20:26:

quote:
Originally posted by Wicked Neo


If i see hitler in anyones sig or avatar then i will suspend thier account.

If you don't like the few rules that TA has, then you can always leave and go post on another forum.

TA's rules are there so that this site can be enjoyed by members of differing beliefs, political ideals, religions etc and that those ppl can come to this site and not be offended, yes it may be too politically correct and appear silly but this is a multicultural site and as such anything that may be offensive will be removed.

How you can compare the admin of TA with Hitler is beyond me, Hitler was a small minded racist twat where as TA embraces all cultures and welcomes them to this site in the hope that we ALL benefit from thier input into the site.

In any community, no matter if it is online or in real life, there has to be some element of control, some people will always rebel against that control, it is to be expected, but there are limits that each community will put up with and having Hitler in your sigs is not one that this community will tolerate.


Gee, someone should get a sense of humor...

Anyway, regardless of the fact you pointed out that we can't really change the TA rules, I think we still have a right to discuss amongst us whether we think those rules are reasonable or not, especially since in this thread it is discussed in a pretty jovial manner. Basically, I don't see the point in having every political or religious connotation prohibited from appearing in signatures, because a political or religious connotation is not necessarily an offensive one. Banning every such symbol or parole does not make TA multicultural, it makes it acultural. Regardless of the fact that I often disagree with people's political views, there is no rational reason why I should be offended by occrider's propaganda minister or Lira's former Bible quote. Basically, there's a difference between a signature saying "I love Israel" and a signature saying "All non-Israeli countries must be destroyed and burned down". As for the hypothetical picture of Hitler in a sig, Hitler's appearance is not always a glorification of nazism. There are plenty of pictures in which Hitler appears that are direct and obvious criticizm of him and the Nazi regime.

PS. Didn't occrider once have a sig with Hitler and Mr Opus' tin foil hat in it?


Posted by Yoepus on Aug-13-2005 20:28:

I agree with Wicked Neo (though you sure sucked the fun right out of this thread ).

Also, Lira, I am glad to see your signature is now Rule #5 compliant. I would hate to see a mod such as yourself banned (wait what am I saying?!)


Posted by Trancer-X on Aug-15-2005 06:56:

quote:
Originally posted by Lira



quote:
8. I am Baphomet. And Zi�n is my Kingdom, a Kingdom of Freedom and Love. That it's Light reaches the Earth borders and the Universe!

10. Zi�n is the end of the cross, of the star and the middle Moon. Zi�n is the principle of the Kingdom of the Fundamental Light. Zi�n is the Law and the word of Baphomet.



25. Exclaim all together ones, in my honor: OH ZI�N, OH ZI�N, OH ZI�N, OH ZI�N, OH ZI�N, OH ZI�N, OH ZI�N, OH ZI�N, OH ZI�N, OH ZI�N, THE FUTURE EMPIRE OF BAPHOMET, THE TRUE GOD.

http://www.ordotempliorientalis.com...zionenglish.htm


http://www.churchofsatan.com/Pages/BaphometSigil.html


Posted by ogvh5150 on Aug-16-2005 03:57:

For Yoepus and all other dissidents:

Political Sigs: Yea or Nay

Vote or STFU


Posted by St_Andrew on Aug-16-2005 10:43:

quote:
Originally posted by ogvh5150
For Yoepus and all other dissidents:

Political Sigs: Yea or Nay

Vote or STFU


It's closed

But seriously, what pussy sponsour would not sponsour a site because it has political sigs in it


Posted by Arbiter on Aug-16-2005 12:01:

quote:
Originally posted by St_Andrew
It's closed

But seriously, what pussy sponsour would not sponsour a site because it has political sigs in it


The kind of sponsor best represented by a red x.


Posted by George Smiley on Aug-16-2005 12:20:

I didn't even know TA had sponsors?! There's no ads or anything


Posted by St_Andrew on Aug-16-2005 12:26:

quote:
Originally posted by George Smiley
I didn't even know TA had sponsors?! There's no ads or anything


only sometimes it seems. inbetween the profile button and the forum logo.

Soon, when i get rich, i will sponsor TA, at one condition, that that stupid rule is taken away

edit: when i think about it, me and another person on this board actually collected like $300 to this board from the swedish forum in donations. that should give us some powers, no?


Posted by DrUg_Tit0 on Aug-16-2005 14:00:

quote:
Originally posted by St_Andrew
It's closed

But seriously, what pussy sponsour would not sponsour a site because it has political sigs in it


Hmm, considering ogvh said he had something against Yoepus's sig, I wonder if he's the one who's responsible for this whole sig discussion...


Posted by St_Andrew on Aug-16-2005 14:05:

quote:
Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0
Hmm, considering ogvh said he had something against Yoepus's sig, I wonder if he's the one who's responsible for this whole sig discussion...


hmm i dont think so, but it might. we should ask him. then lynch him if it was him, and lynch him anyway if he say it wasnt him, cause really who would admit such thing?! that way we get to lynch someone no matter what


Posted by George Smiley on Aug-16-2005 14:14:

quote:
Originally posted by St_Andrew
hmm i dont think so, but it might. we should ask him. then lynch him if it was him, and lynch him anyway if he say it wasnt him, cause really who would admit such thing?! that way we get to lynch someone no matter what

Yea if anything it'd make us feel better!


Posted by DrUg_Tit0 on Aug-16-2005 15:26:

quote:
Originally posted by St_Andrew
hmm i dont think so, but it might. we should ask him. then lynch him if it was him, and lynch him anyway if he say it wasnt him, cause really who would admit such thing?! that way we get to lynch someone no matter what


Agreed. Now let's get him!!!


Posted by Yoepus on Aug-16-2005 15:40:

quote:
Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0
Agreed. Now let's get him!!!




Mmmm, reminds me of Zionist Roasted Mustard.


Posted by ogvh5150 on Aug-16-2005 20:53:

quote:
Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0
Hmm, considering ogvh said he had something against Yoepus's sig, I wonder if he's the one who's responsible for this whole sig discussion...


Taken out of context. I wrote that I HAD something against his sig but that is behind me now and I had gotten a bit accustomed to it.

I like his brand of Zionist mustard.


Posted by TheNobleEu on Aug-16-2005 21:06:

I smell a conspiracy.

I'm thinking my sig needs a remark about sponsors now...


Posted by ogvh5150 on Aug-16-2005 22:11:

quote:
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http://www.theplanet.com/legal/aup.html

Nothing remotely related to political sigs.

If anything closely related to violations of the Constitution and/or the US Code it would be the banning of political sigs.


In our time political speech and writing are largely the defense of the indefensible.
George Orwell

By placing discretion in the hands of an official to grant or deny a license, such a statute creates a threat of censorship that by its very existence chills free speech.
Harry A. Blackmun

If the freedom of speech is taken away then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter.
George Washington

Without deviation, without exception, without any ifs, buts, or whereases, freedom of speech means that you shall not do something to people either for the views they express, or the words they speak or write.
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Posted by Arbiter on Aug-17-2005 02:25:

quote:
Originally posted by St_Andrew
only sometimes it seems. inbetween the profile button and the forum logo.


Aye. Disable scripting for www.tranceaddict.com in your browser and they won't be able to load.

I've had it that way for ages anyway because I don't like seeing ads.


Posted by occrider on Aug-17-2005 04:20:

Alright, I was bored tonight ... new sig.


Posted by hardcore trancer on Aug-17-2005 05:26:

^^^^^
loooooooooooooooooooool that is awesome man


Posted by occrider on Aug-17-2005 05:44:

quote:
Originally posted by hardcore trancer
^^^^^
loooooooooooooooooooool that is awesome man


Ha, thanks. When it comes to thought provoking signatures, nothing is more acceptable (and non-offensive) than drugs and half-naked chicks on ta . Tolerance ... to new infinities and beyond!!! Or ... at least to the intellectually immature incapable of dealing with reasonable controversey. Gotta give credit to TheNobleEU for the theme.

Not that this is a criticism of Swamper. I simply don't know the facts behind the decision. I would hope there is some reasonalbe justification behind the decision and that's he's treading a warranted (not imaginary) line between a business model and his personal desires. However, if this is a "just to be safe", unprovoked decision than I guess it is a criticism of swamper.


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