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Posted by jdat on Nov-01-2005 16:42:

I know there's pros and cons to what Dani did but regardles:

I SUPPORT DANI 100% ON THIS!




Just become some egocentric wannabe rockstar producer/dj feels like he's been attacked does that make it ok for him to go out on Dani? No


A lot of TAs including me made a mockery of his attitude in regards to searching his name on the forum ( talk about ego stroking ) and if he felt that their truly was a problem or didn't like the fact everyone was mocking him now he should have done a thread about it .... oh wait maybe not.

Either way he doesn't sound strong enough to take Dani or anyone elses criticism. Idiot.


Posted by akaufma2000 on Nov-01-2005 19:57:

Dave is being passive-agressive.


Posted by Miss Bliss on Nov-01-2005 20:08:

What a freakin weirdo egotistical DJ...

+1 on the passive-aggressive!


p.s. DAVE DRESDEN


Posted by spitty on Nov-01-2005 20:23:

quote:
Originally posted by jdat
I know there's pros and cons to what Dani did but regardles:

I SUPPORT DANI 100% ON THIS!




Just become some egocentric wannabe rockstar producer/dj feels like he's been attacked does that make it ok for him to go out on Dani? No


A lot of TAs including me made a mockery of his attitude in regards to searching his name on the forum ( talk about ego stroking ) and if he felt that their truly was a problem or didn't like the fact everyone was mocking him now he should have done a thread about it .... oh wait maybe not.

Either way he doesn't sound strong enough to take Dani or anyone elses criticism. Idiot.


we all have our arguments. I personally don't see why anyone who think its ok to post a private convo, regardless of who the other person is. maybe i have higher standards with the people i associate with. or maybe because i see him as a person, not a producer/dj, then i look at it differentely. i guess a lot of you see him as "public property".

so i guess in a way we are both in the same position. i'm definitely judging that girl as a bitch for doing something so low. i wouldn't want friends like that, and her attitude (teehee, i'm just a silly girl) is just beyond ridiculous. i have a lot of contempt for quite a few people on the board, specifically the cor whores. i've spent enough time on there to see that it really is a bunch of childish miscreants who follow very simple gang-mentality rules. its like grade 3 playground. this is why i don't normally stray outta TOTA

support your friend. i respect that and i wouldn't look down on you for that. its good to some people actually have some empathy for their "fellow man" still whether or not she acted in the wrong. i was beginning to think the rest of TA was a bunch of degenerates



-spitty-

and no, the nickname comes from my lastname..and ONLY my last name


Posted by LuNaSeA on Nov-01-2005 20:36:

well peeps, i think it's about that time...


Posted by Groundhog Boy on Nov-01-2005 20:42:

Man, all this over an IM screen name. I mean, to restate what Erin said a few pages ago, it's not that hard to turn your IM on so that you don't receive messages from people that you don't know. Block people you don't like, set your preferences so that only people on your list can contact you, etc.

I'm just glad Dani didn't have his phone number...


Posted by kadomony on Nov-01-2005 20:47:

lokke


Posted by Vlad on Nov-01-2005 20:56:

The CORe is the CORe for a reason and you cannot justify anything that exists in there with normal logic. Most of the people that post in there are actually very smart and very normal outside of the CORe. The CORe is a big clique and we all go there to bs about everyday things, and if you make yourself an easy target because you do stupid things, i.e. search for your own name to see what people say about you, you WILL get flamed to the point of no return.

Now, the fact that he has to go and whine about the fact that a private convo exposed him to be full of himself, well thats his problem, but dont expect us to sit back and not take the opportunity to make him look like a little bitch who cant take alittle criticism.


Posted by nchs09 on Nov-01-2005 21:01:

quote:
Originally posted by chanoa
maybe i have higher standards with the people i associate with
aha what a prick


Posted by DeRangedMind on Nov-01-2005 21:10:

quote:
Originally posted by chanoa

so i guess in a way we are both in the same position. i'm definitely judging that girl as a bitch for doing something so low. i wouldn't want friends like that, and her attitude (teehee, i'm just a silly girl) is just beyond ridiculous. i have a lot of contempt for quite a few people on the board, specifically the cor whores. i've spent enough time on there to see that it really is a bunch of childish miscreants who follow very simple gang-mentality rules. its like grade 3 playground.




Very true


Posted by spitty on Nov-01-2005 22:22:

quote:
Originally posted by Vlad
The CORe is the CORe for a reason and you cannot justify anything that exists in there with normal logic. Most of the people that post in there are actually very smart and very normal outside of the CORe. The CORe is a big clique and we all go there to bs about everyday things, and if you make yourself an easy target because you do stupid things, i.e. search for your own name to see what people say about you, you WILL get flamed to the point of no return.

Now, the fact that he has to go and whine about the fact that a private convo exposed him to be full of himself, well thats his problem, but dont expect us to sit back and not take the opportunity to make him look like a little bitch who cant take alittle criticism.


we are speaking about ME here, and I'M complaining that the private convo was posted JUST because the private convo was posted. Regardless of WHO, or WHAT, or WHY, lunesa fucked up. she should see that and apologize. i realize its cool to bash dave right now, but serious chica, show some maturity. admit your mistakes

I also know that there are two sides to every person. Obviously by nachos post, I'm not coming across as a nice person here. Thats fine by me. The ones that do know me, know better. Its too bad that the COR and Dave really only brought out the worst in eachother. To think you guys are blameless is silly and blind. Hold yourselves by the same standards you hold him.

-spitty-


Posted by Swamper on Nov-01-2005 22:27:

Too much drama.

Those of you that say 'who cares what happens' on the net or say they don't care what someone says - are full of it. It affects you on some level, otherwise why are you here - to talk to ppl and say things that are meaningless? No. It's just a virtual community - a attempt at representing parts of what a real-world community is supposed to be - problems/conflicts and all. This whole situation just highlights the fact that when egos are involved (whether they be those of a music producer/dj or a forum regular) that they'll do whatever is necessary to maintain their image in front of the 'community'.

I won't deny what chanoa mentioned, c0r has some dickheads - and the hands off approach of not having explicit rules for everyone to abide by worked for a LONG time. I hate censorship/excessive rules - wtf - TA is supposed to be a fun place not yet another thing that requires you to read a manual/follow guidelines before use.

Meh.


Posted by Vlad on Nov-01-2005 22:45:

Im only here because people are holding Dani responsible for him leaving. Maybe she aided his "resignation", but the person responsible for Dave leaving is Dave. His arrogance was exposed to the public that respect's him, and to save himself from drowning he "left". Plain and simple.

All this complaining about her posting his AIM address is just you newbs trying to divert from what the real issue at hand is.


Posted by verndogs on Nov-01-2005 22:47:

this post pretty much sums it up (and jonze234 is one of the more respectable and funny COR posters)

quote:

Originally posted by jonze234

when did dave ever post on here other than to promote some single or album that he was working on? he used the site only to promote himself and his gigs. then he came in here and started attacking a member of the CORe by saying things that would have gotten anyone else banned. the only reason that dave posted in threads is if they came up when he searched for his name. dave brought this on himself.

there are plenty of respectable members of the industry that post on TA such as: James Zabiela, Max Graham, and Noel Sanger.


Posted by Konijn on Nov-01-2005 23:00:

dave's ego and arrogance notwithstanding, the posting of a private IM convo is tactless and in poor taste (or maybe i'm just part of the paleolithic school that locates IMs, PMs and emails in the same sphere as phone calls and letters...)

COR shenanigans are a different, and mostly harmless, issue altogether and shouldn't be lumped into the more substantive matter of privacy.

bottom line(s): dave comes off like a prick for the arrogance; lunasea comes off shitty for her post; ta is exposed as having a fantastically high douchebag/noob quotient.


Posted by spitty on Nov-01-2005 23:05:

quote:
Originally posted by Vlad
Im only here because people are holding Dani responsible for him leaving. Maybe she aided his "resignation", but the person responsible for Dave leaving is Dave. His arrogance was exposed to the public that respect's him, and to save himself from drowning he "left". Plain and simple.

All this complaining about her posting his AIM address is just you newbs trying to divert from what the real issue at hand is.


i don't hold lunesa responsible for dave leaving. that was daves choice 100%. i hold her responisble for posting private information. thats it. thats all. nothing more. and thats what she SHOULD be feeling guilty for right now.


Posted by trunks1022 on Nov-01-2005 23:11:

both are wrong. n00bs


Posted by Vlad on Nov-01-2005 23:13:

quote:
Originally posted by chanoa
i don't hold lunesa responsible for dave leaving. that was daves choice 100%. i hold her responisble for posting private information. thats it. thats all. nothing more. and thats what she SHOULD be feeling guilty for right now.


I doubt it, its just a screenname, not his permanent address with telephone number and blood type. As posted previously, theres an option where he can only receive messages from people on his buddy list, its not that hard of a thing to do.

...making such a big thing out of a minor thing.


Posted by Groundhog Boy on Nov-01-2005 23:15:

quote:
Originally posted by chanoa
i don't hold lunesa responsible for dave leaving. that was daves choice 100%. i hold her responisble for posting private information. thats it. thats all. nothing more. and thats what she SHOULD be feeling guilty for right now.

I believe that she already stated that posting his screenname was the *only* thing that she did wrong. But maybe that was in one of the threads that got deleted because of everyone else's posts.


Posted by spitty on Nov-01-2005 23:36:

quote:
Originally posted by Groundhog Boy
I believe that she already stated that posting his screenname was the *only* thing that she did wrong. But maybe that was in one of the threads that got deleted because of everyone else's posts.


really. so she talked to dave and apologized ???

and again, the WHOLE conversation was private. right now i'm posting on a public forum. i expect my words to be read by everyone, quoted, laughed at, agreed with, and possibly one day used against me. I know and am fine with the fact that i probably can never run for office because of things i have willingly posted on forums. However, if i engaged in a private conversation with someone, i would expect and hope that the conversation would remain private. i would not expect it to be posted on a public forum without my permission and if it had..i would be pissed.

I am not here excusing any of daves behaviour (obviously we are not going to see eye to eye on that). and i hope you are not blindly defending someone just because you are on their "side"


Posted by trunks1022 on Nov-01-2005 23:41:

quote:
Originally posted by chanoa
really. so she talked to dave and apologized ???

and again, the WHOLE conversation was private. right now i'm posting on a public forum. i expect my words to be read by everyone, quoted, laughed at, agreed with, and possibly one day used against me. I know and am fine with the fact that i probably can never run for office because of things i have willingly posted on forums. However, if i engaged in a private conversation with someone, i would expect and hope that the conversation would remain private. i would not expect it to be posted on a public forum without my permission and if it had..i would be pissed.

I am not here excusing any of daves behaviour (obviously we are not going to see eye to eye on that). and i hope you are not blindly defending someone just because you are on their "side"


he's just stating facts. no opinion...


Posted by verndogs on Nov-01-2005 23:49:

quote:
Originally posted by chanoa
really. so she talked to dave and apologized ???

and again, the WHOLE conversation was private. right now i'm posting on a public forum. i expect my words to be read by everyone, quoted, laughed at, agreed with, and possibly one day used against me. I know and am fine with the fact that i probably can never run for office because of things i have willingly posted on forums. However, if i engaged in a private conversation with someone, i would expect and hope that the conversation would remain private. i would not expect it to be posted on a public forum without my permission and if it had..i would be pissed.

I am not here excusing any of daves behaviour (obviously we are not going to see eye to eye on that). and i hope you are not blindly defending someone just because you are on their "side"


you're beating a dead horse now. what's been done is done. no point saying the same thing for the 203840298402398th time.

everyone just needs to move on


Posted by Groundhog Boy on Nov-01-2005 23:52:

quote:
Originally posted by chanoa
really. so she talked to dave and apologized ???

and again, the WHOLE conversation was private. right now i'm posting on a public forum. i expect my words to be read by everyone, quoted, laughed at, agreed with, and possibly one day used against me. I know and am fine with the fact that i probably can never run for office because of things i have willingly posted on forums. However, if i engaged in a private conversation with someone, i would expect and hope that the conversation would remain private. i would not expect it to be posted on a public forum without my permission and if it had..i would be pissed.

I am not here excusing any of daves behaviour (obviously we are not going to see eye to eye on that). and i hope you are not blindly defending someone just because you are on their "side"

I doubt that she's talked to Dave since, but since he was browsing MD the other night after saying he was done with TA, I'm guessing he saw her post.

I don't recall anything from her post being controversial or anything. I really don't see what the huge deal was with posting what she did (minus his screenname if you will). I mean, she said she got "pwned" by him in the original thread and she found it funny.

If we completely follow your logic, then no conversation should ever be repeated. We shouldn't hear anything about conversations with DJs in the booths at parties, etc. I think that'd be going a bit overboard. If I had a penny for every time something that I said to someone got repeated, I'd be able to quit my job and go clubbing every night. Her post and the fallout that resulted was just the end of all of the bickering that went on between the general Dave Dresden and the TA population (and I'm not defending them, either, because as I type, there are people trying to post legitimate topics in the COR and getting hijacked with cracks about Carl Cox and falafel).

Personally, if I've got something to say to someone that I really don't want passed around, there's no way it's going in IM or email, it's going to be over the phone or in person, where it can be denied if need be.


Posted by Groundhog Boy on Nov-01-2005 23:54:

With my last post, I'm done on this topic, too. I just wanted to rebut because you quoted me.


Posted by spitty on Nov-02-2005 00:04:

quote:
Originally posted by verndogs

everyone just needs to move on


agree 100%..and this poli sci paper is not writing itself..goddammit


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