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btw...anyone notice that Harper is now explicitly telling Quebec voters that a vote for the Bloq is a waste?

amazing that the Liberals are ripped when they suggest the same thing about an NDP vote.

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Originally posted by MarkT btw...anyone notice that Harper is now explicitly telling Quebec voters that a vote for the Bloq is a waste? amazing that the Liberals are ripped when they suggest the same thing about an NDP vote.

however the NDP still has a remote chance at forming a government. The bloc will never be able to do this.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 however the NDP still has a remote chance at forming a government. The bloc will never be able to do this.

you're kidding right. That is not a justification by any means. Forming government is not the only reason to vote for a person or party. The Bloc does a good job of representing Quebec's interests..... if you're a Quebecer then having the Bloc hold a great deal of seats is good for you..... especially in a minority situation.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 however the NDP still has a remote chance at forming a government. The bloc will never be able to do this.

so what? why is that the standard by which it's "ok" or not?

yeah, in theory the NDP could...yet the Bloq holds nearly 3x as many seats as the NDP...so while "in theory" the NDP could form a gov't, they won't...and everyone involved, including Layton, knows it. Further, because they hold more seats, the CPC is actually trying to lure away MORE votes than Martin was by appealing to the NDP!

for the purposes of THIS election, Harper is doing the *exact* same thing as Martin.

I'm not saying it's right or wrong...but let's all criticize him the same way as we do Martin.

you're the 'double standard' hater, right?

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Originally posted by MarkT I'm not saying it's right or wrong...but let's all criticize him the same way as we do Martin. you're the 'double standard' hater, right?

Mark, you know that simply won't happen. For the time being the Conservatives can do no wrong. He'll justify it somehow. Now, I predict that after 4 years of a majority conservative government Jay will have the same stance regarding them as he currently has with the Liberals.

it's quite the priveleged position for Harper, isn't it?

no matter what he does, the Liberals have done the same or worse...so he's almost exempt from criticism.

all parties do the same shit...and you're right, in 4 years everyone will realize this (assuming a CPC win).

While this many years of Liberal gov't has made them complacent and arrogant, and pissed people off, it's also resulted in people forgetting that EVERY party does the same shit

we will likely get a majority conservative govt - they will be in for 1, 2 terms, who cares - after a while they will be plauged with scandal, and have done this wrong and this wrong, and my god the fresh new liberals are so amazing.. blah blah...

the never ending circle of political life..

I'm voting.

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Originally posted by MarkT it's quite the priveleged position for Harper, isn't it? no matter what he does, the Liberals have done the same or worse...so he's almost exempt from criticism. all parties do the same shit...and you're right, in 4 years everyone will realize this (assuming a CPC win). While this many years of Liberal gov't has made them complacent and arrogant, and pissed people off, it's also resulted in people forgetting that EVERY party does the same shit

ding ding, just like harpers promises to do this adn that yet there simply isnt money for it.

i still dont know who im voting for. It will NOT be conservative though.

i have always been against 1 issue parties. so in this case for me personally its not a double standard. I have never waivered on my position when it comes to a 1 issue seperatist party. A vote for them IS a waste. A vote for the NDP is not.

And if corruption and scandel happens and is rampant and not dealt with in a good way like the case of the Liberals, then i will be calling for harper to step down as well. But they will have to do a lot of wrong to even hold a candle to what the liberals have accomplished.

the conservatives have never done wrong in the past?

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Originally posted by Euphorica the conservatives have never done wrong in the past?

mulroney's conservatives were almost a whole generation and 2 parties ago.

Let's see what these new guys can do for us. If they screw up, out they go! Thats why we have elections every 4 years.

If we dont kick out parties when they do us wrong we might has well just settle for a dictatorship.

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Originally posted by MarkT btw...anyone notice that Harper is now explicitly telling Quebec voters that a vote for the Bloq is a waste? amazing that the Liberals are ripped when they suggest the same thing about an NDP vote.

I think that's really the least of what the Liberals have been "ripped" for. Are you actually following this campaign?

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Originally posted by MarkT all parties do the same shit...and you're right, in 4 years everyone will realize this (assuming a CPC win). While this many years of Liberal gov't has made them complacent and arrogant, and pissed people off, it's also resulted in people forgetting that EVERY party does the same shit

You and the other liberals keep saying this but it simply isn't true. No Conservative party in the past has performed even remotely so poorly or been involved in as many scandals as the Chretien/Martin Liberals. Not even any previous Liberal government has been that bad - Trudeau government messed things up plenty but at least that was out of idealism and not entitlement.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 mulroney's conservatives were almost a whole generation and 2 parties ago.

Yes, it's true that it's not even the same party and that it was over a decade ago. Regardless, who cares? Mulroney screwed up a few things but he also did a lot of positive things (like NAFTA) to clean up the mess that Trudeau made. And yes, he introduced the GST, but that was only to replace a higher, more complicated tax that happened to be less visible.

I didn't mean the corruption/scandal by "the same shit"...I just meant the same typical political tactics (like calling for strategic voting).

you realize that you did it AGAIN in your first reply, right? (pointing to another issue instead of answering my actual point)...I see a pattern

My last words; (I think)

to a gathering in British Columbia when Martin turns to Harper and
says, chuckling,

"You know, I could throw a $1000 bill out the window right now
and make someone very happy."

Harper shrugs and replies, "Well, I could
throw ten $100 bills out the window and make ten people happy."

Not to be outdone, Layton says, "Well I could throw a hundred $10 bills
out the
window and make a hundred people happy."

The pilot rolls his eyes and says to his co-pilot,
"Such arrogant asses back there.
Hell, I could throw all three of them out the window and make
32 million people happy."

Happy Voting!!!!!!

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Originally posted by Jayx1 mulroney's conservatives were almost a whole generation and 2 parties ago. Let's see what these new guys can do for us. If they screw up, out they go! Thats why we have elections every 4 years. If we dont kick out parties when they do us wrong we might has well just settle for a dictatorship.

Well Jay...it's not often that I agree with you but I have to agree with the above.

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