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Originally posted by Psy-T no, in all likeliness that '75bpm' piece would still be a 150bpm piece in reality, regardless of the fact it was written at half that tempo. dividing the tempo yet at the same time multiplying the number of beats to the same number carries little significance to the tempo of a track.

hmm... it depends. You'd have some problems if you took the bars/measures into consideration, for example.

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Originally posted by Lira It's been the other way round to me: I now like stuff ranging 250~300 BPM

Holy sh*t...thats fast..what about 350 or 400 BPM??? ..is that even possible??

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Originally posted by Spirit5 Holy sh*t...thats fast..what about 350 or 400 BPM??? ..is that even possible??

Speedcore says "aye, possible"

1bpm-4bpm

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Originally posted by Lira Speedcore says "aye, possible"

Wow thats crazy....I don't think i'de know what to do with something that fast...damn...kill some brain-cells, bust an ear drum, have a heart-attack...

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Originally posted by Lira hmm... it depends. You'd have some problems if you took the bars/measures into consideration, for example.

it's not often that you're presented with bars & other measures when listening to vinyls or audio cd's/mp3's now, is it?

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Originally posted by Spirit5 Wow thats crazy....I don't think i'de know what to do with something that fast...damn...kill some brain-cells, bust an ear drum, have a heart-attack...

I haven't heard the tunes in this particular website, but you can see some samples of speedcore right here.

As for the 250-300 BPM range, I was talking about Hardcore Punk, actually, which is not exactly EDM

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Originally posted by Psy-T it's not often that you're presented with bars & other measures when listening to vinyls or audio cd's/mp3's now, is it?

But their existence is still important for the structure of the music, that's what I meant to say A track produced at 90 BPM per second and a track produced at 180 BPM can't be considered as having the same speed - although beat-matching becomes less of a problem in such scenario.

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Originally posted by Lira It's been the other way round to me: I now like stuff ranging 250~300 BPM

wtf ? what music/genre is that?

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Originally posted by Lira I haven't heard the tunes in this particular website, but you can see some samples of speedcore right here. As for the 250-300 BPM range, I was talking about Hardcore Punk, actually, which is not exactly EDM

Wow i'm listening to "Bash Your Brains" by DJ Plaque and this is exactly what I want to do when listening to this stuff...bash my brain...aaahhh I don't even think i'de dance to this stuff....

Speedcore can go up past 300 bpm. I tend to think of it as a novelty as actually writing music that is anything other than a kickdrum and off hihat is pretty challenging at this tempo.

Stuff like Masters of Rave and Tron are noteable examples of hardcore thats pushing the speed barrier. Its kind of amusing sometimes but once you start going past 300bpm it just becomes so minimal that theres not much there except when it breaks down. Id like to hear some breakcore going up this fast as Im curious as to what it would sound like. Probably stupid though.

Especially if you see Dutch hardcore being played out in a Dutch nightclub and see how some people attempt to dance to something this fast. Its hilarious.

You get some people that basically seem to go into anaphalactic shock and just flail all over the place like a pit ninja but more spastic. Then you get the more reserved ones that stand absolutely still and put their feet together, then kind of hunch over and nod/shake (?) their head and neck really really quickly but not shuffle more than a few inches from their spot.

Then there are some that kind of jog on the spot really fast with the knees up really high. I always find that funny when someone does that.

Then you get some of the more conscienceous dancers who try to do something clever like put their foot down on every 2nd beat to try and make the music danceable, only to find it doesnt really work that well and they misstep all over when there are irregular phrases and such. Seeing it all kick off in a dingy Amsterdam blacked out room is like watching some kind of Medieval battlefield. Only the warriors are 50 or so Dutch nutcases and a couple of tourists in for the hell of it (like me ). And nobody is intentially trying to kill anyone else. Its total carnage

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Originally posted by Psy-T most if not all plastikman tracks have a fixed identifiable bpm

Yeah. When I said "all that" I meant the experimental shit he mentioned (just for clarity).

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Originally posted by Lira But their existence is still important for the structure of the music, that's what I meant to say A track produced at 90 BPM per second and a track produced at 180 BPM can't be considered as having the same speed...

yet all of them (the tracks that comply to the rules i stated earlier) could not be positively discerned to be the tempo they were created in; assuming a standard monotonous beat is present throughout an entire minute (for simplicity's sake), measuring the bpm will produce exactly the same result regardless of whether a track is at 90bpm or at 180bpm with double the distance between the beats.

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90bpm 1 - - - 2 - - - 3 - - - 4 - - - 180bpm 1-------2-------3-------4-------

(copy that into notepad if the numbers aren't aligned)

there's no audible difference between those two examples whatsoever; even being told that the latter example is produced at 180bpm doesn't hold any ground, because:

1. the piece still measures at 90bpm
   
2. it's glaringly obvious it is only so for quantization's sake (or eccentricity's sake), and
   
3. attaining new knowledge of a piece does not alter it's nature

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Can't really say it matters. Though I've noticed that the older I get the lower I like my BPM's... eep.

Same here... mine around 124-136, but it also depends the mood I'm on during that particular night.

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Originally posted by ThaMaestro wtf ? what music/genre is that?

Even Mickey Mouse Hardcore Punk can be that fast All you need to remember is that Sid Vicious, who hated disco with passion, started playing faster and faster so listeners could easily distinguish both genres.

And, as Derivative said, there's also speedcore, which was born to be fast. The beauty of speedcore is that it creates with speed some interesting aural illusions.

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Originally posted by Psy-T yet all of them (the tracks that comply to the rules i stated earlier) could not be positively discerned to be the tempo they were created in; assuming a standard monotonous beat is present throughout an entire minute (for simplicity's sake), measuring the bpm will produce exactly the same result regardless of whether a track is at 90bpm or at 180bpm with double the distance between the beats.

Indeed, if you double the distance between the beats, it halves the tempo - however, claiming that they're the same speed is not acceptable at all. If you do have a supposedly 180 BPM fast tune that has an audible beat every two beats, it cannot be considered 180 BPM. That's why you don't hear anyone saying that drum'n'bass ranges from 75-90 BPM: It doesn't. The beat clearly sets the speed in the 150-180 BPM range. Otherwise you end up coming to the fallacious conclusion that 120 BPM music is actually a 480 BPM tune with one beat every four beats.

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Wait, aren't we saying the same thing?

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Originally posted by Lira Indeed, if you double the distance between the beats, it halves the tempo - however, claiming that they're the same speed is not acceptable at all. If you do have a supposedly 180 BPM fast tune that has an audible beat every two beats, it cannot be considered 180 BPM. That's why you don't hear anyone saying that drum'n'bass ranges from 75-90 BPM: It doesn't. The beat clearly sets the speed in the 150-180 BPM range. Otherwise you end up coming to the fallacious conclusion that 120 BPM music is actually a 480 BPM tune with one beat every four beats. ... Wait, aren't we saying the same thing?

pretty much

don't ask me why though, you're the one who debated my initial point.. which was basically the same as what you just wrote in this one

these days i like from like 123-127
i used to like it around 145-150 but enough of that nonsense

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Originally posted by Psy-T pretty much don't ask me why though, you're the one who debated my initial point.. which was basically the same as what you just wrote in this one

I blame it on the fact that I've had just 15 hours of sleep since Monday

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Can't really say it matters. Though I've noticed that the older I get the lower I like my BPM's... eep.

true. 130 is about right, but i like to keep it about 124-125. perfect chill bpm i think. i used to like it around 138-144. nothing faster than that though.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Yeah. When I said "all that" I meant the experimental shit he mentioned (just for clarity).

Hawtin is just a different beast plain and simple.Some of his stuff can barely be classified as music while others are simply brilliant.He has many tracks that have a beat without really having one.It doesnt make sense...i know, but neither does Richie sometimes.Some of the tracks with harder to define beats actually have a funk and vibe of their own.
/rambling tangent.

Its not that experimental really and has been quite established for quite a long while.

right now for me i prefer 115 to 124


wow i cant believe im actually saying this

125-132

138-140

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Originally posted by Derivative Especially if you see Dutch hardcore being played out in a Dutch nightclub and see how some people attempt to dance to something this fast. Its hilarious. You get some people that basically seem to go into anaphalactic shock and just flail all over the place like a pit ninja but more spastic. Then you get the more reserved ones that stand absolutely still and put their feet together, then kind of hunch over and nod/shake (?) their head and neck really really quickly but not shuffle more than a few inches from their spot. Then there are some that kind of jog on the spot really fast with the knees up really high. I always find that funny when someone does that.

we call that 'Hakken', or 'Hakken & Zagen' ... it was very popular here in the netherlands when hardcore & gabber was very popular, lets say half till mid 90's (95-00) ... if you could 'hakken', u sometimes even got respect. its quite difficult to do it rhythmic, and its very though, you need a good condition ..

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