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And i doubt that football fans would lose interest in football becouse the big club win the title over and over again

I'm allready losing interest.


It looks like Barca, Lyon, Chelsea, Juventus and Munich will win their national championships 4 or 5 gamedays before the season is over.

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Originally posted by hardstyle Well why dont we just get rid of the teams which arent in the big cities , get rid of relegation and promotion, select the best players out of teams from London and create only one team, get rid of the 3 man substitution and bring unlimited subs , rename football clubs to soccer teams , give football teams idiotic names like London Rockets or Liverpool Pubchewers , get rid of the Barclays premier league and rename it to National Soccer League and get an event called Super Plate then i guess footy would be more exiting ?!

Naming the teams "Cowboys", "Yankees", "Sharks" or "Canadians" has a positive influence on selling shirts and other marketing stuff in the USA.

In Europe people buy boring shirts with advertising on it from teams that have boring names and logos.


And it's allready the situation that only teams from big cities with big markets have a lot of money and success. So why don't take these super teams and let them play against each other the whole year instead of only having 13 champions league games of the favourite club.

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Originally posted by Rockabye Yes but until the first elimination round you'll normally only have 2 interesting team in each group. Wouldn't it be great to see games like Real vs Juventus, Chelsea vs Bayern Munich and Barcelona vs Manu every week?

So do you think Europeans are so rich so they can travel to other countries every week to watch a football game ?

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Originally posted by Rockabye I'm allready losing interest. It looks like Barca, Lyon, Chelsea, Juventus and Munich will win their national championships 4 or 5 gamedays before the season is over.

ok you the only one who does. I been watching football for 20 years and since i moved to America i still watch football, i dont watch American sports on the tely

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Originally posted by Rockabye If I look at Bayern Munich, there bench players are more worthful than the top 11 of half of the Bundesliga.

Why is that exactly a problem? They're there because they signed a contract to and get paid a lot, so no sympathy from my side. And anyway, nowadays most players get pissed off and make a big scene if they stay 2 months without a place in the 1st eleven..

I guess your points is that we must spread the good players between all teams, as well as the shit ones? Well this way you're never going to see a great team.. that's just some sort of communism where mediocricity would spread over every squad.

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Of course there are some surprises but some teams will in fact never win the title. A lot of teams will a always play in the last 1/3 of the league and try to stay in the league.

Just consider something: in America the leagues are closed and composed of 20 teams or so. In Europe every club pyramid system has hundreds, thousands of teams. So no wonder some will always be shit. But it gives an opportunity to everyone and makes it "official", where in America it just looks like a private club and no-one gets a chance of entering it. This can be pretty much generalized to all the arguments you've made for the american system: i much prefer liberal regulations open to everyone to restrict severely controlled leagues.

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While the top teams get more and more money out of TV Deals most teams stay at the same level and so the gap between the rich teams and the poorer ones will become bigger and bigger.

This phenomenon seemed more serious a couple years ago when record transfer fees were multiplying like crazy. Nowadays even the big ones lose money so eventually they'll crash if they don't watch themselves. I don't think TV deals are as harsh as you're making them to be, just the fact a certain team spends a whole season in top league can make loads of revenue (in the top leagues, as in Portugal pretty much everyone is certain to just raise debt)

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I don't think that we will have many surprises in the big europeans leagues in the next years and some day the fans will loose their intereset in this sport if only the same teams play for championship.

Lose interest in the sport? That has never happened, so why now? There have been some awfully boring dominating forces in the past. And by the way the Champions League just had 2 completely surprising winners the past 2 seasons - I believe the current format is excellent for that.

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Montreal Canadians, New York Yankees, Green Bay Packers, Pittsburgh Steelers, Dallas Cowboys, San Francisco 49ers, Boston Celtics, Los Angeles Lakers...these teams have so much tradition all european clubs can only dream about. For a season ticket of the Green Bay Packers you have to wait 30 years on the waiting list!!!

All european clubs can only dream about?! That's a little bit of an over-statement! All those clubs you've mentioned before (Barcelona, Milan, ...) have tons of tradition. Personally I've never heard of Montreal Canadians, Green Bay Pakcers and Dallas Cowboys. The Steelers I've heard of them for the first time the day the last Superbowl went live.

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I like the american transfer market too. Instead of buying players out of teams with money they mostly trade them for other players or future draft picks. This would give smaller european teams a chance to trade their talented youth players for some older good ones. Normally they get money but with this money they couldn't buy stars because these stars would't sign for smaller clubs in province.

I don't like this system, but it might just be a consequence of the absolute nightmare it was playing in the MLS in Football Manager. What would the clubs do to their money? Doesn't this restrict the clubs' signing options a bit?

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I know this is an idea most people won't like, but in my opinion it would be the best thing if the biggest european clubs form some european super league. Chelsea, Manu, Arsenal, Liverpool, Bayern Munich, Barcelona, Real Madrid, Juventus, AC Milan, Inter Mailand and some others have much more money than the rest of their national league teams. Putting the 30 top teams in Europe in one league and having them play against each other with some play-offs at the end of the season instead of the national cups would make the league more even and more exciting...

Now for this I'm really against. And it doesn't make sense at all to me considering your previous arguments. What you're defending there is a huge monster of TV revenues that would make the rich clubs much, much richer. But what really puzzles me is how in hell would this fit with the current system? Drop the big teams from their national leagues?! Do you have any idea how many matches players already make per season, and how many matches would such a competition mean per season as well? Do you realise this kind of big league system minimises surprises as opposite to knockout systems? And how would the qualification for this league work? Closed system as in America?! That would be unbelievably unfair to the other million clubs out there!

Champions League currently is perfect already and features already enough big name teams.. please leave it as it is.

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Originally posted by Rockabye Naming the teams "Cowboys", "Yankees", "Sharks" or "Canadians" has a positive influence on selling shirts and other marketing stuff in the USA. In Europe people buy boring shirts with advertising on it from teams that have boring names and logos. And it's allready the situation that only teams from big cities with big markets have a lot of money and success. So why don't take these super teams and let them play against each other the whole year instead of only having 13 champions league games of the favourite club.

Boring names ? Feyenoord, Barcelona, Ajax, Liverpool, West Ham, Bayern, Deportivo La Coruna arent boring, i found American sport shirts dull and uninteresting. Shirt with the number on 5 different places? Are these peoples stupid to remebr the number so they need it everywhere

By the way, having 5 matches on a Man Utd-Juventus level every week would be an absolute overkill and make them stupidly vulgar. Why do you think the World Cup is so special? Because it's played every 4 years, not every week!

i think that super league would get really boring after 2 years if it has the same 20 teams

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Originally posted by paranoik0 Why is that exactly a problem? They're there because they signed a contract to and get paid a lot, so no sympathy from my side. And anyway, nowadays most players get pissed off and make a big scene if they stay 2 months without a place in the 1st eleven..

Rich teams can buy young talent from small teams so small teams stay small while rich teams put good players on the bench.

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I guess your points is that we must spread the good players between all teams, as well as the shit ones? Well this way you're never going to see a great team.. that's just some sort of communism where mediocricity would spread over every squad.

In the USA you always have teams with many great stars.

And the USA are far away from communisum.

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Just consider something: in America the leagues are closed and composed of 20 teams or so.

Today it's allround 30 in the major professional leagues. But you have a lot of minor leagues in each sport of course.

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In Europe every club pyramid system has hundreds, thousands of teams. So no wonder some will always be shit. But it gives an opportunity to everyone and makes it "official", where in America it just looks like a private club and no-one gets a chance of entering it. This can be pretty much generalized to all the arguments you've made for the american system: i much prefer liberal regulations open to everyone to restrict severely controlled leagues.

Well you can let the worst teams of the regular season play against the best teams from the national leagues to defend their place in the "super league".

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This phenomenon seemed more serious a couple years ago when record transfer fees were multiplying like crazy. Nowadays even the big ones lose money so eventually they'll crash if they don't watch themselves.

In Germany teams like Schalke 04 and Borussia Dortmund have to pay 80 or millions to the banks. Their fight with Bayern Munich cost a lot of money and finally they lost it because they paid too much money for bad players...

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I don't think TV deals are as harsh as you're making them to be, just the fact a certain team spends a whole season in top league can make loads of revenue (in the top leagues, as in Portugal pretty much everyone is certain to just raise debt)

In Germany the teams don't make their TV deals themselves with a certain station but the league sold them and decides how to share it with the teams. And they decided to give the best teams much more money than the bad teams.

This way the bad teams will stay bad while the good teams will stay on top.

Bayern Munich wins championship after championship while the same 2-3 teams fight for the Champions League each year. Than there are 3-4 teams which fight for UEFA Cup. It gets boring.

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Lose interest in the sport? That has never happened, so why now? There have been some awfully boring dominating forces in the past. And by the way the Champions League just had 2 completely surprising winners the past 2 seasons - I believe the current format is excellent for that.

They were surprises around the top teams in europe but in their national leagues it was no big surprise that they earned a spot in the champions league.

The Pittsburgh Steelers won the Super Bowl this year out of nowhere too. They defeated the best 4 teams of the NFL to capture the Championship. Something that was never done before.

Most of the season it looked like the Indianapolis Colts will go through. They had a 13-0 start but than lost to the Steelers in a dramatic play-off-game.

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All european clubs can only dream about?! That's a little bit of an over-statement! All those clubs you've mentioned before (Barcelona, Milan, ...) have tons of tradition. Personally I've never heard of Montreal Canadians, Green Bay Pakcers and Dallas Cowboys. The Steelers I've heard of them for the first time the day the last Superbowl went live.

The Montreal Canadians or New York Yankees allready won a lot of championships in the early 20th century. And the Pittsburgh Steelers had a dynasty in the 70's.

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I don't like this system, but it might just be a consequence of the absolute nightmare it was playing in the MLS in Football Manager. What would the clubs do to their money? Doesn't this restrict the clubs' signing options a bit?

With the trade-format and a salary cap success isn't just based on the money a team can pay for their players.

And with the annual draft where the worst teams can pick the best fresh talent, you give them a chance to improve their team or trade these talents away for other players.

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Now for this I'm really against. And it doesn't make sense at all to me considering your previous arguments. What you're defending there is a huge monster of TV revenues that would make the rich clubs much, much richer. But what really puzzles me is how in hell would this fit with the current system? Drop the big teams from their national leagues?! Do you have any idea how many matches players already make per season, and how many matches would such a competition mean per season as well? Do you realise this kind of big league system minimises surprises as opposite to knockout systems? And how would the qualification for this league work? Closed system as in America?! That would be unbelievably unfair to the other million clubs out there!

The clubs of the european super leage wouldn't play in their national leagues anymore. This way they can easily have around 40 or 50 matches in the european league.

And instead of a closed system you can force the worst teams of the european league to fight against the best national league teams for the spots in the league. The loosers will play in the national league and the winners in the european league.

And a closed system is unfair to the other million clubs? Teams like Real, Barca, Munich, Chelsea and so on allready have a somewhat closed-system where 99% of the teams never will get in.

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Champions League currently is perfect already and features already enough big name teams.. please leave it as it is.

Why don't improve things?


We always talk about how europe grows together. We have open borders and the european union allready influences national politics a lot.

And we all are encouraged to feel like europeans and not as germans, british or spanish anymore.

So why don't have a hugh european league which isn't as boring as the champions league?

In the USA you also have teams from different states where totally different people live. People from Texas are not comparable to people from New York or California.

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Originally posted by hardstyle i think that super league would get really boring after 2 years if it has the same 20 teams

You said national leagues don't get boring and there you have the same teams too while only 3 or 4 change every year.


So a super league with 30 teams where 5-6 change every year would absolutely be the same.

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Originally posted by hardstyle Boring names ? Feyenoord, Barcelona, Ajax, Liverpool, West Ham, Bayern, Deportivo La Coruna arent boring, i found American sport shirts dull and uninteresting. Shirt with the number on 5 different places? Are these peoples stupid to remebr the number so they need it everywhere

I like it more to have the number 5 times on a shirt than running around as a human advertising sign.


Barcelona = FC Barcelona -> Barcelona is the city where the team plays and FC stand for football club which is very creative because Barcelona plays football

Liverpool = FC Liverpool -> Liverpool is the city too and the club is called football club too

West Ham = West Ham is a city or part of a city too while United is a name that is used by Manchester or Newcastle too.

Bayern = Bayern Munich -> Munich is the city while Bayern is at least a name which stands for the Bundesland or state where the team plays.


Your arguments are weak. With boring names I don't meant the CITY Name but the surname like FC, United, SV (Sportverein = Sports Club in germany).

The american teams have their city name and than a creative surname.


Of course some European Teams have great names too. Real Madrid for example.

But naming your team FC isn't very creative. OK the names come from the time the teams were founded but today you could rename them. In Germany the teams from the Ice Hockey and Basketball Leagues allready do this and have huge success with that.

These sports became more and more popular.

In Hamburg for example they built a huge arena for the local Ice Hockey Team the Hamburg Freezers.


Young people like these sports much more than soccer now because they are "cooler" and more exciting.

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Originally posted by Rockabye Rich teams can buy young talent from small teams so small teams stay small while rich teams put good players on the bench. In the USA you always have teams with many great stars. And the USA are far away from communisum. Today it's allround 30 in the major professional leagues. But you have a lot of minor leagues in each sport of course. Well you can let the worst teams of the regular season play against the best teams from the national leagues to defend their place in the "super league". In Germany teams like Schalke 04 and Borussia Dortmund have to pay 80 or millions to the banks. Their fight with Bayern Munich cost a lot of money and finally they lost it because they paid too much money for bad players... In Germany the teams don't make their TV deals themselves with a certain station but the league sold them and decides how to share it with the teams. And they decided to give the best teams much more money than the bad teams. This way the bad teams will stay bad while the good teams will stay on top. Bayern Munich wins championship after championship while the same 2-3 teams fight for the Champions League each year. Than there are 3-4 teams which fight for UEFA Cup. It gets boring. They were surprises around the top teams in europe but in their national leagues it was no big surprise that they earned a spot in the champions league. The Pittsburgh Steelers won the Super Bowl this year out of nowhere too. They defeated the best 4 teams of the NFL to capture the Championship. Something that was never done before. Most of the season it looked like the Indianapolis Colts will go through. They had a 13-0 start but than lost to the Steelers in a dramatic play-off-game. The Montreal Canadians or New York Yankees allready won a lot of championships in the early 20th century. And the Pittsburgh Steelers had a dynasty in the 70's. With the trade-format and a salary cap success isn't just based on the money a team can pay for their players. And with the annual draft where the worst teams can pick the best fresh talent, you give them a chance to improve their team or trade these talents away for other players.

i'll just agree to disagree with all of this. you make some good points but i still prefer the current system as it is. just one small comment, you should realise probably some of what you're talking about doesn't apply much outside of Germany. frustrated non-Bayern fan, are you?

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The clubs of the european super leage wouldn't play in their national leagues anymore. This way they can easily have around 40 or 50 matches in the european league.

And by that you would sign the death of the national leagues (without the best teams whoever wins cannot call themselves national champions anymore!), and the death of a major part of its income. Meaning the clubs that stay just outside of the superleague would completely lose the train of those that are in.

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And instead of a closed system you can force the worst teams of the european league to fight against the best national league teams for the spots in the league. The loosers will play in the national league and the winners in the european league.

Add to that an european qualifying tournament which would be as "thrilling" to watch as the bloody Intertoto Cup. Cause, you see, Europe has about 50 leagues. Don't forget that detail, all the Romanias and Azerbaijans must have their chances - Italy, Spain and England aren't the only leagues out there.

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And a closed system is unfair to the other million clubs? Teams like Real, Barca, Munich, Chelsea and so on allready have a somewhat closed-system where 99% of the teams never will get in.

How come Artmedia Pertzalka, a team nobody predicted to belong in the 1%, qualified for the "closed system" and nearly went throught to the last 16? The points they got gave them loads of money, certainly not on pair with whoever wins the trophy, but still an insane amount for such a club. Every year a bunch of new teams go to the CL for the first time in their history. It's not closed, the winners might tend to stay on top, but there's always a chance for everybody to enter and try their miracles!

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Why don't improve things?

i'm all up for improving things. i just don't see how it could be improved.

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We always talk about how europe grows together. We have open borders and the european union allready influences national politics a lot. And we all are encouraged to feel like europeans and not as germans, british or spanish anymore. So why don't have a hugh european league which isn't as boring as the champions league?

But it isn't boring! At least certainly not to me. What makes you think a Chelsea-Milan for a 7th place on the last league round would be any more exciting than a Chelsea-Rosenborg on a knockout round?

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Originally posted by Rockabye I like it more to have the number 5 times on a shirt than running around as a human advertising sign. Barcelona = FC Barcelona -> Barcelona is the city where the team plays and FC stand for football club which is very creative because Barcelona plays football Liverpool = FC Liverpool -> Liverpool is the city too and the club is called football club too West Ham = West Ham is a city or part of a city too while United is a name that is used by Manchester or Newcastle too. Bayern = Bayern Munich -> Munich is the city while Bayern is at least a name which stands for the Bundesland or state where the team plays. Your arguments are weak. With boring names I don't meant the CITY Name but the surname like FC, United, SV (Sportverein = Sports Club in germany). The american teams have their city name and than a creative surname. Of course some European Teams have great names too. Real Madrid for example. But naming your team FC isn't very creative. OK the names come from the time the teams were founded but today you could rename them. In Germany the teams from the Ice Hockey and Basketball Leagues allready do this and have huge success with that. These sports became more and more popular. In Hamburg for example they built a huge arena for the local Ice Hockey Team the Hamburg Freezers. Young people like these sports much more than soccer now because they are "cooler" and more exciting.

lol sorry but i much prefer "uncreative" names to "cooler" such as the Freezers or the Steelers or the T-Rexes or the . it sounds cheesy IMO

but this is completely a matter of preference.. and names don't interfere that much with the sport itself anyway

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Originally posted by Rockabye I like it more to have the number 5 times on a shirt than running around as a human advertising sign. Barcelona = FC Barcelona -> Barcelona is the city where the team plays and FC stand for football club which is very creative because Barcelona plays football Liverpool = FC Liverpool -> Liverpool is the city too and the club is called football club too West Ham = West Ham is a city or part of a city too while United is a name that is used by Manchester or Newcastle too. Bayern = Bayern Munich -> Munich is the city while Bayern is at least a name which stands for the Bundesland or state where the team plays. Your arguments are weak. With boring names I don't meant the CITY Name but the surname like FC, United, SV (Sportverein = Sports Club in germany). The american teams have their city name and than a creative surname. Of course some European Teams have great names too. Real Madrid for example. But naming your team FC isn't very creative. OK the names come from the time the teams were founded but today you could rename them. In Germany the teams from the Ice Hockey and Basketball Leagues allready do this and have huge success with that. These sports became more and more popular. In Hamburg for example they built a huge arena for the local Ice Hockey Team the Hamburg Freezers. Young people like these sports much more than soccer now because they are "cooler" and more exciting.

So what is so creative about American sport names? They are rubbish, i can't stand those dull retarded names after city name , Cleveland Indians , eh? There is no indians in Cleveland, and hungary has a football team called steelers in english , but its becouse that team was made up by steeler workers back in 1890

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Originally posted by Rockabye [QUOTE] Rich teams can buy young talent from small teams so small teams stay small while rich teams put good players on the bench.

Hmm they play for reserve teams , and in europe smaller club can loan players from the big clubs reserve team



[QUOTE]In the USA you always have teams with many great stars.

And the USA are far away from communisum.[QUOTE]


Tell me one great player whos known in Europe ?


[QUOTE]Today it's allround 30 in the major professional leagues. But you have a lot of minor leagues in each sport of course.[QUOTE]

Can the minor leage team who won the title get promoted to the professional league ? I dont think so, while in europe the lower division team who won the title get promoted to the next level


[QUOTE] In Germany teams like Schalke 04 and Borussia Dortmund have to pay 80 or millions to the banks. Their fight with Bayern Munich cost a lot of money and finally they lost it because they paid too much money for bad players...[QUOTE]

This called bad scout






[QUOTE]The Pittsburgh Steelers won the Super Bowl this year out of nowhere too. They defeated the best 4 teams of the NFL to capture the Championship. Something that was never done before.[QUOTE]

So u telling me that becouse the steelers werent the top 4 team they shouldnt be in the super bowl? There was so many times when a division 4 team Burton beat Aston Villa wich is the 12th in the premier league. So Burton shouldnt win becouse Aston Villa is in the premier league ?

[QUOTE]Most of the season it looked like the Indianapolis Colts will go through. They had a 13-0 start but than lost to the Steelers in a dramatic play-off-game.[QUOTE]So Chelsea won the english league with only 2 lost game but they got knocked out in the champions league by Liverpool who were the 5th in the premier league. Chelsea is the best team in England but they only won 2 trophy out of four



[QUOTE]The Montreal Canadians or New York Yankees allready won a lot of championships in the early 20th century. And the Pittsburgh Steelers had a dynasty in the 70's.[QUOTE]

Real Madrid won the Spanish title 27 times






[QUOTE]And with the annual draft where the worst teams can pick the best fresh talent, you give them a chance to improve their team or trade these talents away for other players. [QUOTE]

Worst team should get relegated becouse they wont get better by picking one guy



[QUOTE]The clubs of the european super leage wouldn't play in their national leagues anymore. This way they can easily have around 40 or 50 matches in the european league.[QUOTE]

Screw that, so you would kill the traditional darby games?

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Originally posted by Rockabye I like it more to have the number 5 times on a shirt than running around as a human advertising sign. Barcelona = FC Barcelona -> Barcelona is the city where the team plays and FC stand for football club which is very creative because Barcelona plays football Liverpool = FC Liverpool -> Liverpool is the city too and the club is called football club too West Ham = West Ham is a city or part of a city too while United is a name that is used by Manchester or Newcastle too. Bayern = Bayern Munich -> Munich is the city while Bayern is at least a name which stands for the Bundesland or state where the team plays. Your arguments are weak. With boring names I don't meant the CITY Name but the surname like FC, United, SV (Sportverein = Sports Club in germany). The american teams have their city name and than a creative surname. Of course some European Teams have great names too. Real Madrid for example. But naming your team FC isn't very creative. OK the names come from the time the teams were founded but today you could rename them. In Germany the teams from the Ice Hockey and Basketball Leagues allready do this and have huge success with that. These sports became more and more popular. In Hamburg for example they built a huge arena for the local Ice Hockey Team the Hamburg Freezers. Young people like these sports much more than soccer now because they are "cooler" and more exciting.

Man, what the fuck kind of shit are you smoking? American sports are cooler because the team names are better and more "creative"? What kind of retarded thinking is that? You know, when the European football leagues started, they did not think about commercial aspects so much....all they did was play the game. Usually people wh played on Everton (the older team from Liverpool by the way...1878), were from that area of Liverpool. There was no need to call the teams the EVERTON SCOUSERS....it was just that area's team. Manchester United was named because it was Manchester's team. Other European leagues followed suit. What benefit does a snazzy name give you? The EPL, Spanish Primiera, etc are eons ahead of the NFL or MLB in terms of worldwide popularity.

And what is this SHIT TALK of a European Super League? You're fucking whacked man.

European football owns you all.

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Originally posted by hardstyle So what is so creative about American sport names? They are rubbish, i can't stand those dull retarded names after city name , Cleveland Indians , eh? There is no indians in Cleveland, and hungary has a football team called steelers in english , but its becouse that team was made up by steeler workers back in 1890

The Pittsburgh Steelers are called Steelers because Pittsburgh is the american city of steel. Huge steel industry there...

First Hardstyle learn to make Quotes...

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Tell me one great player whos known in Europe ?

You don't know any of american sports so you obviously don't know any players like US people who aren't interested in soccer don't know any soccer players.

But people like Michael Jordan, Shaquille O'Neil, Kobe Bryant, Larry Bird, Wayne Gretzky, Babe Ruth, Joe Montana and many more are well known people. Don't tell me you don't know Michael Jordan???

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Can the minor leage team who won the title get promoted to the professional league ? I dont think so, while in europe the lower division team who won the title get promoted to the next level

Normally the minor league teams are part of the profeessional teams. These teams send their talent who doesn't make it in the roster there to improve, so there is no need that they promotoe to the next level.

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So u telling me that becouse the steelers werent the top 4 team they shouldnt be in the super bowl? There was so many times when a division 4 team Burton beat Aston Villa wich is the 12th in the premier league. So Burton shouldnt win becouse Aston Villa is in the premier league ?

I don't tell you that the shouldn't win the title but it was a huge surprise and some kind of cinderalla story.

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Real Madrid won the Spanish title 27 times

In the NFL Dallas, San Francisco and Pittsburgh were the only teams who won 5 Super Bowl. We had 40 Super Bowl allready so this is a prove that the league is much more equal because of 32 teams only 5 or 6 haven't won the super bowl yet.

Do you think it's good that a team wins 27 national titles? I think it would be much more interesting if a team doesn't have a dynasty for decades...

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Worst team should get relegated becouse they wont get better by picking one guy

A draft consists of several rounds. In the NBA for example 2 and in the NFL 8 or so. So they pick in each round the first guy.

And if they play bad three years in a row they get 3 top players which has a huge affect on the team.

Everybody knows who David Beckham is, and if the eurosport wouldnt have nba show what got canceled due to the lack of interest(no surprise) i wouldnt know who he is, i seen him in Space Jam so i would probbly think hes an actor.
Just like 2 Pac , i didnt even heard of 2pac until 2001

Yeah and Real Madrid won the titles 27 times but the spanish leage is like 100 years old. So winning the title 27 times out of 100 isnt a big dominance

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Originally posted by hardstyle Everybody knows who David Beckham is, and if the eurosport wouldnt have nba show what got canceled due to the lack of interest(no surprise) i wouldnt know who he is, i seen him in Space Jam so i would probbly think hes an actor. Just like 2 Pac , i didnt even heard of 2pac until 2001

he's mainly known in the US as that guy who got married to a former Spice Girl

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Originally posted by verndogs he's mainly known in the US as that guy who got married to a former Spice Girl

And Hardstyle, sorry, but Michael Jordan is a name that everyone knows and recognizes with Basketball all over the world.

Guys like David Beckham are unknown to most of America but MJ is popular all over the world and especially in europe.

He's one of the greatest athletes in any sport of all time, maybe the greatest.

In the 90's kids all over america and all over europe ran around with his NIKE Air shoes.

He's as popular as Michael Jackson was in the 90's.

You couldn't compare a Michael Jordan to a David Beckham or any other soccer player because he's an icon.

You remember the '92 olympics in Barcelona and what a media spectacel was around the first ever USA Dream Team? Over here in europe the Dream Team were the #1 stars during the Olympics.


And only because YOU don't know any american sports stars does't mean that these people aren't popular over here in europe.

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Originally posted by hardstyle Yeah and Real Madrid won the titles 27 times but the spanish leage is like 100 years old. So winning the title 27 times out of 100 isnt a big dominance

The Montreal Canadians were founded in 1909 and won 24 titles since than.


And winning 27 titles in 100 years IS dominant.

In 40 Super Bowls only 3 teams won 5 times because it is very tough. There are a lot of great teams every year.

In american sports you usually have around 4-6 teams that have serious chances to win the title, not to mention the teams that surprise everyone.

Now take the european soccer leagues:

England -> Everyone would have put his bets on Chelsea at the beginning of the season. Liverpool may beat them in the Champions League but during an entire season they couldn't catch Chelsea. Which team in England really is a threat to Chelsea? It's allready for sure that they will win the Premier League. Isn't that boring?

Germany -> Here's the same with Bayern Munich. We have Munich...and than a couple of good teams but for them Bayer is out of rich. After 20 gamedays it's sure that Bayern will win the german championship unless Makaay, Ballack, Lucio and Kahn all get injured...

Spain -> OK a little more exciting here but not really. Real has a bad season and we all know Barca will be on top at the end of the season.

France -> Olympique Lyon DOMINATES the entire league.

Italy -> Juventus will bring the title home. Inter and AC Milan are not very far behind but no one would put his bets on them!


So you see...we are halfway through the seasons and allready know the champions.

Yeah european soccer is so much more exciting than the NBA, NFL, MLB or NHL

Well you can argue with me as long as you want but if you ask people around the world which sports are more exiting soccer or American sports im sure 70% say soccer , thats why american sports arent as popular as soccer

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