TranceAddict Forums (www.tranceaddict.com/forums)
- Music Discussion
-- Suddenly I realized the stupidity of long buildups
Pages (12): « 1 2 3 4 [5] 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 »

quote:

Originally posted by Ishkur Call it something else then. I recommend: Schmaltz.

RnB doesnt really have much in the way of blues now does it?

And why should the activities a person does dictate the music they listen to?

Musical nazism at it finest

Actually, there's a terrible amount of blues in modern R&B that....how much blues have you listened to, really?

quote:

Originally posted by Ishkur Actually, there's a terrible amount of blues in modern R&B that....how much blues have you listened to, really?

Not a huge amount I admit, but commercial 'RnB' tends to be hiphop with no swearing and less derogatory terms for women. So it isn;t true RnB in the historical sense, doesn't stop people from calling it RnB.

Was just a an example really.

What trance means nowadays, regardless of what it was, does so to more people now than not, so fight the good fight soldier, get a petition going or something, liberate trance from it's terrible present state, and pick me up some pizza when you get back.

Ishkur: what music do you listen to ?

There is this researcher dude in switzerland who studies trance and talks about trance enducing music on this page:

http://www.trance.edu/music.htm

He seems to agree with ishkur, and has this long set of theories on how to entrance people, alot of those theories seem to be implemented in old trance songs. He also has a group of musicians he likes to train, and he has a pretty interesting book about trances that you can find in lotsa university libraries.

I bet if somebody got in touch with him he could tell us about all sorts of musicians and stuff that follow his trance model. There might be lotsa music coming out that is true trance but we just aren't hearing it becuase it isnt popular at the parties. We are kinda departing from the realm of coonless that is the center of the partying world and venturing into geek territory with real trance though. I'm afraid that even if there were alot of truely hypnotic trance music coming out(and there might very well be some) it would probably only appeal to geeky types and not the bulk of the party crowd. From what I read it seems that original trance music did indeed center around a more geeky type of crowd than the one we see partying today.

I especially like this part of the page:

quote:

Repetition produces trance. But it will be the type of repetition which is 'engaging' or which produces an involvement with the inner reality. In some trance music - such as goa - there are multiple loops, some of which are subtle. Subtle loops tend to bring the attention to a finer focus. The resulting splitting or dissociation results in trance. But that is not the whole story. What 'subtle' is to one person may be different for another. The effect - which is to say, which cognitive functions are disabled - is another story. Again, this can vary between persons listening to the same music.

and this part:

quote:

Most instances of trance music do not allow sufficient time for deeper trances to develop, as complexities are introduced too quickly. Remember, in shamanistic trances, drumming would go on for days. Subtile changes in the rhythm and melodic structures over time will produce deep trances because it is the 'subtilty' which is engaging. Commercial trance music should continue for a minimum of 20 minutes to induce deep trance. Perhaps we are all fortunate that such long trance music riffs almost never happen.

imagine that, a PhD researcher backing up the idea that this older style of trance was actually trance inducing. Maybe ppl aren't just talking shit after all.

quote:

Originally posted by kr00t0n Things change, so the word 'trance' doesn't mean what it did back in the day... tough, no point whining about it, it's not going to make any difference. You like trance to be xyz, ergo you listen to xyz. Other people like abc, some like 123, personal taste, whilst often an 'arguable' topic, isn't really, because it's personal.

So true. Similarly modern Rock doesn't sound like Rock music did in the 60's (I'm sure your parents will be all too happy to tell you that. ). Times change, and the types of music that are bounded into each genre will obviously change as differing musical styles develop.

I dont hear 12 bar struture or songs about struggle and life on the slave plantations in modern RnB.

Usher doesnt sound anything like the RnB from the first half century of the 1900s.

quote:

Originally posted by Ishkur It's not. You'd think it would live up to its namesake. Go ask Simon Berry what they think of today's "trance".

he would probably say nothing outragoues because he doesn't produce the same trance that he did 10 years ago

compare deeper than deep to mongoose, big difference

quote:

Originally posted by kr00t0n Not a huge amount I admit, but commercial 'RnB' tends to be hiphop with no swearing and less derogatory terms for women. So it isn;t true RnB in the historical sense, doesn't stop people from calling it RnB.

actually, they call it Urban.

it's not as if 'trance' has one specific musical meaning these days anyway. just because the uplifting/melodic type dominates the market, it doesn't make it synonymous with the name 'trance' itself; there are plenty of other styles around if you bother looking.

quote:

Originally posted by Ishkur actually, they call it Urban.

i'm presuming he means stuff like this: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos...7647446-2248653

in which case r&b is a far more common term... well, in this country anyway.

quote:

Originally posted by Ishkur actually, they call it Urban.

Not sure who "they" are meant to be, but this the first thing that appears when you search for "RnB music" on Google.

http://www.thesituation.co.uk/usartists.html

Line 1: "Gucci Mane has been attacked in jail by a murderer who reportedly had an issue with the Atlanta based rapper."

quote:

Originally posted by Fundamental Not sure who "they" are meant to be, but this the first thing that appears when you search for "RnB music" on Google. http://www.thesituation.co.uk/usartists.html Line 1: "Gucci Mane has been attacked in jail by a murderer who reportedly had an issue with the Atlanta based rapper."

classic

quote:

Originally posted by Subtle Ishkur: what music do you listen to ?

What you're really asking me is what's my favourite trance music?

Here's what I currently got queued up at the moment:

Abfahrt - Come Into My Life (Hart Fab Mix)
Age Of Love - The Age Of Love
Art Of Trance - Cambodia
BBE - Flash
Breeder - The Chain
Christian Morgenstern - Hawaii Blue
Cosmic Baby - Heaven's Tears (DJ Kid Paul s Mix)
Datura - Yerba Del Diablo (Yaqui)
De Niro - Mind of Man
Deepsky - Seance
Der Dritte Raum - Hale Bopp
Electric Skychurch - Deus
Fuzzy Logic - Obsession
Rabbit in the Moon - First Contact
Resistance D - Cosmic Love
Sonic Fusion - Emotions
Spacepunks - Another Space (pussy 2000 mix)
Spicelab - Amorph
Steve porter - Mindless
Trancesetters - roaches (bugs in slacker bassment mix)
Underworld - Thing In A Book
William Orbit - Water From a Vine Leaf
X-Press 2 - Supasong
DOM - Lightspeed
Force Legato - System
Voltage Control - Apocalypse
Blue Amazon - And Then the Rain Falls
Trisco - Muzak
Tungsten - Carbine

Most of these are on the music guide.

Some really nice stuff in there (yes, I am aware of stuff pre-98, my brother got into the scene in the early nineties)

But what stuff do you mainly listen to from the past, say, 3 years?

quote:

Originally posted by Ishkur What you're really asking me is what's my favourite trance music? Here's what I currently got queued up at the moment: Abfahrt - Come Into My Life (Hart Fab Mix) Age Of Love - The Age Of Love Art Of Trance - Cambodia BBE - Flash Breeder - The Chain Christian Morgenstern - Hawaii Blue Cosmic Baby - Heaven's Tears (DJ Kid Paul s Mix) Datura - Yerba Del Diablo (Yaqui) De Niro - Mind of Man Deepsky - Seance Der Dritte Raum - Hale Bopp Electric Skychurch - Deus Fuzzy Logic - Obsession Rabbit in the Moon - First Contact Resistance D - Cosmic Love Sonic Fusion - Emotions Spacepunks - Another Space (pussy 2000 mix) Spicelab - Amorph Steve porter - Mindless Trancesetters - roaches (bugs in slacker bassment mix) Underworld - Thing In A Book William Orbit - Water From a Vine Leaf X-Press 2 - Supasong DOM - Lightspeed Force Legato - System Voltage Control - Apocalypse Blue Amazon - And Then the Rain Falls Trisco - Muzak Tungsten - Carbine Most of these are on the music guide.

holy hell, till the end that was pretty much alphabetical.

Oh for fuck's sake. It's fun to generalise every single track in a genre kids! Watch:

Ever since 1996, house music has been a bar of someone else's music stolen and looped to death over a filtered beat. Since this is not what house music used to sound like, all house sucks! ALL OF IT.

Now excuse me while I make a crap analogy towards "the zone", when had I ever been in the fucking zone I'd realise it has nothing to do with hypnosis, deprevation of emotions or any of that crap I just linked it to. Because it's actually a heightened state of awareness where you can make correct decisions very quickly due to adrenaline and such and such.

I'm sorry, but please tell me why a genre suddenly loses all merit because people have realised that hooks are a lot more interesting than endless bland acid loops. Tell me that "Twelve" by Tilt is big anthems, snare rolls and hooks, that it can't take your head someplace else, and that it has less merit than some shittily produced German track from 1991. Go on. Say it and believe it.

quote:

Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Oh for fuck's sake. It's fun to generalise every single track in a genre kids! Watch: Ever since 1996, house music has been a bar of someone else's music stolen and looped to death over a filtered beat. Since this is not what house music used to sound like, all house sucks! ALL OF IT. Now excuse me while I make a crap analogy towards "the zone", when had I ever been in the fucking zone I'd realise it has nothing to do with hypnosis, deprevation of emotions or any of that crap I just linked it to. Because it's actually a heightened state of awareness where you can make correct decisions very quickly due to adrenaline and such and such. I'm sorry, but please tell me why a genre suddenly loses all merit because people have realised that hooks are a lot more interesting than endless bland acid loops. Tell me that "Twelve" by Tilt is big anthems, snare rolls and hooks, that it can't take your head someplace else, and that it has less merit than some shittily produced German track from 1991. Go on. Say it and believe it.

ishkur have you thought about becoming a journalist or maybe write a book or something?
your writing style has everything... the flow... the structure... vocabulary... professionalism...

just a thought

Just out of curiosity (and I may possibly be turning this into an FAO Ishkur thread), but, Ishkur, what do you constitute as the last real "trance" set spun, and list any (if there are) djs/producers that still produce and mix this "real" trance you speak of. I'm not trying to sound sarcastic, though it may come out as such, just interested.

quote:

Originally posted by Azz3D ishkur have you thought about becoming a journalist or maybe write a book or something? your writing style has everything... the flow... the structure... vocabulary... professionalism... just a thought

He is a journalist. He gets paid to talk about hockey as if it's a real sport.

J, did Christian put you up to this, or are you being this deliberately obtuse all by yourself?

House isn't trying to be something its not. Case closed.

*smack*

quote:

Originally posted by Ishkur J, did Christian put you up to this, or are you being this deliberately obtuse all by yourself? House isn't trying to be something its not. Case closed. *smack*

I'm in an aggressive mood, and you're the only person on Planet Web who's up for an argument.

And come on. Trying? Trying what? Trance is what it is. You make a super-anthemic mega trance track and it's exactly that. It isn't trying anything. It's not as if Out of the Blue or Suburban Train failed at what they tried to be.

Genres move on. Trance would have died in 1996 had someone not done something with the genre. A creative drought. Just like it's been in for the last couple of years. Nobody with any sense says "oh yeah, trance kicks ass in 2005!", but that doesn't mean that trance that wasn't your buzzing, boring concoction was never any good.

Man, some of you take this stuff way too seriously

quote:

Originally posted by Ishkur William Orbit - Water From a Vine Leaf X-Press 2 - Supasong Trisco - Muzak

2 things, that's the Xylem Flow mix (by spooky) on water from....
and supasong & muzak, aren't you slating those ones in your guide`?

Powered by: vBulletin
Copyright © 2000-2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.