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Seeing him spin was a totally different experience than his CDs. I wish he would come here.

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Originally posted by INTRANCE +1, I never heard any horror stories with him and TO

I've been to his shows at the Kool Haus in 03 and Guv in 04.. (or was that 04 and 05?) they weren't that bad at all, the places were rammed full of people and everyone had a good time! or at least I thought they did...

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Originally posted by TranceGrooves Folks one thing to keep in mind is that it is not that easy to book Djs. specially Djs that are in top 10 rankings. there are contratcs fees legal issues schedules and crap of load of other things involved. it is not just a matter of sending off an email and the dj would come in flying. oh and lets not forget club politics and booking agents / agencies politics with certain clubs just have patience

everyone on the western board was wondering why tiesto had not been in vancouver for over two years.....later we find out that an events company had rights to throwing the party and they would only do one venue which wasn't playing any edm for a long while. Now they bring him in bump the price up and still sells out. I think it might be the same thing here in toronto. I agree with trancegrooves though that there are a lot of crap to deal with getting the top ten to tour everywhere in a year given there are only 52 weekends in a year.

my best guess is that it might be a money issue, does pvd have a forum on his website? maybe there would be some answers there for why hes not in toronto yet.

patience i have but only for so long

i really want to see him

But if he doesnt want to support TO, then he gets no support from me.

I don't think its a personal hatred for Toronto or the fact that he doesn't want to "support TO". I'm sure he likes some cities over others like we all do but I find it hard to believe he'd boycott a city based on 5 or 6 visits..all of which have been successful in my recollection. I bet my two cents that its bureaucracy and politics between TO promoters and PvD's North American management.

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Originally posted by ChadVanDyk I bet my two cents that its bureaucracy and politics between TO promoters and PvD's North American management.

Agreed.

All of you complaining and griping about how if "he doesn't support Toronto, then I won't support him, etc.." I wonder how many of you have asked him personally if this was the case.

Ah...The Politics of Dancing...

dog's shit ..ha!.

PVD was, is, and according to his consistency, will be a great dj/producer for as many years as he wants to, unlike others who have lost it along the way. Although I've only seen him live twice (KH 03, Sensation White 04), those two times were memorable displays of talent and superb music. Hat's off to the gentleman of EDM.

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Originally posted by raveed its ridiculous to think that a man who is considered one of the pioneers in spreading the popularity of dance music around clubbing communities the world over would let weather dictate where he plays. Dont you think that after all these years hes a little more er professional than that toronto has a very active clubbing culture which can be compared to any other city in north america. Are you saying he would risk losing out on a significant fan base just to avoid being let down by his jacket for a day??? He used to frequent toronto quite often up till 2001. Im sure his not coming is a little more complicated than that. He plays in germany in january, im sure he could handle toronto in june

look you don't have to believe me... but thats how it is. Yes it sounds trivial, but thats how princesses are, they have a shit load of demands and no its not all about the music. They have been so elevated by trancewhores, that they can ask for whatever they want and get it.

And Germany ain't miami, but it ain't canada either... its not that cold over there compared to here.

No doubt, PVD is a very talented individual. I can see both sides of what people are saying.

Would i see him if he came? For sure, I really want PVD to come back to TO.

However, at the same time, one has to ask 'why he isnt coming here?'. He has many fans in Toronto and you know what, there is nothing wrong with people being disappointed/upset with the fact that he hasnt come here in so long. Not only that, he hasnt even mentioned any kind of reason why he isnt coming/or hasnt been here in so long.

I'm not gonna travel just to see a DJ. Other DJs come here more than once a year, and if he doesnt want to come at all, its fine by me as well. He's simply going to lose fans because of it, and if thats fine by him, thats all that matters.

He has been back to NA enough times since his last visit, so if he's not coming back, he should explain why.

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Originally posted by Irishaddict All of you complaining and griping about how if "he doesn't support Toronto, then I won't support him, etc.." I wonder how many of you have asked him personally if this was the case.

if thats the case, he has an obligation to explain some of these reasons to his fans. Whether its the club/promoters, whatever. You dont leave your fans in the dark like that for so long. People will understand if he just gives his reasons. But when you hear nothing, how would you know that?

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Originally posted by malek look you don't have to believe me... but thats how it is. Yes it sounds trivial, but thats how princesses are, they have a shit load of demands and no its not all about the music. They have been so elevated by trancewhores, that they can ask for whatever they want and get it. And Germany ain't miami, but it ain't canada either... its not that cold over there compared to here.

he came in june last time, its not cold in June. Also, he's been back to NA in the summer since the last time he's come here.

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Originally posted by High on PSI if thats the case, he has an obligation to explain some of these reasons to his fans. Whether its the club/promoters, whatever. You dont leave your fans in the dark like that for so long. People will understand if he just gives his reasons. But when you hear nothing, how would you know that?

has nothing to do with Toronto...

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Originally posted by malek has nothing to do with Toronto...

toronto, eastern CAN, whatever. he hasnt come, and he's played (or will play) other canadian cities. what should people think?

i got nothing against the guy, but how long have his fans been asking 'why hasnt he come?'. All im saying, is that they deserve some kind of an answer from him about it.

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Originally posted by High on PSI toronto, eastern CAN, whatever. he hasnt come, and he's played (or will play) other canadian cities. what should people think? i got nothing against the guy, but how long have his fans been asking 'why hasnt he come?'. All im saying, is that they deserve some kind of an answer from him about it.

For our case, I believe there's some exclusivity deal with a club and/or they're not intrested in booking him because of his poor performances (Bal en Blanc comes to mind).

loconut: You actually sound convinced of that. I agree with 2003 and maybe even 2004 to a extent but after that he lost it. And his productions? Sorry they have not been good since at least 4 years.


Irishaddict you are so in denial about the princess its not even funny.


This has nothing to do with TO. There has been many attempts from edmonton/calgary as well as other cities in canada to book him and i have heard a load of bullshit from promoters about how stupid it is.

Take a look at his schedule in the past 3 years.

Have you not noticed its ALWAYS the same cities in north america?

LA, SF, Miami, Vegas, New york and San diego. Some of those places get him every 3 months.


So what about the rest of the continent?

Some of you really need to wake up.

If he came to TO, I would check it out.

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Originally posted by dartrance Irishaddict you are so in denial about the princess its not even funny.

Yes, I'm so in denial because I happen to disagree with you. I guess I didn't get the memo which made you the centre of the fucking universe.

Are you personally acquainted with Paul? You seem to know a lot re: his reasons for not coming. And if you are - does he know you speak so highly of him? Give me a fucking break oh ye great dartrance.. I really don't give a shit what you think of Paul now. If anything, I'm glad idiots like you won't show up at his shows when he does come back. Big bad mouthy man on the message boards I'm sure would walk up and shake Paul's hand if you had the chance. Because without people like him and what he's done for this scene, people like you wouldn't have gotten interested in it in the first place.

The problem is people are still waiting to relive that For An Angel glory of so many years ago. Forget the fact that tastes change, sounds evolve and artists ARE ALLOWED to branch in different musical directions. That would be okay for any other artist - as soon as you mention that with Armin, Tiesto or Oakenfold people start crying the blues. You can be a loudmouth on a message board all you want - I'm not going to try and convert you because frankly I don't give a shit. You show up in Central Park and you see the energy for yourself. If PVD is dog shit, then I'm black.

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Originally posted by Irishaddict Yes, I'm so in denial because I happen to disagree with you. I guess I didn't get the memo which made you the centre of the fucking universe. Are you personally acquainted with Paul? You seem to know a lot re: his reasons for not coming. And if you are - does he know you speak so highly of him? Give me a fucking break oh ye great dartrance.. I really don't give a shit what you think of Paul now. If anything, I'm glad idiots like you won't show up at his shows when he does come back. Big bad mouthy man on the message boards I'm sure would walk up and shake Paul's hand if you had the chance. Because without people like him and what he's done for this scene, people like you wouldn't have gotten interested in it in the first place. The problem is people are still waiting to relive that For An Angel glory of so many years ago. Forget the fact that tastes change, sounds evolve and artists ARE ALLOWED to branch in different musical directions. That would be okay for any other artist - as soon as you mention that with Armin, Tiesto or Oakenfold people start crying the blues. You can be a loudmouth on a message board all you want - I'm not going to try and convert you because frankly I don't give a shit. You show up in Central Park and you see the energy for yourself. If PVD is dog shit, then I'm black.

Tiesto's stuff is dog shit, his mixing is dog shit, but he still packs clubs and make good parties out of them. Thats real talent

Soo much animosity on this thread over a DJ...come on people.

Everyone has the right not to like a particular DJ....but to dictate opinion as fact is dead wrong.

I dont think any of us really knows why he hasnt come to Toronto..all we have are theories.

Im convinced it has do with one thing.....MONEY!!!!!

Clubs like the Guv like to keep their ticket prices about $20 dollars...and everytime Ive seen PvD...it has costed at least $50 dollars. Maybe clubs in Toronto dont like to jack up their ticket prices unless its a big event like Decadence or Labour.

But to me...its still worth the money. I like his sound that much. Ill be in San Francisco to see him 5/12 at 1015 folsom.

If anyone wants to take some shots at me now...Go for it...I wont fight back.

Didnt PVD spin viva in 2001? i remember i used to have a flyer i believe for that night, it was a 19+ venue that night (at viva laugh out loud) ntil like 3am, and i think PVD came on around 1? this is the best i can recall from that long ago.

PVD @ Guv decade anniversary would be pretty spectacular though eh?
sidenote: Politics of Dancing 1 = teh pwnzorz.

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Originally posted by waynoinsano Didnt PVD spin viva in 2001? i remember i used to have a flyer i believe for that night, it was a 19+ venue that night (at viva laugh out loud) ntil like 3am, and i think PVD came on around 1? this is the best i can recall from that long ago. PVD @ Guv decade anniversary would be pretty spectacular though eh? sidenote: Politics of Dancing 1 = teh pwnzorz.

It was cancelled because of SARS.

oh no shit eh... SARS claimed more then just lives...

Honestly, Kids.

I'm tired of seeing IrishAddict make good points and seeing people make stupid potshots.

Fifty bucks says I'll get in shit for speaking in her defense, but Jesus. She's smarter than the average bear. Quit being pricks.

He's not a goddamned princess. When people propigate rumors, this kind of shit happens. I haven't been fortunate enough to shake his hand yet, but I have it on VERY good authority that this whole Prima Donna image is misunderstood. When any of you make it to his level of the game, you'll know just what I'm talking about. Who gives a rat's ass if he doesn't smile. SRSLY.

There's something people aren't grasping here - In this industry (nay, in Business PERIOD) you do what is profitable. For people saying he doesn't like it 'cause it's cold? Give your head a shake. I'll gladly freeze my ass off for a couple Grand plus door proceeds. If he hasn't been to Toronto in a while - THE WRITING IS ON THE WALL. IT IS NOT A BIG L33T SECRET.

561 650 8191

There's Producer Artist Management's Number.
If someone's curious, give 'em a call.

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Originally posted by Jer. 561 650 8191

long distance

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Originally posted by Jer. Honestly, Kids. I'm tired of seeing IrishAddict make good points and seeing people make stupid potshots. Fifty bucks says I'll get in shit for speaking in her defense, but Jesus. She's smarter than the average bear. Quit being pricks. He's not a goddamned princess. When people propigate rumors, this kind of shit happens. I haven't been fortunate enough to shake his hand yet, but I have it on VERY good authority that this whole Prima Donna image is misunderstood. When any of you make it to his level of the game, you'll know just what I'm talking about. Who gives a rat's ass if he doesn't smile. SRSLY. There's something people aren't grasping here - In this industry (nay, in Business PERIOD) you do what is profitable. For people saying he doesn't like it 'cause it's cold? Give your head a shake. I'll gladly freeze my ass off for a couple Grand plus door proceeds. If he hasn't been to Toronto in a while - THE WRITING IS ON THE WALL. IT IS NOT A BIG L33T SECRET. 561 650 8191 There's Producer Artist Management's Number. If someone's curious, give 'em a call.

this man knows what he's talking about.If you do not understand the concept of business ---> profit; you opinion on the topic is entirelly pointless.

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