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Posted by Toufas on Sep-02-2005 01:03:

quote:
Originally posted by Mike_Foyle
hes not! he's just doing his thing the way he wants to do it, it's the critics who acuse him of selling himself!

you obviously havent read any interviews, or seen any flyiers

Posted by UWM on Sep-02-2005 01:10:

Who the fuck is this guy?!

Posted by Axolotyl on Sep-02-2005 02:16:

quote:
Originally posted by Wasteland
Thanks guys! For agreeing and acknowledging that live5 is nothing new and basically a different version of magix music maker. Whenever we need samples/loops or something similar to enhance a mix to a crowd where 2 ppl out of 10.000 are really hearing it we will know what to use right? Luckily, our no.1 star knows how it works and will continue to drop massive, orgasmic and groundbreaking choons without even bothering to mix them in properly just to ensure that the other 9998 ppl know that a new killer is being dropped.

Personally I dont think fucking up mixes to drop teh choons is enough... the guy needs a couple of airhorns that he fires off whenever a new track is coming in. If anyone can get away with such rediculous fanfare, its him.

But back OT... I dont think Tiesto should use Ableton. He'd probably fuck that up too.. crash the laptop or something while tring to watch porn.

Oh.. and your deluded if you think Ableton is like music maker or whatever shit prog you've used to do a beatmix =) Have a nice day!

Posted by iammesol on Sep-02-2005 02:58:

quote:
Originally posted by Wasteland
Thanks guys! For agreeing and acknowledging that live5 is nothing new and basically a different version of magix music maker.

this is a sentence that could get you banned. I agree with Jake. I can't find a smiley for how retarded this post is...

Posted by Clovis on Sep-02-2005 04:23:

quote:
Originally posted by Toufas
no they are not, but at least they are using it more than sasha, sasha is adding the same boring drum kick in almost all his transitions
i ve seen g&d using ableton for the melody and using cdjs to mix an acapella in....
well i am not saying that sasha sucks or anything like that, but he should stop "selling" himself as a pioneer of dance music etc etc.

Are you sure? I use Live (4/5) and have heard like...every Sasha set out this year, and he has pulled of some really sick transitions and interesting edits with Live...at least in my eyes. He used the same drum loop throughout his essential mix, but in Fundacion he doesnt nor has he in several other live sets...Fundacion is almost a huge collection of track mash-ups. I know for a fact that he is making alot of loops and cuts to acheive the mixes he wants...the G&D Live sets I have heard havn't impressed me much at all, especially considering they often pley their own tracks of which they must have all the individual parts too (i.e. endless accapella possibilities)...

Posted by stefanoc on Sep-02-2005 04:50:

i tried a demo version of ableton. actually, i didnt even try it. i just looked at it and closed it.
i prefer mixing with records, cds, and if i want full control of the music and beats, its possible to do so with the cdj1000 and a few other equipments.

i think a true DJ should spin records or CDs for now, but that will definetely change soon. and let tiesto be the way he is, let him play with records and cds, and if u dont like the way he plays it then just dont listen cz there are so many other djs out there.

but i gotta admit, since tiesto did TIC in LA everyone is obsessed about him. a day before nobody knew wut edm was and now they are playing tiesto songs like theyve been playing for the last 10 years.

Posted by Axolotyl on Sep-02-2005 05:47:

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Originally posted by stefanoc
i tried a demo version of ableton. actually, i didnt even try it. i just looked at it and closed it.
i prefer mixing with records, cds, and if i want full control of the music and beats, its possible to do so with the cdj1000 and a few other equipments.

OK, for everyone else who has opened ableton and thought... wtf is this... where the crossfader?

Its a sequencer m'kaaaay... NOT a beatmixing program like traktor or final scratch or whatever. Comparing it to your decks or cdjs is just fucking pointless. It's not even remotely the same thing. Your better off comparing it to an 8 track wired up to a mixing desk with a sampler and an effects unit if anything.

Fuckin hell, get with the program please!!

Ableton does not equal DJ-ing.

Posted by Clovis on Sep-02-2005 06:48:

Posted by idoru on Sep-02-2005 07:22:

quote:
Originally posted by stefanoc
full control of the music and beats, its possible to do so with the cdj1000 and a few other equipments.

Full control? Well, not only will you need to be very close with the artists whose tunes you play, you'll also need sequencers, samplers, and maybe one of these or similar...

"A few other equipments" is a joke. As previously mentioned...

ABLETON IS A SEQUENCER, NOT A DJ'ING PROGRAM

Posted by Orpheus Is Dead on Sep-02-2005 08:05:

Re: Re: Tiesto should use Ableton...

quote:
Originally posted by Floorfiller
your mom should use ableton...

That.......

was fucking amazing.

(This is the part where I cut and paste this into my sig in a vain attempt to appear a contributing member of the board.)

Posted by Orpheus Is Dead on Sep-02-2005 08:13:

quote:
Originally posted by idoru
Full
ABLETON IS A SEQUENCER, NOT A DJ'ING PROGRAM

A sequencing program.....

With a crossfader, and time stretching algorithms.

With which you can have a sequence of songs play... and cross fade between them, or loop, blend, remix, w/e and hook up midi controllers that emulate the feel of using a mixer.

...not a dj program as well as a sequencer.... not at all

And having a mixer board with 12+ faders is as useful in the djing sense as having a hot mermaid girlfriend, it looks good, but you can't use it. I mean...how do you fuck a mermaid?

Posted by vanditpandit on Sep-03-2005 10:08:

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Originally posted by Orpheus Is Dead

And having a mixer board with 12+ faders is as useful in the djing sense as having a hot mermaid girlfriend, it looks good, but you can't use it. I mean...how do you fuck a mermaid?

ha ha hah ha .... good one dude.

Posted by Mike_Foyle on Sep-03-2005 16:43:

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Originally posted by Orpheus Is Dead
A sequencing program.....

With a crossfader, and time stretching algorithms.

With which you can have a sequence of songs play... and cross fade between them, or loop, blend, remix, w/e and hook up midi controllers that emulate the feel of using a mixer.

...not a dj program as well as a sequencer.... not at all

And having a mixer board with 12+ faders is as useful in the djing sense as having a hot mermaid girlfriend, it looks good, but you can't use it. I mean...how do you fuck a mermaid?

excellent post!

Posted by Clovis on Sep-03-2005 17:40:

Posted by iammesol on Sep-03-2005 19:11:

it amazes me how many Live ignorant people exist. Listen to Clovis and Idoru... for your own sake

Posted by Toufas on Sep-03-2005 19:38:

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Originally posted by Clovis86
Oh but you can use them...to have 12 parts of 12 different tracks going at once

Okay, so that only works if Hawtin is doing it...but it can still be done!

lol i dont think that they know hawtin :P

Posted by iammesol on Sep-03-2005 23:00:

Posted by Clovis on Sep-03-2005 23:47:

quote:
Originally posted by Toufas
lol i dont think that they know hawtin :P

Their loss

Posted by stefanoc on Sep-04-2005 01:28:

u are fuckin idiots.
and i missed to mention one thing that i thought i did. i was gonna say that maybe this program is VERY useful but i just didnt understand it. i didnt close it cz i hated it, i just didnt understand it and i wasnt into that for the moment.
wow, alot of u took it soo offensively like u created the program lol. the reason why i thought this program is a mixer is cz i saw alot of posts saying 'ableton mix' so the first thing that went through my head is that the program is a mixer.
i know wut a sequencer is, but u guys can post another pic of a sequencer if u wanna.

in my original post, by saying i tried the demo and closed it instantly, i didnt mean that i hated it or anything like that, it was just not wut i was looking for at that moment. it looked a bit complicated, i didnt have time to play around with it, and i was lookin for something to produce music with at that moment, maybe something like pro tools.
ever go to the mall and not go to ur favorite clothing store just cz u dont wanna buy clothes that day or just rushing to get something quick from somewhere else?

Posted by Clovis on Sep-04-2005 02:23:

quote:
Originally posted by stefanoc
u are fuckin idiots.
and i missed to mention one thing that i thought i did. i was gonna say that maybe this program is VERY useful but i just didnt understand it. i didnt close it cz i hated it, i just didnt understand it and i wasnt into that for the moment.
wow, alot of u took it soo offensively like u created the program lol. the reason why i thought this program is a mixer is cz i saw alot of posts saying 'ableton mix' so the first thing that went through my head is that the program is a mixer.
i know wut a sequencer is, but u guys can post another pic of a sequencer if u wanna.

in my original post, by saying i tried the demo and closed it instantly, i didnt mean that i hated it or anything like that, it was just not wut i was looking for at that moment. it looked a bit complicated, i didnt have time to play around with it, and i was lookin for something to produce music with at that moment, maybe something like pro tools.
ever go to the mall and not go to ur favorite clothing store just cz u dont wanna buy clothes that day or just rushing to get something quick from somewhere else?

So you admit absolutley no knowledge of how Ableton Live works?

Posted by JakeC on Sep-04-2005 11:49:

quote:
Originally posted by Clovis86
So you admit absolutley no knowledge of how Ableton Live works?

Sounds like he has no knowledge of anything musical.

Posted by iammesol on Sep-04-2005 13:05:

I wasn't bashing you because of how you didn't understand the program Stefanoc, but rather because you said CDJs could do the same work

Posted by stefanoc on Sep-04-2005 18:31:

the reason i thought the cdj is better is cz i thought ableton was a mixer. and i think cdj is one amazing machine, it has all the things i need.

i have no knowledge of ableton.
and ur an idiot if u think just cz i dont have knowledge of ableton, i dont have any about music.

i guess i made myself clear. ill be glad to answer some more of ur comments.

Posted by Clovis on Sep-04-2005 18:34:

quote:
Originally posted by stefanoc
the reason i thought the cdj is better is cz i thought ableton was a mixer. and i think cdj is one amazing machine, it has all the things i need.

i have no knowledge of ableton.
and ur an idiot if u think just cz i dont have knowledge of ableton, i dont have any about music.

i guess i made myself clear. ill be glad to answer some more of ur comments.

Well if you knew how Ableton works you would ditch the CDJ's if you're really looking for "full control" over the music...

Posted by idoru on Sep-04-2005 19:17:

quote:
Originally posted by Clovis86
Well if you knew how Ableton works you would ditch the CDJ's if you're really looking for "full control" over the music...

That's still not really possible with Ableton unless he gets individual pieces of each tune. The most he could use it for would be basic mixing; the only thing that Ableton could provide that CDJs couldn't would be nifty little effects, and the ability to do live mash-ups easier.

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