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Originally posted by Caela not if you use a condom

LMAO, but i thought they weren't 100%??

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Originally posted by ninjahola LMAO, but i thought they weren't 100%??

from what i hear 99.9%

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Originally posted by all-nite-freak i have A.D.D

i guess he was the .01%

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Originally posted by Caela from what i hear 99.9% i guess he was the .01%

aw, all-nite-freak, just kidding...

...come back

me sad...

Just teasin' mate!

its okay...were off topic, time for more toronto bashing!lol...

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Originally posted by all-nite-freak keep in mind the guy who posted that is from Toronto.

...thus making him an expert? on cities? music? culture?...I'm missing your point...the experiance of partying in either city is relative to the specific party. It is relative to the person and their taste. I find that both places have great potential to have amazing parties but that is not always the case.

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Originally posted by jesteraver Seems they like trance more then house.

You couldn't be further from the truth. We do have a trance following, but house runs this city.

Ok all you TOTAs crack me up so much.

Everytime some goof off starts one of these threads, you invade our forums in defense of your city.

GET THE HELL OUT AND WHO CARES IF ONE CITY IS BETTER OR NOT.

Given 10 billion MTL TAs say Montreal is best, and 10 billion TOTAs say Toronto is the best, how about we agree to disagree on who's the best?

And another thing, do you guys seriously browse the MTL TA boards looking for these threads? Just to stir the pot more?

EVEN FUNNIER is how Krinker got all of you in such a knot, 8 pages of posts worth because of posts like Krinker's. Krinker is the ULTIMATE SHIT STARTER, that's for future reference, for ALL OF YOU. You punks all fell into his trap and got all "OMG DEFEND OUR CITY", and proved our points about how we think YOU think you're the center of the universe.

My 2 cents...

A) Stop starting TO bashing threads on MTL boards (or potential TO basing ones, since MTL TAs take any chance we get to do so)

B) TOTAs don't wage posting wars against MTL TAs.

C) OMFG CARL COX TONIGHT, BBQ WTF!!!!!1111

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Originally posted by Lopitrance EVEN FUNNIER is how Krinker got all of you in such a knot, 8 pages of posts worth because of posts like Krinker's. Krinker is the ULTIMATE SHIT STARTER, that's for future reference, for ALL OF YOU. You punks all fell into his trap and got all "OMG DEFEND OUR CITY", and proved our points about how we think YOU think you're the center of the universe.

So it's official

I Rule

You suck !!

I win

You lose !!!

HAHAHAHAHAHA

KrinKer

ps i just sent you a 100 $ for that

MONTREAL REPRESENT

EAAAAAAST SIDE.

Beat it you TOTA's or we'll crush yall with our massive bling, yo yo yo, WUT WUT WUT.

..................

Seriously, TO Sucks and MTL rules, get out.




(Disclaimer: All opinions in this post express FULLY the EXACT sentiments of all Montrealers)

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Originally posted by Lopitrance My 2 cents...

A) Lopitrance sux Carl penor.

You'd pay to see it.

Actually the thread was re-directed through our forums, which some of you people decide to come to as well. Including you Lopi.

Dont you find it a bit hypocritical to call them punks for coming to defend their city in your thread, when you came into the Toronto thread and basically defended MTL as being the better city?

You are such a tool it makes me sick.

Read my posts in the TO forums and tell me I was serious, I was being mockingly hypocritical yes, you caught me you obvious pointer outter you.

GOOD ONE.

Jeeze louise, you TOTAs are frustratingly arrogant sometimes, given I made my comments here then WENT AND DID EXACTLY WHAT I SAID ANNOYED ME, would indeed make me a hypocrite, so why would I do it? And why would I also make 2 of the most retarted posts in the history of TA on your boards?

I'll give you a hint.

I WAS BEING A DICK.

However, you out dicked me by cyber crossing the 401 to MTL boards and "laying down the law" with your informative post.


Get lost.

This is the last post I'm making concerning this issue, it's become extremely redundant and not even fun to mess with you TOTA guys anymore because of how stuck up some of you can be.

We're all Canadian, yes even Quebec, lets get along or lets get movin cause this back and forth stupidity is tiring.

End of story for me.

Chienne...

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Originally posted by Lopitrance You are such a tool it makes me sick. Read my posts in the TO forums and tell me I was serious, I was being mockingly hypocritical yes, you caught me you obvious pointer outter you. GOOD ONE. Jeeze louise, you TOTAs are frustratingly arrogant sometimes, given I made my comments here then WENT AND DID EXACTLY WHAT I SAID ANNOYED ME, would indeed make me a hypocrite, so why would I do it? And why would I also make 2 of the most retarted posts in the history of TA on your boards? I'll give you a hint. I WAS BEING A DICK. However, you out dicked me by cyber crossing the 401 to MTL boards and "laying down the law" with your informative post. Get lost.

Reading your posts make me realize that you might be the type of person who makes a living off seeing the business end of a penis in your mouth daily. It just boggles me how people like you think you can come across as being anything but a moron. You see, what you failed to realize is that my post was not me being absolutely clueless as to what you were trying to achieve, but infact it was me baiting you into this verbal abusage you are now recieving.

The truth is, you are a sub par internet troll. Your image as being clever or insulting is lame, and is definately brought about in your own mind, no one elses. If this is truely the best you have, then I suggest you give up now before it is too late.

You aren't lost yet?

DAMN IT, this edit is cause I forgot I said I wouldnt say anything else!

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Originally posted by Lopitrance You aren't lost yet? DAMN IT, this edit is cause I forgot I said I wouldnt say anything else!

I was about to say, ten whole minutes to write "You aren't lost yet?" I was worried that I actually was arguing with a mentally handicapped person.

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Originally posted by Rodrico Reading your posts make me realize that you might be the type of person who makes a living off seeing the business end of a penis in your mouth daily. It just boggles me how people like you think you can come across as being anything but a moron. You see, what you failed to realize is that my post was not me being absolutely clueless as to what you were trying to achieve, but infact it was me baiting you into this verbal abusage you are now recieving. The truth is, you are a sub par internet troll. Your image as being clever or insulting is lame, and is definately brought about in your own mind, no one elses. If this is truely the best you have, then I suggest you give up now before it is too late.

i would come up with something to insult but there is no point.Whatever insult I would say you would just top it by existing.

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Originally posted by all-nite-freak Whatever insult I would say you would just top it by existing.

Practically a paradox in itself. But I'm glad my existance offends you.

Rodrico

first let me start by saying bravo to being able to shut two quebecors in a record breaking time.

Second, this kind of tread was made espacially for people just like you. First, you never really understood the purpose of the tread because you never truly cared about coming in the MtlTa section, on the other hand you heard from fellow ToTa that you could have fun on the MtlTa section so you decided to come take a look anyway. Afterward, you decided to jump into the wagon still not knowing what the real conversation was all about, and obviously you didn't care, the only you found for entering the conversation was to make fun of the last post that had been posted. Ironically enough, that post clearly stated the real meaning of tread like this, that has been around for a long period of time. You didn't even took the time to understand what the post was saying, all you wanted was to provoque without even trying to bring something to te topic, which, by the way, was about the actual Toronto scene.

Clearly, you don't get sarcasm, you are a dumbass that just search for a flamming war and you haven't brought anything intelligent to this discussion. All you want to is to have an anal and childish insult war and, above all, you couldn't even come up with a half-decent insult if your life depended on it. So please, pack your bags, and go back to the ToTa section which is over-runned by people with your lack of intelligence and maturity.

Thank you

KrinKer

reposting this again - as this type of thread has popped up over and over again in the Montreal forums..... - please STOP!!! bashing each other and FUCKING get along......for Christ's sakes !

it is not that difficult - we are envious of each other for various reasons (for sure) but these pissing contests are ridiculous.....

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Originally posted by Sean Cassidy Very interesting thread. Really made me think and subsequently spent easily 3 hours putting this post together in a coherenet and non-verbally abusive fashion - that's not my style anyways. I hope you take the time to read it as I would like to clarify a few things - those who seek the truth prefer fact over fiction.......... TAG - your quote below..... [QUOTE]Originally posted by Tag Ok I was just looking at their labour of love party review thread....omg they sound like such a bunch of n00bs....like worse than me I mean. Mtl pwns TO

so nOObish itself upon reading - and TAG you have also just turned 19 - as your profile states (if true) - so in the big scheme of things trance-wise - YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE A NOOB PERIOD unless you were into this music since you were 6 (circa 1993).....the year I started listening to stuff on HartHouse/Rising High and EYE-Q records out of Germany.

you poked your head into the Toronto forums and spewed a post akin to this one and got BURNED by the TOTA's (wish I could find the thread - but it wont let me do a search on 3 letters for(TAG) - oh well - but regardless - now you hate us apparantly and Toronto itself??? or so it seems .....

(I am guessing this - for because shorty there after the TOTA burn) something clicked enough for you to change your avatar from your own facial pic to this robot thingy picture?? - don't be afraid of the TOTA's we wont come and get you - just be yourself and watch what you post....all things take time - just learn some tact.

I HATE THE WORD NOOB - BUT PEEPS LOVE TO THROW THIS DEROGATORY WORD AROUND THESE FORUMS.........SO TO PUT THINGS IN PERSPECTIVE

Well nOOb is as nOOb does - we have ALL been a nOOb at one point in time - some FRIENDLY advice (I learned this too) educate yourself and your posts will not come across this way (nOObish) - read through these forums - reflect and realize that a great many people who post on here have a deep knowledge of the scene in both Toronto and Montreal and are not afraid to stick up for their scenes with FACTS instead of PETTY conjectures - as I am trying to do here with this post.

No hard feelings TAG - please - I am only offering some FRIENDLY advice based on some observations I have made while reading these forums myself....but

Please read on......

ELIE

I have quite a few issues to clarify and point out from your posts too - see below......

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Originally posted by elie The venue was huge, but WAKKKK! I did not understand the concept of putting 5 clubs together but to get from one to another, it was left, right, up , right, down the stairs, around the corner and there you go you are in the house room. And all the hallways and stairways were ONE WAY so to get back where you previously just were, you had to do the whole circle all the way around.

there are actually NINE clubs/bars/lounges inside the Guvernment (hence the term complex) TEN if you count the tent set-up outside for Labour of Love only.......and with this many rooms in one COMPLEX - there will be a complex array of ways to get around - makes sense really - but as Magikb said - traffic has to move in one direction mainly in order to have flow - I have been there when this is not the case and it is UTTER CHAOS!!! Ya it sucks sometimes to get from KoolHaus to the Guv (takes a good 15 minutes)- but hey I made it around the complex 4 times that night without too much problem (once because my friends asthma was acting up and 3 other times because we wanted to catch Diggers in the Guv and Demi on the SkyBar and the final moments of Deep Dish in the morning in the Guv again). Believe me THIS YEAR WAS ONE OF THE MOST ORGANIZED ARRAY OF MOVEMENTS SCHEDULES BY BOUNCERS AND STAFF EVER.....be thankful it was not like 3 years ago....

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Originally posted by elie THANK GOD FOR THE MUSIC. Blank & Jones played and Armin played the best 6 hours of music I have ever heard, it was amazing, incredible ... too bad the only people I had to share it with were the band of sour apples surrounding me. I would scream "Great SOng!" they would look back at me with disgust, WTF???

I can (TOTA)lly agree with you on this point - THE MUSIC WAS SICK!!! I myself found myself dancing like a crazy mofo - and if you know me like the other TOTA's do (and I am sure to the annoyance of the sour apples around me) I am constantly cheering on the DJ's with my WIKKID WIKKID - BRING IT UP BRING IT UP chants!! And ya sure people give me a look or 2 - so what! - PEOPLE CHEER at concerts and that is exactly what this event is like (or any DJ gig for that matter) a concert experience - so I would have been personally glad to have you next to me shouting the same encouragement - lord knows - when you time it right - you can send a wave of people following your lead and echoing your same sentiments - it is quite contagious I have found - you start the WOOT WOOT - and sure enough someone picks it up and so on until everyone is cheering - AWESOME FEELING for sure (as you well know because you do it yourself

Twice that night in my exhuberence I exclaimed aloud - "YOU PEOPLE DIDNT SPEND 60 BUCKS TO STAND AROUND!! - BRING IT UP BRING IT UP!!" -and that actually put smiles on some faces and made them dance harder - I am all about bringing energy to a party - whether through my dancing skillz (I got some pretty WIKKID WIKKID moves yo!) or through some well timed CHANTS........heck it is how some people even know I am at the club - when they hear me exclaim WIKKID WIKKID - BRING IT UP BRING IT UP! during the breakdowns and build-ups (so I have been told )......anyways I digress........KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK TRYING TO PUMP PEOPLE UP - SOME DEFINITELY NEED IT.......and the beats played that night should have automatically been making people freaking out - but meh....maybe they nicked a bad pill - who knows - who CARES!!

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Originally posted by elie Oh yea, what is with the camera's ?? Everyone had camera's and were snapping pictures... I weas actually asked suring the Armin set to move out of the way so someone could get a good picture.

what's with the cameras????? WTF!!!!! - CAMERAS ARE AWESOME AT THESE KIND OF EVENTS and you know it.....as you so retracted your statement when MAGIKB pressed you on it. A wonderful way to capture the memories of a truly awesome night with your mates and in case you get to fucked up (in a good way) to remember everything. And if someone asked you to move (they were probably just tripping out and were excited - so cut some slack) or maybe you were just standing there and in that instance I would ask you to move too as you are for one taking up prime dance space (standing is only aloud at the sides of the club - its a rule I think) and two someone maybe had a good opportunity to snap an awesome shot so why should you be the one to keep that from happening. Maybe - who knows - I wasn't there - just trying to think about why this bothered you so much.

THANK YOU FOR THE PICTURESQUE MOMENTS LABOUR OF LOVE 3



SEE PEOPLE SMILING - ARENT WE FUN PEEPS - TOTA'S RULE!!!!!!!

Which leads me to these 2 quotes of yours perfectly........

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Originally posted by elie The people: I cannot beleive such a crowd of unhappy, sour, annal people could exist. Maybe it's cause I am from Montreal and everyone here is so fucking nice and happy and receptive to smiles or anything of the sort, but I was actually scared at one point to look people in the eyes because NO ONE WOULD RESPOND TO EVEN A SIMPLE SMILE! The only people I talked to all night were other Montrealers who were also having the worst night of their lives.

WORST NIGHT OF YOUR LIVES - pfft! - That sounds a tad over-dramatic - unless you o'd or were puking - lost your wallet - or saw some one get shot (as apparantly ARIA experienced recently) it couldn't have been the WORST night of your lives and if it was - you guys have a huge part of that responsibility falling on yourselves. Dont blame the crowd - blame it on the DJ (HAHA- from your sig).

It is true Toronto is a colder crowd - whether that has to do with massive immigration into the city and segregation of groups and cultures trying to lay claim to what they think is their turf - maybe we have a big ego and chip on our shoulder because we are TORONTO - who knows - but yes in comparision the preteniousness is not as rampant in Montreal clubs and social scene (UNLESS YOU DRESS LIKE SHIT - THEN MONTREAL CAN BE CRUEL!! FASHION FASHION) - kudos to Montreal for that and especially with their gay scene.......Toronto would change their scene for Montreals - ANYDAY.

So ya key is to hang with like-minded people in TO and you will be ok - NEXT TIME POST IN THE TOTA FORUMS YOU ARE COMING - was mentioned earlier in this thread by a few of us......we will welcome you no problem with that!!

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Originally posted by elie So the running joke was to gather together every so often and make fun of things we saw ...

So you are mocking us then........you want us to treat you with respect and kindness while we are the butt of your BIG JOKE - not cool! Maybe people noticed your contempt and just threw it right back at ya?? Ya never know......

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Originally posted by elie Meanwhile I am DANCING MY ASS OFF because B&J are killing me with the hardest beats I have ever heard

GOOD FOR YOU!!!! B&J KILLED IT THAT NIGHT!! GOOD BEATS!!! SPEAKING OF DANCING YOUR ASS OFF - SO WAS I AND ABOUT 50 OTHER TOTA'S FRONT ROW CENTRE WOOT! WOOT! and a GOOD DOZEN or so at the side of the KOOL HAUS - this room is by far the biggest room in the complex and if you wanted to dance you could always find space......like Magikb said.

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Originally posted by elie After 4, everyone in the room became e-tarded. But still not smiling, I didn't get it.

Very rushy/mashy pills perhaps - I became E-tarded before 4 tho - more like 2:15 but I was smiling the whole time - thank god for pure MDMA and the TOTA posse - this combo always guarantees to bring a smile to yo face

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Originally posted by elie Moment #1: I was walking through one of the rooms with a stereo t-shirt on and these 2 girls run up to me screaming "OMG WE KNOW THE PLACE STEREO, YOU KNOW IT???!?!" I walked right through them saying "never heard of the place..." it was a funny moment.

Another example of where you are a guest in our city and expect us to treat you like one (as if we even knew - you didnt tell anyone you were coming) - those girls MIGHT have generally been interested in your shirt and excited to meet you and would have partied with you because of a common connection and lords knows what else could have happened in a FUN WAY - but - instead you choose to use the moment to snicker and sneer at "TORONTO PEOPLE" and might have potentially rubbed some people rough on "Montreal people" - NICE AMBASSADORS - NOT COOL!! joke or not.....

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Originally posted by elie Thank god we didnt pay to get in (THANK YOU DEMI) Even demi after his set came up to me and my friends with a "this is a very motivating crowd" in total sarcasme.

YOU LUCKY BASTARD IT WAS MY BIRTHDAY (33) AND I STILL HAD TO PAY REDUCED TO GET IN...........SO FOR FREE YOU WENT TO A PARTY THAT SHOWCASED SOME OF THE BEST SETS OF MUSIC YOU EVER HEARD (you said so yourself - quoting you). That must REALLY SUCK!!!! LOL!

And DEMI - why would he say that - that is too bad.....True of the 3 D's on the GUV bill (DEMI - DIGWEED - DEEPDISH) he is the least known and the first opener - I am sure that Markus Shultz felt like crap next to B&J and ARMIN comparitively too - tho Demmi and Shultz they both played good sets. I dont think DEMI was talking about the SKYBAR crowd because he was rocking it out up there and I had friends that were up there with him and he was smiling away having a good ol time - and if he was saying "the crowd may have been less motivated" it is only because on JUNE 20 2005 - ONE OF THE BEST PARTY NIGHTS IN TORONTOS HISTORY - SASHA AND LAWLER PLAYED BACK TO BACK ON THE SKYBAR and for many of us OUR MINDS WILL NEVER GET OVER AND WILL ALWAYS COMPARE ANY SET ON SKYBAR TO THAT ONE - and Demi is good BUT NOT SASHA AND LAWLER BACK TO BACK GOOD - you have to give me that one...MANY OF THE DDTT TOTA's were impressed with DEMI and were quite excited about his double billing essentially by playing twice in one night.

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Originally posted by elie PS: Boa closed. Does that mean the scene is dead!?

NOT DEAD - SHE IS JUST REVIVING PREPARING FOR HER NEXT INCARNATION - BOA IS COMING BACK VERSION 3!!!!!! And the Toronto Scene never really died - just got lugged down with too many barnacles from being moored to only on pier for so long (INDUSTRY) once that folded - the ship she sank a little - but there were a few rescue boats that have get things lively and afloat......

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Originally posted by fastmp3 by the way luke fair doesn't suck, he's good

THIS MAN SPEAKETH THE TRUTH - LISTEN!!!!!!!

Yoshitoshi or not - this GUY is a NICE PERSON in PERSON and WIKKID on the DECKS!!!!

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Originally posted by ImmyJ Anyway, don't join the scene, make the scene, right? Dancing wildly only requires one pair of feet...

I like the way this guy thinks - Elie take note - as with above....

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Originally posted by iLLnaDa sorry to hear about your experience @ LOL 2005...I HAD THE BEST TIME OF MY LIFE!!!yikes!! simply put U NEEDED TO MEET UP WITH THE TOTA DAMMIT!!! hahahaaa

NADA one of our TOTA BEACONS!!!! - she speaks the truth - I HAD THE BEST TIME EVER AT THE GUV ON A LABOUR DAY WEEKEND - and this year marked my 7th.....It was a massive house party called Summer's End before that. U NEEDED TO MEET UP WITH THE TOTA DAMMIT!!! These words keep echoing throughout this post.......could be some logic there.

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Originally posted by Flec heres the important part of my review, and it has nothing to do with the music, the venue, or how crowded it was etc.... i went to this party, without "going with someone specific" yeah sure i got a ride with anthony, but we didnt leave together, or party together for most of the night, mostly with all the TA's - so no matter where i went, i was with someone, i went to this party alone, but i wasnt alone, i was with EVERYONE, with the crowd and part of the party. something i have never felt before.

My dear Shane - he is a nOOb (to the Guv) - 19 - but has been signed up with TOTA since 2001/2002 - if you knew him - this post is not some random e-tarded comment. There was an awesome energy there that night if you allowed yourself to feel it - granted 150 TOTA's kinda helped but we were only part of the experience that made this event for him so much fun - and for him I am so happy his first experience there was a good one!!! Mine was to - same space but different name - RPM (CIRCA 1991)

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Originally posted by Pettiscool id just like to take this opportunity to say that i heart guvy, and i would cry if it closed.

And Pet - well he loves Mark Oliver - as most of Toronto's trance scene does a world class style DJ who spins almost every week for us for 10 bucks!! WIKKID DEAL!!!! He would probably more than cry if GUV closed he'd probably chop his ears off so as to never hear another sound again - and so for that alone GUV cannot close - for there are many more WHITEROOM tracks for us and PETTISCOOL in the near future!!!!

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Originally posted by house_conXion Well apparently you didn't hear what they were spinning from 5am onwards. That was some of the most dirtiest, sickest beats being laid down. Sure Deep Dish have their off nights but at LoL they just absolutely killed it. Know the facts before you talk shit next time

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THIS IS SO FREAKIN TRUE - I got in the club at 9:00 PM and left at 10:30 AM - if it was not for the extremely hard and twisted pyscho disco beats from 8-10:30 I would have left the building already well spent from a night of massive footworking on the dancefloor.....but even as NADA, MAGIKB and MYSELF tried to sit down and begged - please start playing some shitty music so we can go home already - THAT NEVER HAPPENED - "SLEEP DISH" pulled a proverbial JACK "HAMMER" RABBIT out of there proggy house ass and destroyed us to former bits and pieces of ourselves. IT WAS A BRUTAL ASSUALT - BUT HOLY SHIT - WE TOOK IT LIKE TROOPERS!!!!

Elie - all comments above were mere clarifications and not a personal attack on you - please do not flame - I am flaming enough for the both of us! I hope you come back and give Toronto a chance. We'd love to have ya.


So I end my rant/clarification/education/review thread - (I never posted a proper review for this night in the LOL3 thread) - good thing eh?? I would have been called a nOOb by TAG..........

But alas my birthday usually falls on this weekend every year - so this weekend has even more reason to stay with me in memory and since meeting alot of the people on TA and sharing this years BIRTHDAY extravaganza with them this was by far my best LABOUR DAY BIRTHDAY PARTY ever! From the 3rd Annual TA bbq (what better birthday party could I have asked for) to the Labour of Love event and the after parties with friends - TOTA's are a good bunch of peeps.

Some of you in the Montreal Forums should spend a little less time hating on us and take a cue from some of us and embrace the differences that we all bring to scene and use it make it stronger - not tear down bridges and create divides between 2 of the nicest and culturally diverse cities North America has to offer.

Our scenes tho vastly different in ways - are alike in the fact that we are all people trying to create a world class clubbing scene for ourselves - we are bound to make a few mistakes along the way - but by enlarge we have succeeded................

now back to your regularly scheduled program........au revoir!

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Originally posted by Sean Cassidy I am not sure why I felt compelled to type at such length - but - joke thread or not - this event was one of the highlights of my summer (and for many others as well) what bothered me was the fact that not too many Montrealers came to this party - and if they did - they sure didn't really say anything about it - which made me think did any come - and sure enough someone who did - had to diss.....you and Elie fixed things up that's good - but you had to have you opinion expressed in order to get him to come around to your way of thinking... I tried to be positive to TAG and ELIE - non-abusive - maybe a tad bit tongue in cheek - but how else was I to get my point across - not in the same bashing manner and competitive who pwns who - that really bothers me not only about the fact that there is a sense of animosity between the forums - but that loose comments are made and people are quick to run with them and assassinate the character and dignity of other people that are innocent. Perhaps too - I was making my own thoughts known that in future if I want to post in here - I should be considered an equal and able to have an intelligent conversation without things turning into a bashing/trashing session..... as i said in my post - there were clarifications that I felt needed to happen - a true review on the night wouldn't have been so peppered with negative remarks - if a positive outlook had been the mission from the get go......some Toronto people are BITCHES - I know this far to well - so when I hear of some negative spins on a city's culture because of another city's pride issues - it makes me think of the useless chatter and bickering that goes on behind these pages and the stereotypes that are reinforced because people want to believe in something negative about someone only because it makes them feel superior and in a position to judge... that is all - do not paint us over with one brush - individually or collectively because we are all multifaceted individuals with a wealth of knowledge that we yearn to share with one another...... I don't know.......plus I always hated the bully mentality and that was my first impression from this thread....a gang-up and slander posting which did more harm than good and inadvertantly wedges deeper divides between the two forums in general - there is enough negative shit in the world to dwell upon than making up negative half-truth comments or jokes just to amuse one another no???? lets talk about the beats - for they are WIKKID - and our wonderful experiences because we are so lucky to have access to such freedoms of self-expression...... not hating on anyone who posted here - but I really do hate - the hatefullness sometimes expressed by the hatefully minded on these forums...... thanks Jenn for your understanding and TAG and ELIE for your patience to hear me out without harbouring animosity. TA PEOPLE ROCK PERIOD!!!! END OF STORY!!!!

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