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No, they don't HAVE to do any such thing. I doubt they would live a hip hop lifestyle if they did not like and choose to live it, or if they preferred another lifestyle. There are many "black" people who do not live the hip hop lifestyle, and I fear you are probably succumbing to the stereotype of "all black people like rap and live the hip hop lifestyle" based on what you've seen on MTV and the relatively few black people who you have seen around you...

yeah they do, do you know any black people? my uni is around 30% black. all of them have to speak ebonics around other black people, and they tone it down around white people.

i knew TWO other white guys in high school that were into somewhat serious EDM

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Originally posted by mndeg yeah they do, do you know any black people? my uni is around 30% black. all of them have to speak ebonics around other black people, and they tone it down around white people.

I speak with a slight hispanic inflection to some words when i'm around hispanic people, yet i'm white. That's because I grew up around large numbers of hispanic people as well as whites, and it's just sort of an unconcious thing that happens. Had it ever occured to you that a similar situation might be happening with "all" or some of these "30%" of blacks in your UNI which you have met and had the chance to observe the social behaviors of? Or even another explanation besides that they are forced to? Because the claim that they all HAVE to act a certain way, or even that they all DO act a certain way, holds very little water, mostly due to each claim's logically fallacious reasoning and lack of proof.

they either conform or get outcasted. simple

and i think the liberal - edm tie is pretty much true.
a lot of trance producers are from netherlands, the most liberal country in the world.

not much edm comes from governments with oppressive policies.

edit: I think stuff like that is hard to explain to white people in America because they are the majority, they have diverse portrayals in the media

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Originally posted by Aiwendil Aaannd....that's where trance was invented. By white guys. Though techno and house and rap were invented in the US and they're "dominated" by "black" people.

lol i've never heard than blacks dominate techno and house??? Rap yea, but blacks dont dominate any edm at all.

^^Like I said, Techno and House were invented by "black" people, and hence have stylistic influences from African Music. Perhaps now they aren't "dominated" by black people, but there was a time when ONLY black people made both Techno and House. And Rap IS EDM.

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Originally posted by mndeg they either conform or get outcasted. simple

If you're right, that's not to say they'd speak or act differently were they not outcasted. Very likely the ones who speak and act a certain way would speak and act the same way regardless, because of their upbringing and the people they were surrounded by for most of their life.

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and i think the liberal - edm tie is pretty much true. a lot of trance producers are from netherlands, the most liberal country in the world. not much edm comes from governments with oppressive policies.

No, you don't make a tie at all. You make a causal fallacy. A lot of trance producers were from Germany in the early 90's. Very soon after the Berlin Wall fell. Perhaps before. Opress much? Much too much. Acid House flourished in a repressed 80's Britain. Which race dominates a style of EDM has had little to do with how liberal a country is. Which country produces the most EDM may or may not have something to do with how liberal it was or is at a given time, but that's a different premise altogether.

If by "governments with oppressive policies" you mean places like China or Iran...a lot of stuff doesn't come from those countries. A lot does. Perhaps if they were more liberal people would make more EDM there, and perhaps not. How can you say? You can't, really, can you.

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edit: I think stuff like that is hard to explain to white people in America because they are the majority, they have diverse portrayals in the media

Here you go with your racial comments again. My race has no bearing upon the validity of my statements.

did they produce when oppressed? no. later on german becamse a pretty liberal country.
china in comparison to japan, has much less known EDM producers. and muuuuuch more people
(obviously) there are more civil liberties in japan.

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Originally posted by mndeg did they produce when oppressed? no. later on german becamse a pretty liberal country. china in comparison to japan, has much less known EDM producers. and muuuuuch more people (obviously) there are more civil liberties in japan.

There is also much more technology and a higher standard of living in Japan. There are many possible reasons for there being more EDM producers in Japan than China, only one being that there is less oppression. Nevertheless, I don't see what all this has to do with the topic. Unless you're trying to say that "white" people wouldn't dominate trance if China and India and similar countries were less oppressed. As if all of the sudden millions of people would take up synthesizers as they had always dreamed during their lives working in the rice fields and start making really kickass EDM. It's more of a standard of living and poverty issue than an oppression issue. There's a vibrant club and EDM scene in Hong Kong, but that's to be expected in the most advanced city. Elsewhere, it's not the same.

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Originally posted by mndeg did they produce when oppressed? no. later on german becamse a pretty liberal country. china in comparison to japan, has much less known EDM producers. and muuuuuch more people (obviously) there are more civil liberties in japan.

There is also much more technology and a higher standard of living in Japan. There are many possible reasons for there being more EDM producers in Japan than China, only one being that there is less oppression. Nevertheless, I don't see what all this has to do with the topic. Unless you're trying to say that "white" people wouldn't dominate trance if China and India and similar countries were less oppressed. As if all of the sudden millions of people would take up synthesizers as they had always dreamed during their lives working in the rice fields and start making really kickass EDM. It's more of a standard of living and poverty issue than an oppression issue. There's a vibrant club and EDM scene in Hong Kong, but that's to be expected in the most advanced city. Elsewhere, it's not the same. Are people less oppressed in Hong Kong than in other places in China?

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Originally posted by mndeg did they produce when oppressed? no. later on german becamse a pretty liberal country. china in comparison to japan, has much less known EDM producers. and muuuuuch more people (obviously) there are more civil liberties in japan.

There is also much more technology and a higher standard of living in Japan. Japan pioneered most synthesizer and drum machine developments between the late 70's and early 90's. There are many possible reasons for there being more EDM producers in Japan than China, only one being that there is less oppression. Nevertheless, I don't see what all this has to do with the topic. Unless you're trying to say that "white" people wouldn't dominate trance if China and India and similar countries were less oppressed. As if all of the sudden millions of people would take up synthesizers as they had always dreamed of during their lives working in the rice fields fantasizing about Tiesto, and start making really kickass trance. It's more of a standard of living and poverty issue than an oppression issue. Possibly.

Oh well. I'm outsky. I just realized why I stopped doing this. Because it sucks.

This thread reallllllly shows the true side of how some people think...

Why is there award ceremonys solely for "black" music, Hence the M.O.B.O awards (Music Of Black Origin). I dont see any M.O.W.O. awards around

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Originally posted by knoxy5000 Why is there award ceremonys solely for "black" music, Hence the M.O.B.O awards (Music Of Black Origin). I dont see any M.O.W.O. awards around

Because in the whole scheme of things, not much good music is made by white people.

Duh!

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Originally posted by Wyndham lol i've never heard than blacks dominate techno and house??? Rap yea, but blacks dont dominate any edm at all.

Kevin Saunderson, Derrick May and Juan Atkins (sometimes refered to as the founders of techno) are all black.

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Originally posted by dinoXpress Because in the whole scheme of things, not much good music is made by white people. Duh!

.....Other than all the music not included in the MOBO's..... and the last time i checked the MOBOS were crap

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Originally posted by messytechie .....Other than all the music not included in the MOBO's..... and the last time i checked the MOBOS were crap

This I do not know.

I've got a reason...


oh... wait a minute... no i don't

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Originally posted by Aiwendil ^^Like I said, Techno and House were invented by "black" people, and hence have stylistic influences from African Music. Perhaps now they aren't "dominated" by black people, but there was a time when ONLY black people made both Techno and House. And Rap IS EDM.

I didn't kno that was true, that only blacks made techno and house?? anyone else wanna verify this?

I kno people catorigise rap as edm, but its so completely different that its kinda pointless puttin it under edm just cause they uses samples and loops and have a very basic basic electronic music pattern.

electronic dance music, i dont consider rap dance music, eventhough its obvious u can dance to it. And yea its electronic to a point, but compared to house, trance, techno, its no where near the same and i dont think should be put in the same catagory

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Originally posted by Wyndham electronic dance music, i dont consider rap dance music, eventhough its obvious u can dance to it.

it is considered EDM because it is made using electronic equipment
(drum machines, sequencers.. etc...)
there is absolutely no real instruments used
plain and simple

Dead wrong. It totally depends on the hip hop artist. Dr. dre uses real instruments all the time. Almost all of his basslines from Chronic 2001 were performed and recorded from a real bassist. Kanye west records real string musicians on almost all of his beats. Outkast record real brass musicians. The Roots are almost entirely instrumental, even the drums are recorded.

Hip Hop has a lot of electronic elements... but the majority of people who actually listen to it would not refer to it as EDM.

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Originally posted by Dj Havoc Your such a retard Im not even going to post again with any regards to you its a waste of time. I started a new account because I asked Swamper and that was between me and him you dont know the story and I know you just want to start a argument but Im not going to stoop to you childish level.Im way beyond that , Im not one of these noobs on TA who will get angry over a post so try it with someone else because it won't work with me. You dont have to believe me, I really don't care what you think, Why would I want to lie about this, Im not gaining anything from it.

Actually - you are not beyond that - your first account 'THE ROOKIE' was suspended because you were acting like an ass on the forums. You didn't like my reply in a thread and as such left me this feedback:

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Since I see that your probably never going to reopen my account.. I'll talk to some people about shuting this site down for unfair practices [I saved the statements everyone made and highlighted the statement you made about me and grammar school, very unproffesional]. It's either you re-open my account for that bullshit that happened or I go and talk to some guys about shutting this site and if not that I will definately talk to these 2 very good Hackers I know personally and just ruin your little site. Do the right thing and there won't be any more problems.

Sorry, you're not welcome here. Bye.

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Originally posted by Swamper Actually - you are not beyond that - your first account 'THE ROOKIE' was suspended because you were acting like an ass on the forums. You didn't like my reply in a thread and as such left me this feedback: Sorry, you're not welcome here. Bye.

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how old is he anyway? 12?
that's hilarious

now me and Neo have super mods, no1 is safe.

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Originally posted by Azz3D it is considered EDM because it is made using electronic equipment (drum machines, sequencers.. etc...) there is absolutely no real instruments used plain and simple

lol i see, you obviously kno a lot about rap/hiphop

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Since I see that your probably never going to reopen my account.. I'll talk to some people about shuting this site down for unfair practices [I saved the statements everyone made and highlighted the statement you made about me and grammar school, very unproffesional].

It's either you re-open my account for that bullshit that happened or I go and talk to some guys about shutting this site and if not that I will definately talk to these 2 very good Hackers I know personally and just ruin your little site. Do the right thing and there won't be any more problems.



haha...i almost dont believe my eyes

Thats just a classic PM. I would love one of those in my mail box

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It's either you re-open my account for that bullshit that happened or I go and talk to some guys about shutting this site and if not that I will definately talk to these 2 very good Hackers I know personally and just ruin your little site. Do the right thing and there won't be any more problems.

It's a good thing he said that, since hacking is a cybercrime that is punishable by law, and this PM can be admissable as evidence in a court of law should he carry out his threats. The mens rea is already there, making it a short case.

IANAL

Of course these are empty threats. REAL hackers or people who know them wouldn't threaten. They'd just go ahead and do it and leave no trace. If he does have hacker friends, they won't hack you now. He's exposed them to criminal intent. Hackers are smarter than that, and generally most hackers do not hack to destroy. If he doesn't have hacker friends, that explains why you haven't been hacked, and likely never will.

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