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Originally posted by basd p.s. Sunshine and D-Clash belong in the garbage bin

Heh, perhaps, but come on now, I listen to trance.

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Jaguar is pure techno to me

This always puzzled me, because everyone claims Jaguar is techno, but some elements seem quite more tech-housey to me: the instrumental percussion, the tropical riff, the disco-housey synthesized strings. But then again, I'm no techno expert, so I might be off.

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Originally posted by Cobalt Heh, perhaps, but come on now, I listen to trance.

I'll let it slip this time

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This always puzzled me, because everyone claims Jaguar is techno, but some elements seem quite more tech-housey to me: the instrumental percussion, the tropical riff, the disco-housey synthesized strings. But then again, I'm no techno expert, so I might be off.

As I said, my definitions of techno (if I've even got any, don't ask me to write them down because I can't) are pretty broad compared to others, judging from what I've been reading up to now. Could be a reason why. Besides, I wouldn't call myself a real techno expert either, there are lots of people that know far more about it.

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Originally posted by Cobalt This always puzzled me, because everyone claims Jaguar is techno, but some elements seem quite more tech-housey to me: the instrumental percussion, the tropical riff, the disco-housey synthesized strings. But then again, I'm no techno expert, so I might be off.

it's detroit techno. the guys from do town have been making shit like that since 1986 at least. the strings aren't disco-housey. disco-house strings are filtered funk or direct samples of riffs out of disco songs. those 'disco-housey synthesized strings' are a throwback of early detroit techno.

just listen to this track from derrick may made in '92 or this track made by kev, may, and juan in '86. they're just sort of wailing synth strings that detroit producers have used in their techno to add sort of a futuristic and soulful feel to their music.

hey i know. go listen to the Mayday remix of Jaguar. Hahah. in fact, here's a sample of it. even more disco housey strings! lol. but yeah, obviously he heard the track and said "whoa, i did something exactly like this 10 years ago, here, let me do it how it's supposed to be done." right? but seriously, if anyone knows how to tweak those futuristic soul strings just the right way, it's Derrick May. he pretty much mastered that aspect of detroit techno. in fact he has some ambient tracks with nothing but those disco housey strings like....THIS ONE!

as for the rest, how exactly would a "tropical riff" if jaguar had one, make it house? and why would percussion make it house? 99.999999999 percennt of techno tracks are built on percussion.

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Originally posted by basd Minimal is techno to me as well.

meh i just call it hard minimal doesnt compare techno wise for me to picotto and shit..


my first love was techno i remember listening for the first time Mauro picotto live @ trance energy 01 i think.. sickness

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Originally posted by dudgeon way to many too list. wtf? he's been making minimal tech right from the start..

i dont know much about his productions but he used to play hard.

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Originally posted by basd Another fine example of a tune exactly fitting my taste: Portion Reform - Shift worker [DOWNWARDS 001] Too bad the rest of the 2x12" doesn't come close in terms of quality.. Don't really feel like buying it just for this one.

that song is .

I hadnt ever heard minimal before this thread due to lack of access. If it all sounds like that kinda buzzing sound then it gets a thumbs up from me. On the other hand i didnt like the majority of the other stuff in the thread so i think il stick with normal techno

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Originally posted by Joycey that song is . I hadnt ever heard minimal before this thread due to lack of access. If it all sounds like that kinda buzzing sound then it gets a thumbs up from me.

Sample wasn't meant as an example of minimal, more as an example of my preferences in techno flavour

John Tejada ftw

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Originally posted by basd Sample wasn't meant as an example of minimal, more as an example of my preferences in techno flavour

Ah ok. Hmmm cant say i really see the greatness in the other samples and stuff in the thread but maybe they will grow on me over time. I know that when I was only into trance i heard techno and i was like wtf, but now even though im not exactly in the know, I prefer to listen to a good techno set then any amount of trance

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Originally posted by Joycey Ah ok. Hmmm cant say i really see the greatness in the other samples and stuff in the thread but maybe they will grow on me over time. I know that when I was only into trance i heard techno and i was like wtf, but now even though im not exactly in the know, I prefer to listen to a good techno set then any amount of trance

Most stuff mentioned here up to now is from either the deeper and more melodic side, or the altogether more minimal of techno.. There's plenty of other stuff to discover and enjoy of course

Example: I'd probably die if I ever heard this one live:

Oliver Ho - Sculpture B2

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Originally posted by harriz Ok I know I am going to hear a lot of s**t for saying this but I actually liked this album everybody else didn't care for. Hes my fave Dj/producer though so it might be the reason why I liked it and everybody else thought it was boring.

Ok. Now my turn to be honest. I haven't heard it yet! I'm starting from the earlier works and making my way up.

Feel the fire = house!

And I'll be honest again. It seems to me that with Garnier, it's either a hit out of the ballpark or an embrassing strikeout. I'm not getting any consistency on this album.

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Originally posted by nchs09 definition Techno : THIS Adam Beyer & Jesper Dahlback djmag covermount CD 01.We Are 1 - We Are Volume 1 02.Someone Else - Picture Perfect (Adam Beyer Remix) 03.Joel Mull - Fantastick 04.Mark&John - The Most Dangerous Animal In The Zoo 05.Smith&Selway - Silver Bullet 06.Par Grindvik - Nand 07.Adam Beyer - A Walking Contradiction Part 1 08.Ozgur Can - Mind Your Step 09.Cirez D - Untitled 10.John Dahlback - Glasshouses 11.Hugg&Pepp - Mazarin (Thomas Andersson Remix) 12.Dk7 - Where Is The Fun (Jesper Dahlback Remix) http://djmaya.com/01_dj_face_off_ad...dahlback-tp.mp3

ok nachos, let's get a few things straight
first of all, minimal is a prefix, regardless of whether you add "hard" to the name, it's still a prefix, and it started on stuff that was categorised by music fans aswell as record shops as techno, or minimal techno (basic channel, some underground resistance, hawtin, and more)

second of all, what you use here for your definition of techno is all stuff you'd find in the shops under minimal/tech house, deep/tech house (love that name for most of the minimal stuff coming from the former progressive house artists & jocks), or electro. with a few exceptions being from the swedish techno direction.

this is not present day techno as a whole, this is not the techno of the past as a whole, and it's mostly not techno.

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Originally posted by harriz Hes my fave Dj/producer though so it might be the reason why I liked it and everybody else thought it was boring.

That's not what you'd usually call techno though... it's more like... wacky abstract shit. I listened to it like 9 months ago, though, so I might be forgetting what it's actually like... but I got more of an acid jazz impression of it.

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Originally posted by basd Example: I'd probably die if I ever heard this one live: Oliver Ho - Sculpture B2

Tune!

And for the umpteenth time: minimal is not a genre, it's an approach to making music.

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Originally posted by Cobalt This always puzzled me, because everyone claims Jaguar is techno, but some elements seem quite more tech-housey to me: the instrumental percussion, the tropical riff, the disco-housey synthesized strings. But then again, I'm no techno expert, so I might be off.

I'd say Jaguar is modern-day detroit techno (it's from 99, it's not that old really). And detroit techno clearly has house elements, so it could be defined as classic tech-house. This tech-house is not to be compared to today's tech-house, though. Whatever the fuck that is. There are so many definitions of it; some call Sasha and the Angello/Ingrosso/whoever else-crew tech-house, then there's the Plastic City-type (The Timewriter, Terry Lee Brown Jr.) boring tech-house (bordering on deep house sometimes), then there's glitchy tech house (Poker Flat, Treibstoff) that Richie and Ricardo might throw into their sets...

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Originally posted by Staedtler it's detroit techno. the guys from do town have been making shit like that since 1986 at least. the strings aren't disco-housey. disco-house strings are filtered funk or direct samples of riffs out of disco songs. those 'disco-housey synthesized strings' are a throwback of early detroit techno. just listen to this track from derrick may made in '92 or this track made by kev, may, and juan in '86. they're just sort of wailing synth strings that detroit producers have used in their techno to add sort of a futuristic and soulful feel to their music. hey i know. go listen to the Mayday remix of Jaguar. Hahah. in fact, here's a sample of it. even more disco housey strings! lol. but yeah, obviously he heard the track and said "whoa, i did something exactly like this 10 years ago, here, let me do it how it's supposed to be done." right? but seriously, if anyone knows how to tweak those futuristic soul strings just the right way, it's Derrick May. he pretty much mastered that aspect of detroit techno. in fact he has some ambient tracks with nothing but those disco housey strings like....THIS ONE! as for the rest, how exactly would a "tropical riff" if jaguar had one, make it house? and why would percussion make it house? 99.999999999 percennt of techno tracks are built on percussion.

Thanks for the pointers. I understand what you mean now with regard to the Detroit sound of those string synths.

With regard to the percussion, I said instrumental percussion. I've always associated house with real instrumentation (albeit processed and looped), while I associate techno with the machine. I generally draw the line between the two genres at that. The samples you provide all speak from the machine, but to me, the percussion in Jaguar leans house.

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Originally posted by aerial I'd say Jaguar is modern-day detroit techno (it's from 99, it's not that old really). And detroit techno clearly has house elements, so it could be defined as classic tech-house. This tech-house is not to be compared to today's tech-house, though. Whatever the fuck that is. There are so many definitions of it; some call Sasha and the Angello/Ingrosso/whoever else-crew tech-house, then there's the Plastic City-type (The Timewriter, Terry Lee Brown Jr.) boring tech-house (bordering on deep house sometimes), then there's glitchy tech house (Poker Flat, Treibstoff) that Richie and Ricardo might throw into their sets...

Thanks for the info. This is all appreciated.

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Originally posted by Cobalt With regard to the percussion, I said instrumental percussion. I've always associated house with real instrumentation (albeit processed and looped), while I associate techno with the machine. I generally draw the line between the two genres at that. The samples you provide all speak from the machine, but to me, the percussion in Jaguar leans house.

percussion is percussion is percussion. you mean instrumental percussion like in Plastikman - Spastik or Patrik Skoog - Desolation A1? you know the drums, which are in a lot of techno tracks. i mean, instrumental percussion doesn't necessarily mean house music....

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Originally posted by 808303909 they're not techno, they're acid/acid-tech/acid house. would be apt for an acid thread, not a tech thread.

Bit self-contradictory?

Either way, Unsequenced and Paranoid Experience both sound like techno to a certain extent to me, though you're right that AJ aren't strictly techno, especially their early material.

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Originally posted by 808303909 Not quite, because then one may as well mention artists like ESP, Lochi, etc. who make a multitude of acid-tech, but I'd thought this was a straight-up tech thread, if one were especially to consider all the previous posts.

The previous posts have brought up minimal techno, detroit techno and tech house in addition to what you refer to as "straight up tech", so I see no reason to exclude anything as long as it is regarded as techno. Woody McBride and Acid Junkies more than qualify in that regard.

i'm starting to see the comedy aspect of this swedish house/electro/minimal bandwagon. it's really funny seeing people on the bandwagon who (for example) was listening to the most bigriffed epictrance just like 1 year ago trying to explain to people who do listen to techno much more and have a bigger knowledge of it what's techno is

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Originally posted by basd Most stuff mentioned here up to now is from either the deeper and more melodic side, or the altogether more minimal of techno.. There's plenty of other stuff to discover and enjoy of course Example: I'd probably die if I ever heard this one live: Oliver Ho - Sculpture B2

what a tune!
more like this pls...

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Originally posted by 808303909 Detroit tech can very well be 'straight-up tech,' not all of it is melodic and tech-housey.

but it is straight up tech, melodic or not. in fact there was a time when 'melodic' and 'tech-house' detroit techno was the ONLY tech. why isn't that 'straight-up tech'?

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Originally posted by 808303909 At any rate, acid is a genre, so it doesn't really belong here, but according to you, minimal isn't, so there's nothing awry with posting its corresponding artists.

You're right, acid and minimal aren't genres, but acid techno and minimal techno are. And this thread is about techno.

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Acid Junkies are not techno, nor should they be regarded as such, nor is acid part and parcel of it.

You still haven't said why. And I dunno about you, but this, especially the last two tracks: http://www.juno.co.uk/products/1321...=Acid%20Junkies sure sounds like techno to me.

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Originally posted by 808303909 That's what I was getting at, and it wasn't only Detroit techno in the early days that was melodic and tech-housey. It was early techno from all over the world that may be ascribed thus.

yeah, back in 1986 when all those tech producers from around the world were putting out their bangers.

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Originally posted by 808303909 I said acid is a genre, read my post aright next time around.

It is? I thought acid was just the term used for the sound created by the 303, not a genre in itself.

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Would be more meet to say, 'they aren't strictly [acid],' methinks.

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Acid Junkies are not techno, nor should they be regarded as such, nor is acid part and parcel of it.

So, AJ make techno. Does this not qualify them for this thread just like Woody McBride, as he's not "strictly acid" either?

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Originally posted by 808303909 I said acid is a genre, read my post aright next time around. And yes, I said minimal techno is techno as I said it's a substituent of it. Although now I realise my slight blunder as I meant constituent* rather than substituent.

a genre with endless suffixes from established genres? (ones that carry no controversy)
or a prefix to many established genres?

which makes more sense?

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