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Originally posted by infinity HiGH Hmmm New York City Homicide Rate for 2004: 7 Toronto Homicide Rate for 2004: 1.8 ...yep...very close. Winnipeg is at 4.9 though; so thats fairly close to New York

Wait a sec.. Winnipegs homicide rate is higher then Toronto's?? WTF?

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH Hmmm New York City Homicide Rate for 2004: 7 Toronto Homicide Rate for 2004: 1.8 ...yep...very close. Winnipeg is at 4.9 though; so thats fairly close to New York

I doubt that New Yorks rate is actually that LOW! I know Washington and Baltimore lead the way with 40, while toronto's is below 2!

Guys we are worrying way too much, most of these crimes are gang related and do not affect us (maybe a couple lol), and the SLIGHT increase in murders has more to do with competing gangs than anything else. Like someone else said, overall crime has decreased SIGNIFICANTLY since the 1980's, and I have tons of other info on this if anyone is interested. The "moral panic" caused by recent shootings is a result of the various media outlets deciding to set 'gun violence' as one of the main themes that will be used in newspapers and tv news programs in the coming years.

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Originally posted by drgoodvibe Wait a sec.. Winnipegs homicide rate is higher then Toronto's?? WTF?

Of course it is, Toronto's rate is much lower than than any cities west of here (with the possible exception of Vancouver). I think Edmonton had the highest if i'm not mistaken.

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Originally posted by mikester69 Of course it is, Toronto's rate is much lower than than any cities west of here (with the possible exception of Vancouver). I think Edmonton had the highest if i'm not mistaken.

Any reason for that? If I had a guess, I would of thought Toronto's homicide rate was highest in Canada..

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Originally posted by drgoodvibe Any reason for that? If I had a guess, I would of thought Toronto's homicide rate was highest in Canada..

Nope, Toronto is one of the lowest.

I'm guessing it might have a lot to do with the lack of oppurtunity there. A person from Winnipeg would know best though.

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Originally posted by KaiLee Viva might have that but they also have an incredibly rude staff

How so?I work there and Iam nice to everyone who comes there,and as far as I know most of the staff is nice there,but there is always one or two that might be rude at times.

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Originally posted by SPANIARD Well ok, I never said that it was perfect, but hey I'm glad to see in the M.I.K.E. review thread that you'd go back, so I guess nothing more needs to be said. But YO ( ), be careful what you say about the staff.... some of them are reading this.

It's good the staff are reading this, maybe they will take it into consideration the next time they are rude to a customer.

I had to stand outside in the cold (no line might I add) because the bouncer decided to ignore me and talk to his friends....plus one or two other various rude encounters with staff that night.

Sorry but I've been working in the nightlife scene for awhile now and behavior like that isn't really acceptable in a field that aims to please it's customers.

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH Hmmm New York City Homicide Rate for 2004: 7 Toronto Homicide Rate for 2004: 1.8 ...yep...very close. Winnipeg is at 4.9 though; so thats fairly close to New York

Winnipeg has a population of less then 700,000...I don't have time to compile stats to prove my very simple point; so i'll just leave in hopes that you understand :

Rates of homicides are in direct proportion with the population.

Winnipeg>Toronto>NYC

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Originally posted by KaiLee Well I've been around weird goofy asian men for two years and the ones here tend to be a bit more aggressive. Still I would not pay as much as they charge on a regular night to see resident DJs that don't even impress me, in a club that has no vibe unless the right people are there.

Well some of their resident DJs play some damn good tracks, but its a matter of opinion. I think the vibe is somewhat unique there, and you'll always find TAs present.

Although with a somewhat busy schedule, I typically only go there for special events.

It seems that the perception of Toronto "becoming" ghetto has increased because of the increase in thuggery in the downtown area. This however has little effect on statistics as a whole. A few more incidents in the downtown area may seem signficant because it is a destination for everyone, but when taking into account the city as a whole, it really doesn't affect the numbers- just the nightlife.
I might add Montreal has seen its fair share of violence so far this year. Someone was shot and killed inside the Roxy Blu club I think on Montagne. Three people were shot on St Laurent- right in the middle of club land- last weekend. Someone was stabbed critically on St Catherine and De La Montagne near Club 1234 two weeks ago. There was an incident at Aria also I believe earlier this year. No city is immune to this problem. There are plenty of thugs, fighting, and bad behavior on Saint Catherine St at 3 am.


Here are some crime reports from Washington DC for your reading please. Pick a district and enjoy.
http://www.crimereports.com/states/...ibe.php?sabv=dc

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Originally posted by Dark_Archonis Well some of their resident DJs play some damn good tracks, but its a matter of opinion. I think the vibe is somewhat unique there, and you'll always find TAs present. Although with a somewhat busy schedule, I typically only go there for special events.

Well to each their own....I think the lighting and sound is amazing there, but I would just rather pay to go somewhere else.

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Toronto clubs may have a ghetto side to them, but it is nothing compared to a place like Windsor. As much as I love my hometown it has resorted to having an entire downtown area that caters to the 19-21 year old american crowd. Because of that, all the bars are full of teenagers who can't hold their booze, come over have no respect fot the country, its citizens, or its laws. There are fights and problems 10 fold of what there is here. There may be some problems here, but it is good compared to some places.

id say thats more of a university town type problem then typical thuggery that youll experience at clubs in Toronto.

Its really sad the way things have gone and its sad to hear its sweeping across some of Europe

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