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Originally posted by Cuervo79 That doesn't make real sence, so to you if the fur industry killed the animals and USED ALL of the animal not just the fur it would be OK? I don't see it as a fucked upt view, if you say "that video is inhumane and they should skin those people alive" I understand your viewpoint, but what you are saying is don't use fur unless you use the whole animal as meat and you are in a society that lives by hunting animals for food. As I said I don't like fur, but if someone else does that doesn't mean they are bad people. Yes there are inhumane people like the ones in the video. But that doesn't mean it gives someone the right to say all of the fur industry is fucked up.

No, the whole fur industry is fucked up.

Before ivory ban people used to say the same thing about Ivory industry, that mass culling is a rare thing and blah blah blah.

Killing bears for one tiny piece of bladder, killing whole bloody shark for one fin, skinning 13 puppies alive for one fur coat is just wrong.

Fur industry is not an organised sector, their are NO norms, they dont breed animals for fur. They just poach wild animals and skin it alive.

Remember breeding sheep for wool and skinning animals for fur is not same.

So how does it feel, little boys and girls, to get just a small dose of reality?

There is quite a lot of ugliness in this world. Keep your eyes open, and you'll see far uglier things than this. But I doubt many of you will keep your eyes open - you poked your head out into the real world, and you found something that offended your na�ve sensibilities. Now you will scuttle back home and hide under your bed, satisfied that you at least exhibited the proper degree of outrage at what, you'll tell yourself, is an act uncharacteristic of the natural balance of our world.

Wear fur and that video isn't going to change my mind. I've been to fur farms before and it's not inhumane like that.

i always wanted to know how those small hairless dogs got that way.

j/k. god that was aweful. just when i think man cant get any more cruel i'm proven wrong

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Originally posted by Lepanto Wear fur and that video isn't going to change my mind. I've been to fur farms before and it's not inhumane like that.

I am starting to believe that you only disagree to stand out from others.

The vedio posted by the thread starter is actually from a 'Fur Farm'.

You can get the full vedio of it
here.

Its kindda a sad that you hang out places like that being a tourist and possibly to get a bargain at the fur.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/526107.stm

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Originally posted by Purple I am starting to believe that you only disagree to stand out from others. The vedio posted by the thread starter is actually from a 'Fur Farm'. You can get the full vedio of it here. Its kindda a sad that you hang out places like that being a tourist and possibly to get a bargain at the fur. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/526107.stm

ok I read the article, but where is the proof that the mink farmer is being inhumane? The article just states that the UK government is thinking in banning the mink farms. I see no evidence in the article of inhumane treatment so your point is... and the first URL you sent is of a chinese fur farm, which I would imagine that they don't have any real pressure from activists to stop the inhumane treatment, while in other places where they can, like the one in the second article they have changed somewhat to be more humane.

So where is the proof that in places where activists can put pressure to their cause there are still animals being tortured or treated inhumanely like the first video in the thtread.

I'm ok with people who fight for a more "humane" treatment of animals, I'm not ok with people that say we shouldn't eat meat or make garments out of animals out of vanity because its wrong, that's their poing of view.

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Originally posted by Purple I am starting to believe that you only disagree to stand out from others. The vedio posted by the thread starter is actually from a 'Fur Farm'. You can get the full vedio of it here. Its kindda a sad that you hang out places like that being a tourist and possibly to get a bargain at the fur. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/526107.stm

A fur farm in China, dingleberry. I highly doubt most of the fur trade comes from China.

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Originally posted by Cuervo79 ok I read the article, but where is the proof that the mink farmer is being inhumane?

Mink are usually gassed or violently injected with poison. Many just have their necks broken or are asphixiated. An undercover investigation found that some minks are killed with weed killers, which can cause the animals to convulse for up to 10 minutes before death. On average it takes like 7 Minks to make one Fur coat.

The chinchilla industry proudly admits that most chinchillas are killed by neck breaking or electrocution. Many chinchilla farmers hook one metal clamp to the ear, and another to her genitalia to implement the electrocution of this poor creature. The chinchilla is small, and it takes as many as 100 of them to die in order to make a single full-length fur coat. The fur trade calls this "humane".

These methods are not 100 percent effective and most animals "wake up" while being skinned.

Here is one pic, it wont touch you, but believe me you should see it live in a farm, and hear all the squirming she makes before dieing. I saw it on one vedio and that Mink actually jumped from one side of table to other for like 15 minutes, before the 'Farmer' broke her head with one iron rod to stop the 'noise' she was making.

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Originally posted by Purple Mink are usually gassed or violently injected with poison. Many just have their necks broken or are asphixiated. An undercover investigation found that some minks are killed with weed killers, which can cause the animals to convulse for up to 10 minutes before death. On average it takes like 7 Minks to make one Fur coat. The chinchilla industry proudly admits that most chinchillas are killed by neck breaking or electrocution. Many chinchilla farmers hook one metal clamp to the ear, and another to her genitalia to implement the electrocution of this poor creature. The chinchilla is small, and it takes as many as 100 of them to die in order to make a single full-length fur coat. The fur trade calls this "humane". These methods are not 100 percent effective and most animals "wake up" while being skinned.

And the proof is where? also, what procedure is 100% effective, did you read your own article on the mink? in the article a veterinary (can't really remember the detail on the credentials) said that the mink couln't smell the gas.
You're just stating your opinion.. And while that is great, you're stating it as a fact.
If you hate people in the fur industry because of what they do, fine but don't go and say Stop what you're doing because its inhumane, even thought the people like the one in the article in the UK are scrutinized (sp?) allot for what they do and they HAVE changed the way they killed their animals to a more "humane" way of doing it.

IF that to you is still inhumane and you would like for them to not kill the animals at all because of vanity that is again your opinion.

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Originally posted by Cuervo79 And the proof is where? also, what procedure is 100% effective, did you read your own article on the mink? in the article a veterinary (can't really remember the detail on the credentials) said that the mink couln't smell the gas. You're just stating your opinion.. And while that is great, you're stating it as a fact. If you hate people in the fur industry because of what they do, fine but don't go and say Stop what you're doing because its inhumane, even thought the people like the one in the article in the UK are scrutinized (sp?) allot for what they do and they HAVE changed the way they killed their animals to a more "humane" way of doing it.

Yes, those are my opinions and what I have heard from others in Leather and Fur Industry. 10 puppies = 1 human coat I think is enough for me call it inhumane.

You can get proof/info on Fur trade at this website:

http://www.mercyforanimals.org/fur_farms.asp

Only if you beleive them because they are not published by CIA but by an NGO.

that's not proof, show me a neutral website that posts information.

To end the discussion (sp?) you already stated that it is your opinion. And I said that If its your opinion its great, but don't state it as a fact, just because you think its wrong and it should be stoped.

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Originally posted by Cuervo79 that's not proof, show me a neutral website that posts information. To end the discussion (sp?) you already stated that it is your opinion. And I said that If its your opinion its great, but don't state it as a fact, just because you think its wrong and it should be stoped.

I like you.

that is one of the most disgusting things i have ever seen

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Originally posted by Pariah Cleric I like you.

I'm honored

Jesus Christ. I've sat here in silence for a good ten minutes, absolutely disgusted at that video. There's some sick stuff going around on the internt these days, but that took the cake. I honestly cant believe people can bring themselves to do things like that. But like Arbiter said, that stuff goes on all the time and most people are none the wiser. The phrase 'ignorance is bliss' springs to mind.

I feel sick.

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Originally posted by Cuervo79 that's not proof

You see for me its a common knowledge, I have seen Minks waking up alive in between the skinning process and have seen how they resort to cannabilism and neurotic behavior before being killed my neck breaking from shoes.

But I cant provide with any 'proof letter' signed by Kofi Anan that such things are all too common in Fur Industry.

what are the measures taken to stop this??

I mean seriously this is the 21st century. We've evolved long enough to know this is wrong??

I thought TV, movies, and video games were supposed to have desensitized you people.

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Originally posted by Purple Atleast it helps in keeping the prices high.

you don't know alot about economics, do you? higher prices simply mean higher demand. in other words, because this thing gets more and more popular, more and more people are willing to buy it for a higher price. the market price indicates the demand level. if a supplier sold the item for $100, then because of the demand increase he decided to sell it for $200, and saw that the profits were hurt, he will have absolutely no problem in switching back to $100.

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Originally posted by Radagast I thought TV, movies, and video games were supposed to have desensitized you people.

don't tell me you personally didn't feel anything watching this video

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Originally posted by Jocker don't tell me you personally didn't feel anything watching this video

Let me see. Personally I thought, "Ouch! That looks like it hurts!", a thought probably brought on by my brain's ability to imagine what it's like to be skinned alive and have that imagination triggered by seeing something being skinned alive. But I wouldn't say I felt the coon's pain, because I really wasn't hurt in any way, and imagined pain isn't real pain. I guess that my ability to empathize in this way made me feel a little sorry for the coon at first even though it does him no good now he's dead, and wouldn't have even when he was alive. You see, I am not without emotion.

OMG! OMG! what a bun ch of fecking ******s!!!!

i love animals, if i saw this in person i would have personally killed that fecking ****** myself! brutal monster

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Originally posted by Jocker you don't know alot about economics, do you? higher prices simply mean higher demand. in other words, because this thing gets more and more popular, more and more people are willing to buy it for a higher price. the market price indicates the demand level. if a supplier sold the item for $100, then because of the demand increase he decided to sell it for $200, and saw that the profits were hurt, he will have absolutely no problem in switching back to $100.

Fur is classified under Luxury Goods and when it comes to luxury items, pricing is not determined by demand and supply theory; rather the seller and its marketing strategy determines the selling price.

To make it more clear to you I take one hypothetical example: You get one genuine leather bag in a decent store costing you around 50 dollars, but if you buy the same leather bad from Louis Vuitton / Armada / Prada etc. showroom it will cost you more than 500 bucks. Here high prices dosent mean that Louis Vuitton / Armada / Prada leather bags are highly in demand and they are out of stock thats why they are charging 450 bucks more than any local store.

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Originally posted by Purple Fur is classified under Luxury Goods and when it comes to luxury items, pricing is not determined by demand and supply theory; rather the seller and its marketing strategy determines the selling price. To make it more clear to you I take one hypothetical example: You get one genuine leather bag in a decent store costing you around 50 dollars, but if you buy the same leather bad from Louis Vuitton / Armada / Prada etc. showroom it will cost you more than 500 bucks. Here high prices dosent mean that Louis Vuitton / Armada / Prada leather bags are highly in demand and they are out of stock thats why they are charging 450 bucks more than any local store.

i bet you havent seen the video

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Originally posted by Purple Fur is classified under Luxury Goods and when it comes to luxury items, pricing is not determined by demand and supply theory; rather the seller and its marketing strategy determines the selling price. To make it more clear to you I take one hypothetical example: You get one genuine leather bag in a decent store costing you around 50 dollars, but if you buy the same leather bad from Louis Vuitton / Armada / Prada etc. showroom it will cost you more than 500 bucks. Here high prices dosent mean that Louis Vuitton / Armada / Prada leather bags are highly in demand and they are out of stock thats why they are charging 450 bucks more than any local store.

What if people don't want to buy Louis Vuitton / Armada / Prada anymore? Would they drop their prices? (you're paying for a brand btw, which has nothing to do with fur).

































The answer is: yes

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