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I have a circumcised penis, and it's not bad at all. Yes, I'd love to see what it would be like to be uncut, but I never will. No use crying over spilled milk anyways. But if I had a son, I would never get him circumcised. I believe that I do not own his body, and something like circumcision should be his choice alone.

That being said, if he ran into some complications from being uncut as a minor, then I would be OK with getting him circumcised.

Really, there's no need to just cut off your son's foreskin like that as a baby. You could get a much better circumcision when you're older than when you're a child. There have been cases where the boy was cut too deep (ouch).

I will admit that in some cases circumcision is necessary, but not in all.

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Originally posted by superglo wank off with soap daily will keep ur willy clean. :P circumcision aint that bad. well it better not be. i'm gonna have it done in a couple of months.

WHY????????????

Fuck man the great spirit does not make things we dont need.

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Originally posted by swilly WHY???????????? Fuck man the great spirit does not make things we dont need.

Like the appendix, widsom teeth, coccyx, plica semilunaris and nipples on men?

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby So basically you're trying to justify something that you had no choice, because you now have no choice in reversing what has been done?

No, not really. I'm not so obsessed with sex and sexual pleasure to care that much about it in the first place since, from what I understand, it's not like I've lost much in the first place. I was just trying to weigh the pros against the cons so I asked Neo since he's a doctor.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Neo since he's a doctor.

Not really a doctor yet. Besides hes going to a crappy med school and he doesn't want to become a doctor of the penis. he is majoring in invasive radiology. He basically treats cancer patients-i think-and that doesn't mean he doesn't know about circumcision but i wouldn't trust his advice.

Take from the worlds population if circumcision had any benefits than the world's male populations would be circumzised. And since we are not than that means circumcision is bs.

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid Not really a doctor yet. Besides hes going to a crappy med school and he doesn't want to become a doctor of the penis. he is majoring in invasive radiology. He basically treats cancer patients-i think-and that doesn't mean he doesn't know about circumcision but i wouldn't trust his advice. Take from the worlds population if circumcision had any benefits than the world's male populations would be circumzised. And since we are not than that means circumcision is bs.

Ohio State is a crappy med school? Also, there's no "majoring" in med school. You specialize in areas your second two years, but everyone gets the same education. If you think what I have to say is crap, more power to you. Dictate your life and health by what the "worlds population" is doing, and I hope it makes you happy.

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid Not really a doctor yet. Besides hes going to a crappy med school and he doesn't want to become a doctor of the penis. he is majoring in invasive radiology. He basically treats cancer patients-i think-and that doesn't mean he doesn't know about circumcision but i wouldn't trust his advice. Take from the worlds population if circumcision had any benefits than the world's male populations would be circumzised. And since we are not than that means circumcision is bs.

I'm a Computer Science major. If someone asked me what OS distribution would be more suitable for their needs or the real benfits versus the percieved benefits of more RAM v.s a higher CPU clock rate, I don't need to specialize in software engineering or system design to answer their question.

Why are you getting so worked up? I asked him a simple question about the clinical/hygenic benefits of circumcision.

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Originally posted by NeoPhono Ohio State is a crappy med school? Also, there's no "majoring" in med school. You specialize in areas your second two years, but everyone gets the same education. If you think what I have to say is crap, more power to you. Dictate your life and health by what the "worlds population" is doing, and I hope it makes you happy.

What is working me up is that you are trying to refute what doctors in this country and around the world agree on. That circumcision is a bunch of bs.

Just admit it one more time for yourself to realise that circumcision is a bunch of bs. Just say that and you won't have your child butchered. Why do you want to butcher your childs penis for? Let him do whatever he wants and don't make a bunch of 'medical/hygine' reasons. The truth is that a bunch of stupid girls think ewww and uncut penis. Thats why.

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid What is working me up is that you are trying to refute what doctors in this country and around the world agree on. That circumcision is a bunch of bs. Just admit it one more time for yourself to realise that circumcision is a bunch of bs. Just say that and you won't have your child butchered. Why do you want to butcher your childs penis for? Let him do whatever he wants and don't make a bunch of 'medical/hygine' reasons. The truth is that a bunch of stupid girls think ewww and uncut penis. Thats why.

Sorry, but I am not going to change my position. I have found a host of possible health benefits that come with circumcision. The only medical negative I have heard is that is somehow decreases sexual sensation, which I have already discussed and do not agree with.

On one hand I have a whole host of possible medical benefits, on the other hand I have the loss of sensation and "butchering" arguement. I do not consider it "butchering," and in all honesty I see the foreskin to be on par with the other vestigial structures I listed above.

Again, if you don't want your son circumcised, knock yourself out. I was asked my opinion, and I gave it along with the reasoning behind it. Contrary to your statement, I'd also add that there is no agreement or concensus among world health figures when it comes to circumcision. Using previous logic, if that were the case, there wouldn't be circumcisions, would there? What doctor would perform one against the recommendations of the entire world medical community?

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Originally posted by NeoPhono What doctor would perform one against the recommendations of the entire world medical community?

Somebody appointed by Bush.

Sorry, had to resurrect the thread.

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Male circumcision greatly reduces HIV risk: studies Wed Dec 13, 2006 3:59pm ET135 By Will Dunham WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Circumcising men cuts their risk of being infected with the AIDS virus in half, and could prevent hundreds of thousands or even millions of new infections, researchers said on Wednesday. Circumcising men worked so well that the researchers stopped two large clinical trials in Kenya and Uganda to announce the results, although they cautioned that the procedure does not make men immune to the virus. Public health leaders hailed the results as pointing to a potentially powerful way to reduce HIV infections in Africa, the continent hardest hit by AIDS. "It does have the potential to prevent many tens of thousands, many hundreds of thousands and perhaps millions of infections over coming years," Dr. Kevin De Cock, director of the World Health Organization's Department of HIV/AIDS, told reporters. A U.S. National Institutes of Health study in Kisumu, Kenya, involving 2,784 men aged 18 to 24 showed a 53 percent reduction of HIV infections in circumcised men compared to uncircumcised men. A parallel study involving 4,996 men aged 15 to 49 in Rakai, Uganda, showed circumcised men were 48 percent less likely than uncircumcised men to become infected. Researchers previously had noticed that in places where circumcision is common, HIV was less common. Results of the first major study on the issue were reported last year out of South Africa, with researchers seeing a 60 percent reduction in HIV risk for circumcised men. Researchers viewed the new trials as strong confirmation. Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the NIH's National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said the institute ended both trials early and offered circumcision to all men involved in them. The trials began in 2005 and were due to go until mid-2007. HIV PREVENTION "These results indicate that adult male circumcision could be an important addition to an HIV prevention strategy for men. Male circumcision can lower both an individual's risk of infection and hopefully the rate of HIV spread through the community," Fauci said. Experts say the prevalence of male circumcision varies by region in African countries south of the Sahara, with large numbers of men in some areas remaining uncircumcised. Fauci said while the initial circumcision benefits would be fewer HIV infections in men, the practice could lead to fewer women getting infected in parts of the world like Africa where the virus is passed largely through sex between a man and woman, not homosexual sex. Another study is underway in Uganda assessing HIV infection risk for women with circumcised partners. Experts say the reduced HIV risk may be because cells on the inside of the foreskin, the part of the penis cut off in circumcision, are particularly susceptible to HIV infection. HIV also may survive better in a warm, wet environment like that found beneath a foreskin. Fauci said circumcision is not completely protective "and must be seen as a powerful addition to, not a replacement for, other HIV prevention methods." Fauci said the benefits could be negated by small decreases in condom use by men or if men add more sexual partners. "These results only apply to men where the risk of HIV transmission is through the penis. Transmission by injection drug use or receptive anal intercourse will not be affected by adult male circumcision," Fauci added. De Cock said public health experts might encounter cultural and social barriers in parts of Africa to male circumcision. Of the 39.5 million people worldwide infected with the human immunodeficiency virus, 24.7 million are in sub-Saharan Africa. About 25 million people have died from AIDS since it was first identified a quarter century ago.

Finally, a legitimate reason for circumcision.

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Originally posted by Sunsnail Finally, a legitimate reason for circumcision.

It's actually not. Way to resurrect this stupid thread that will NEVER EVER DIE.

So... as long as it's here to stay, what do you guys think about female circumcision?

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Originally posted by Sunsnail Finally, a legitimate reason for circumcision.

Yeah, i was going to post that. At least in third world countries where AIDS is a serious epidemic.

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Originally posted by venomX Yeah, i was going to post that. At least in third world countries where AIDS is a serious epidemic.

I'd suggest that the total removal of the penis would yield a greater reduction in the spread of AIDS. It might reduce overpopulation, too.

i like my turtle neck.. its not really flopping like many others, so its like looks semi circumsised.. i like it lol.. lets me masturbate without baby oil, and it keeps the little man safe from alot of boxer brushing.. which in the long run will desensitify the head..

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Originally posted by dj_alfi i like my turtle neck.. its not really flopping like many others, so its like looks semi circumsised.. i like it lol.. lets me masturbate without baby oil, and it keeps the little man safe from alot of boxer brushing.. which in the long run will desensitify the head..

Wait, let me get this straight...you think circumsized men need baby oil or other lubricants to masturbate?

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Originally posted by NeoPhono Wait, let me get this straight...you think circumsized men need baby oil or other lubricants to masturbate?

they always do it in the movies.. i jsut assumed it.. i try not to think about other men masturbating lol

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Originally posted by Arbiter I'd suggest that the total removal of the penis would yield a greater reduction in the spread of AIDS. It might reduce overpopulation, too.

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Body nullification against HIV Wed Dec 09, 2006 9:00am ET135 By Gary Parkes Scientists from the Royal Institute of Epidemic Research have found a possible link between body nullification and lower levels of Sexually Transmitted Diseases, such as HIV. Body nullification is extreme body modification that involves the voluntary removal of body parts. Body nullification is a well documented phenomenon in modern society, aided in popularity (or at least given a higher profile) by the ability to share information via the Internet that might otherwise be kept isolated or private. "There are no reported cases of HIV transmission through sexual intercourse among individuals that have undergone voluntary penectomy", says Dr. Charles Robert Singh, "although infection by contaminated needles is still possible". The research, involving 250 men in Great Britain, Germany and Sweden has found that none of these individuals had STDs, and that their sex life can be considered 'healthy'. "Maybe it's time to review our prejudices against Body Integrity Identity Disorder (BIID), and accept it as a preventive method", claimed Dr. Singh. "Personally, I'm thinking of doing that myself".

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061209/ap_on_re_eu/nullos_and_hiv

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Originally posted by NeoPhono Wait, let me get this straight...you think circumsized men need baby oil or other lubricants to masturbate?

If you masterbate too much with an uncircumzied penis can you get like rubbing burn mark? Like a rug burn on your penis?

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Originally posted by BiG-_BoSS If you masterbate too much with an uncircumzied penis can you get like rubbing burn mark? Like a rug burn on your penis?

I'm "cut," so I don't know. I'm sure if you whack it like a horny little monkey on E, anything is possible.


I have a cure for AIDS. Everyone with AIDS/HIV...don't have sex or share bodily fluids. In a few years AIDS will be a distant memory. Cheap, simple and effective.

I'm not cut so I don't really know. When cut guys fap isnt there a lot of friction? I know it wouldn't be enjoyable to me.

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Originally posted by Sunsnail I'm not cut so I don't really know. When cut guys fap isnt there a lot of friction? I know it wouldn't be enjoyable to me.

OK...not to get too graphic (pardon me if I do). When a circumcised man "faps," it's not like he's trying to polish a pole. Your hand doesn't rub against your skin like you're trying to start a fire as you "punch the clown." Instead, you grab on, and the skin you have a hold of stays fixed relative to your hand. The skin moves along with your hand as you "beat your meat." The exact same way an uncut man "chokes the Bishop."

Oh god, I feel dirty. I need a shower.

Ok, so it's pretty much the same thing except less skin...

So I recently discoeverd that at least in the case of Islam there's no religious basis for circumcision whatsoever. Apparently it's a semitic custom predating Islam, and I think even Judiasm. Christianity having Judiac roots, brought it over to the West. I'm not familiar with this practice in other parts of the world so I won't comment on it. Supposedly the old testament explicitly states a "necessity" for male circumcision. Are there actually any medicinal benefits derived from the practice (since I haven't reasearched it much)? And I'm not that obsessed with my penis to make the effort, out of all the things I could spend my time researching independetly, dedicate a whole lot of time to something as arbitrary as circumcision. Neo, if you already ansere this question in this thread, as it's long as fuck (not to mention seems to revolve around Psy-T's penis), could you quote your response?

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