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Originally posted by hardcore trancer why because Iran has nukes? I think we live in a fucked world with the U.S in charge and all those nukes sitting in their backyard. stop listening to the media please.This is all another bush admin propaganda.They are playing the whole fear game once again and it is working unfortunatly. show me some proof that Iran is going to war.and dont tell me Isreal because I guarantee you that it is all talk and they will not attack them unless they get attacked first. Bottom line is that this is all about Isreal an they are not the innocent ones.They are the ones with nukes and they are the ones that are denying of having them.

Israel has nukes I know. Canada has nukes. USA gives us the nukes to take apart... but we dont take them apart just remmeber that.

I dont listen to the media, idiot.

When you have an extremist leader talking shit.

Wtv, no reason to explain to a schmuck like you anything.

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Originally posted by jesteraver Israel has nukes I know. Canada has nukes. USA gives us the nukes to take apart... but we dont take them apart just remmeber that. I dont listen to the media, idiot. When you have an extremist leader talking shit. Wtv, no reason to explain to a schmuck like you anything.

I can sense the fear in you little boy.Dont be scared though America will protect your ass over and over again.

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Originally posted by jesteraver Israel has nukes I know. Canada has nukes. USA gives us the nukes to take apart... but we dont take them apart just remmeber that. I dont listen to the media, idiot. When you have an extremist leader talking shit. Wtv, no reason to explain to a schmuck like you anything.

you're an idiot
you're a product of CNN/NBCNews etc ...

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer you really think Iran is going to attack Isreal with nukes when they know very well that it will be the end for them if they do?

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4911150.stm Muslim world urged to fund Hamas The Supreme Leader of Iran, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, has called on the Muslim world to help the Palestinian people and their Hamas-led government. Both he and President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad launched strong attacks on the West as a three-day forum on Palestinian solidarity began in Tehran. The US Treasury has this week further tightened Palestinian cash flows. But Palestinian PM Ismail Haniya said on Friday the cuts in funds would not weaken the people's resolve. Late on Friday, the Russian Foreign Ministry said Moscow had agreed to provide "urgent financial aid" to the Palestinian Authority. The US and European Union cut off aid to the authority after Hamas took power on 30 March, because the militant group refuses to renounce violence and recognise Israel. 'Rotten tree' Ayatollah Khamenei, opening the Tehran conference, said all Muslims had a duty to help the Palestinian people and should not remain indifferent to tyranny. The chain of plots by the American government aimed at governing the Middle East through the control of the Zionist regime will not succeed Ayatollah Ali Khamenei He launched a scathing attack on the West, saying its liberal democracy was like a poison. He said global imperialism led by the US president openly threatened the Muslim world by talking about launching a crusade against it President Ahmadinejad widened the attack to include Israel, which he said was "a rotten, dried tree that will be eliminated by one storm". The president provoked an international outcry last October when he cast doubts on the Holocaust and said Israel should be "wiped off the map". On Friday he said there were no doubts about the holocaust suffered by the Palestinian people in the past 60 years and that the Palestinians should not pay the price for what the West said were crimes against Jews. "Believe that Palestine will be freed soon," he said. The conference came as the US Treasury banned its nationals from doing business with the Hamas-led Palestinian Authority. It said the militant Islamist group had a vested interest in the transactions of the authority. The US is making exceptions for government entities under the direct control of Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas, whose Fatah movement is a rival of Hamas. 'Oil and olives' Mr Haniya said on Friday the suspension of Western aid to the Palestinians would never defeat the Hamas-led administration. He said the West would not succeed in isolating the government because it had the full support of Palestinians. "We will eat cooking oil and olives," he said. Mr Haniya was addressing Friday prayers in Gaza before the start of a series of rallies aimed at demonstrating support for the Hamas-led administration. In response to the financial crisis, the Russian foreign ministry said Moscow would grant the Palestinian Authority urgent financial aid. Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov made the pledge to Mr Abbas in a telephone call, a ministry statement said. Russia says Hamas should recognise Israel and enter negotiations but it believes denying aid is a mistake. The militant group's political leader in exile, Khaled Meshaal, is attending the Tehran conference to gain funding pledges. Iran has said it will fund the Hamas-led government but so far no figures have been publicly pledged and no concrete deals have yet been announced at the conference.

Is the Iranian government crazy enough to attack other countries? Absolutely, because key people in the government are part of an apocalyptic cult. The principles of Mutually Assured Destruction don't apply to them because dying for their faith is part of their religion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hojjatieh

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They believe that chaos must be created to hasten the return of the Mahdi, the 12th Shi'ite Imam. Only then, they argue, can a genuine Islamic republic be established.

http://philomathean.blogs.com/philo...05/11/iran.html


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Originally posted by Fir3start3r What? Dirt? Don't say 'oil' because you know damn well that the oil fields were immediately given to the Iraqi people after Saddam was ousted...

oh yes... the US admin went into Iraq and spent 400 billion just to give back Iraqs oil to the people. SURE BUDDY!!

The US didnt go into Iraq to take the oil, but rather control it through its many subsidiary corporate puppets.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King oh yes... the US admin went into Iraq and spent 400 billion just to give back Iraqs oil to the people. SURE BUDDY!!

I never said it wasn't to help continue the flow (and stop corruption and the skimming happening in the "Oil for Food" scandal) but they aren't raping the place either like you're suggesting...
Most the oil fields ARE owned by the Irais however the distribution and running of the fields are being run by those corporations that have the capital to do it, something the Iraqis don't have because of the nanny state Saddam turned the place into...

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The US didnt go into Iraq to take the oil, but rather control it through its many subsidiary corporate puppets.

Somewhat true. It's true there was a lot of foriegn investment that was lost due to Saddam's 'nationalization' and not just American.
Again, if Saddam actually allowed private business ownership and not let the Iraqi people be so dependant on him for every little thing, they probably would have been in a better position not having to rely on foreigners having to do their job for them.

http://today.reuters.com/news/artic...ILES.xml&rpc=22

Iran has missiles that put Europe in range: report

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Iran has received a first shipment of missiles from North Korea that are capable of reaching Europe, Israel's military intelligence chief was quoted on Thursday as saying.

Known in the West as BM-25s, the Russian-designed missiles have a range of around 1,500 miles, giving them a longer reach than the Iranian-made Shihab-4 missiles which are capable of hitting Israel.

The intelligence chief, Major-General Amos Yadlin, was quoted by Israel's Haaretz newspaper as saying in a lecture on Wednesday that some BM-25s had arrived in Iran.

The BM-25 was originally manufactured in the Soviet Union, where it was known as the SSN6, a missile capable of carrying a nuclear warhead, Haaretz reported.

After the Russians decommissioned the SSN6, the missiles were sold to North Korea, which adapted them to carry a heavier payload, the newspaper's military affairs correspondent said.

In February, a German diplomat, citing his country's intelligence data, confirmed a German newspaper report that said Iran had purchased 18 disassembled BM-25s from North Korea.

Israel has been urging the international community to pressure Iran to halt its nuclear programme as well as its efforts to obtain long-range missiles.

Iran, the world's fourth largest producer of crude oil, says its nuclear programme is a peaceful project to provide electricity.

Israel is widely believed to have more than 200 nuclear warheads. It declines to comment on its atomic program, saying only it will not be the first country to introduce nuclear weapons into the Middle East.

LONG LIVE IRAN

Meh...

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Originally posted by TRANCEEEE LONG LIVE IRAN

So like, do want to see Israel wiped off the map?

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Originally posted by VERTiG0 So like, do want to see Israel wiped off the map?

um, i don't recall saying that
i really don't care about israel, on or off the map, won't make a difference to me ...
as for the pres of Iran.
He's a monkey...
he's too extreme at times
but what is extreme ?
why not question the holocaust ?
whats soo wrong about it ?

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Originally posted by TRANCEEEE why not question the holocaust ? whats soo wrong about it ?

what

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Originally posted by Abercrombie Meh...

um, russias asked for firm evidence ...
I ask you,
do you have evidence that iran is building an atomic bomb ?



even if they do,
howcome israel has bombs ? what makes israel safer to possess weapons of mass murder ?
NBC CNN

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Originally posted by VERTiG0 what

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Originally posted by TRANCEEEE

Were you questioning what is wrong with the Holocaust?

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Originally posted by VERTiG0 Were you questioning what is wrong with the Holocaust?

no Im questioning ...

"Why is it wrong to question or research the holocaust ? "

So you're asking why it is wrong to question whether or not the Holocaust was a) good or bad, or b) did or did not happen?

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Originally posted by TRANCEEEE no Im questioning ... "Why is it wrong to question or research the holocaust ? "

You're being ignorant just for the sake of it, thus qualifying you as a dumbass, who should have no right to question the Holocaust.

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Originally posted by VERTiG0 So you're asking why it is wrong to question whether or not the Holocaust was a) good or bad, or b) did or did not happen?

good or bad has no meaning ...
happened vs. did not happen is valid ...
reality vs. myth

if someone (by mistake lets say) claims that its a myth, he/she is automatically considered a villan ...
just like the pres of Iran ...

I don't agree on everything he says FOR THE RECORD
its just odd :

He questioned the validity of the holocaust, and he was immediatly considered a mad man ...
whatever happened to freedom of speech/ideas

then

Denmark reprints the cartoons ... making fun of a figure thats alot more significant spiritually than the holocaust per say
and everyone (the west) were shocked how the muslims went crazy

FOR THE RECORD ... i'm not religious, i hate religion



if you know what i mean

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Originally posted by TRANCEEEE no Im questioning ... "Why is it wrong to question or research the holocaust ? "

Maybe because it's painfully obvious that millions of people died in the hands of a madman?

What is there to question???

^^^
Edit :
I can't find the link right now ...
I'll get on it ASAP

heres some interesting articles . vids

Neturei Karta spokesman Rabbi Dovid Weiss: The issue of the Holocaust has to do with the Zionist use... The Zionists are using this issue. We, the Jews who were killed in the Holocaust, do not use the Holocaust as a tool for promoting our cause.

[...]

We reiterate that there are Jews throughout the world - hundreds of thousands of Jews - who remain loyal to the rejection of Zionism, and who say that Zionism is not Judaism but a political movement.

We want a dismantlement not only of the 1967 areas, but [of the entire Palestine], so the lands will return to Palestine, and we will live side by side.

Of course, we are forbidden to have a state. Zionism was founded by Mr. Theodor Herzl, and these people were going against God. That is why Mr. Livingstone condemned this. He was right. He is not anti-Semitic. We supported him when Sheik Al-Qaradhawi came to England. We said to him: "You did good."

We welcome this because these people are not anti-Semites, but they oppose this illegitimate political movement called "Zionism," which does not represent so many hundreds of thousands of Jews around the world, and maybe millions, who still believe only in Judaism, and do not accept the State of Israel.

[...]

Rabbi Dovid Shlomo Feldman: We have come to Tehran to make it clear that the State of Israel does not represent all the Jews. It might represent their own ideas, which are very far from those of the Jewish people.

[...]

Jaam-e Jam1 TV, March 5, 2006:

Reporter: He [Rabbi Aharon Cohen, British Neturei Karta] took part at an international religious conference in Tehran where he expressed his anti-Zionist views. The Rabbi said Zionists are involved in almost every major crime worldwide, but unfortunately claimed to be speaking for the Jewish community.






and this in my opinion is what the pres meant ...
" IMO "

u can't be that stupid to claim it did not happen at all.

"""""We have thousands of hours of documentaries about the Holocaust. The Holocaust, this massacre, did indeed happen. We are not in any dispute about the Holocaust.
However, some historians say that the number of Jews [killed] did not exceed five or four million. But the massacre itself did take place. They have doubts about the figures, not about the Holocaust itself."""""

this quote is from an Iranian Affairs Specialist Dr. Ali Nourizadeh
He's very reliable



VIDEO 1

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Originally posted by TRANCEEEE ^^^ I'm talking about the holocaust conference which BTW alot of anti-zionist jews attended and claimed that the holocaust was a myth

Have any proof of this?

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Originally posted by TRANCEEEE ^^^ I'm talking about the holocaust conference which BTW alot of anti-zionist jews attended and claimed that the holocaust was a myth

Source??

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[i] I'm talking about the holocaust conference which BTW alot of anti-zionist jews attended and claimed that the holocaust was a myth

lol... a holocaust conference organized by Iran. Ya, very credible.

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Originally posted by TRANCEEEE I ask you, do you have evidence that iran is building an atomic bomb ?

LMAO,

This guy says, first secret nuclear program, now buying rockets to put bombs in.

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even if they do, howcome israel has bombs ? what makes israel safer to possess weapons of mass murder ? NBC CNN

How many times did we already answer your question already? How many more times will it take?

It's obvious you're just shit-disturbing. You also seem to reply our questions with more questions rather than just answers, and as anybody knows... anyone who replies a question with another question is hiding something.

I'm this close to filtering you out on this board. Your hatred is sickenning. You are in no way promoting Iran, you are making yourself as a stereotype. So I congratulate you on doing a fine job on making us even more repulsed.

Extremism is bad, no matter what religion or group it is. I don't care what a small minority of extremists say, no matter what their religion or group.

It's when leaders are extremist is what scares the shit out of me. And when these extremists are threatening the world, we all have reason to be scared. We should not be denying a valid point, by changing the topic elsewhere by saying, "well look at/how about this country/person/religion/etc."

/end rant

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