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Originally posted by Goashem why do atheist always blame religion? like atheist are saints (haha), theres plenty of godless murderers.

It's due to moral relativism and political correctness.

Instead of having the guts to admit that there's a problem within Islam, they blame all religions.

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf It's due to moral relativism and political correctness.

LOL you're more of moral universalist than practicing Muslims

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Originally posted by 7-4-7 ^^^^^^^^ I dont buy shit like this either. The definition of a terrorist has become a catch all for all criminals motivated by hating a country. I will personally let this one stew in the media. Let's see how harper will all of a sudden open himself up to the media on this one....curious why would a "terrorist cell" decide to attack now?...maybe we'll let the conservative lackys stumble on that question for a while. nb. (on that point) at least 7 of the 11, 9/11 terrorists are still alive.

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Co...ol=969048863474

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Sources told the Star that the group had been watched by Canada's spy service since 2004 and a criminal investigation by the RCMP began last year.

Are you suggesting that Harper initiated the investigation when he was merely Leader of the Opposition?

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Co...ol=969048863474 Are you suggesting that Harper initiated the investigation when he was merely Leader of the Opposition?

thank you, read more than that article on the topic, generally Terrorist media spreads like wildfire and you read it whether you care to or not.

Your question, where in my statement did I suggest anything of the sort?

I was elaborating, speculating that it will be interesting to see how harper deals with this specific situation with respect to the media that he has such issue with.

I dont beleive anything I am told to beleive on matters of terrorism, national threats and any facts meant to sway my fear, so that I am in favour of actions against these "threats".

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Originally posted by fayraree fuckface

that is my word... and I see you are putting it to use

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Originally posted by Jem_hadar Atheism for the win.

Actually im agnostic

HA HA! some very good responses here. definitely worth a chuckle.

but i'll tell you something else:

FEAR RULES THE WORLD! ... everything rotates around this and is being held in check, thereby in hostage, by the idea that there is a so-called 'enemy without a face'. how convenient! well, let's call him arab and muslim, and well, why not throw fanaticism and terrorism in there as well while we're at it? religion is a 'good' reason to wage wars & stir shit while it is also a good excuse to brainwash and control the masses!

what a hoax. you're all being had! hahaha!!


p.s. like your response, malek, about the flowers and the sun!

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what a hoax. you're all being had! hahaha!!

So true, but its extremely depressing rather than funny how as humans we can be brainwashed so easily..police state here we come! I cant wait to live surrounded by fear all around me!

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Originally posted by Adamo relatives trying to get into the courthouse...

Shit that cop looks so hardcore.

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Shit that cop looks so hardcore.

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20060603/capt.606c263e4b4b44de9e165a3dd3974eab.canada_terrorism_arrests__cptd114.jpg?x=269&y=345&sig=9OUQ86mn57xxw2bGp1pHow--

LOL this guy reminds me of when I used to play counterstrike.

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Originally posted by simms327 i dont buy this. its a perfect excuse for harper to push a more conservative agenda fear, ladies and gentlemen. it grows exponentially, and with it a gov't can do whatever it want - i.e. bush regime in US. guantanamo, no warrant wire tapping, arrest without charge.. etc.

+1

This government is like a fuckin disease and it is spreading fast and they are getting into peoples head.They must be removed asap.I would hate to live in a country that is as fuckedup as the United States.

We shouldnt be in Afghanistan,Canada is known for it is peacekeeping missions not fighting combats like how they are in Afghanistan today.
I have a feeling we will be involved in more U.S fuckups in the near future simply because this cowboy wants to close to the Americans so bad.Canada will never be the same unfortunatly.

was listening to AM680 news and this reatrd said something like: "report any suspicious activities or anyone that looks suspicious to the police"





wtf is that shit,why are they feeding shit like this to people?

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer "report any suspicious activities or anyone that looks suspicious to the police" why are they feeding shit like this to people?

Common sense would say - because seemingly "normal" people had enough explosive material to detonate a large building in Toronto and intended on using it.

fayraree & hardcore trancer:

You both have a lot to say on this issue - which is good, I am interested in your opinion and perspective.

What I find inconsistent however is that neither of you have fully, and harshly condemned the atrocious activities of the suspected Ontario terrorists (without some sort of "but... The West (Canada) is overstepping it's bounds... etc." type of disclaimer or some other rationalization).

I applaud Malek, since he makes his position on this specific issue very clear (whereas your position is somewhat clouded with "exceptions"/"disclaimers").

"One of the guys arrested... I sat beside him in english class..."
My friend just reported this to me...

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker fayraree & hardcore trancer: You both have a lot to say on this issue - which is good, I am interested in your opinion and perspective. What I find inconsistent however is that neither of you have fully, and harshly condemned the atrocious activities of the suspected Ontario terrorists (without some sort of "but... The West (Canada) is overstepping it's bounds... etc." type of disclaimer or some other rationalization). I applaud Malek, since he makes his position on this specific issue very clear (whereas your position is somewhat clouded with "exceptions"/"disclaimers").

Exactly.

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker What I find inconsistent however is that neither of you have fully, and harshly condemned the atrocious activities of the suspected Ontario terrorists (without some sort of "but... The West (Canada) is overstepping it's bounds... etc." type of disclaimer or some other rationalization).

Iam aginst terrorism but lets think about why we would be in this situaiton in the first place.Canada is known world wide for its multiculturlism and after today I have a feeling this country is about to get divded and people wont be looking at eachother the same way and it will get worse.This is why I was afraid of when Harper took over,that he will following the American routes and will flush the canadian values and what we always stood for down the toilet.
I would hate to see this country becoming another paranoid nation like America.

Americans are fucked in everyway and they know it and they cant do shit about it,but WE CAN and this government has to go before it is to late.

Us being in Afghanistan will not make us safer either and if some of you think thats the case then you need to look at the bigger picture here.

^ wow you really have no faith in people and dont trust canadians at all if you think we all going to turn against muslims all of a sudden.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer Iam aginst terrorism but lets think about why we would be in this situaiton in the first place.Canada is known world wide for its multiculturlism and after today I have a feeling this country is about to get divded and people wont be looking at eachother the same way and it will get worse.This is why I was afraid of when Harper took over,that he will following the American routes and will flush the canadian values and what we always stood for down the toilet. I would hate to see this country becoming another paranoid nation like America. Americans are fucked in everyway and they know it and they cant do shit about it,but WE CAN and this government has to go before it is to late. Us being in Afghanistan will not make us safer either and if some of you think thats the case then you need to look at the bigger picture here.

YOU seem paranoid.

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Originally posted by Goashem ^ wow you really have no faith in people and dont trust canadians at all if you think we all going to turn against muslims all of a sudden.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer Us being in Afghanistan will not make us safer either and if some of you think thats the case then you need to look at the bigger picture here.

What transpired today in Ontario proves just the opposite.

Events like today clearly show the type of influence that rogue governments and foreign terrorist organizations have on our domestic safety.

If anything - domestic terrorist cells (ones based on the ideals and beliefs of rogue governments and foreign terrorists) boost support for foreign action on the "war on terror" and show just how necessary it is for Canada and other countries to fight to defend our interests and our safety abroad.

The "big picture" is such that we are not safe until the people who lead, train and enable terrorists are caught, prosecuted and locked-up (and if a big part of that mission is instilling democracy in foreign lands [so that the people can do that job themselves], then so be it).

I feel the communities of which terrorists belong to, no matter what religion or cause they are for, must weed out the extremists from their organizations. No one in their communities are willing to speak out against them, they are scared of them too. But they have to be taken out at the root.

Don't blame governments here, if the extremists didn't act like they do, they wouldn't be so hard on all of us. As a Canadian I support my country, and love living here, and as a Canadian (I spell it with a capital C like everyone should, btw) I choose to support my government over extremists.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Actually im agnostic

That's good ennuf!

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Originally posted by disko-kandi FEAR RULES THE WORLD! ...

"People are stupid; given proper motivation, almost anyone will believe almost anything. They will believe a lie because they want to believe it's true, or because they are afraid it might be true...

Passion rules reason.

The only sovereign you can allow to rule you is reason."

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Originally posted by ++ EGO ++ "One of the guys arrested... I sat beside him in english class..." My friend just reported this to me...

no shit!!! was he normal?!

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker What transpired today in Ontario proves just the opposite. Events like today clearly show the type of influence that rogue governments and foreign terrorist organizations have on our domestic safety. If anything - domestic terrorist cells (ones based on the ideals and beliefs of rogue governments and foreign terrorists) boost support for foreign action on the "war on terror" and show just how necessary it is for Canada and other countries to fight to defend our interests and our safety abroad. The "big picture" is such that we are not safe until the people who lead, train and enable terrorists are caught, prosecuted and locked-up (and if a big part of that mission is instilling democracy in foreign lands [so that the people can do that job themselves], then so be it).

You cover a lot of issues that are still in the grey area for me. I truly believe that we should tread carefully in these times. Desperate/sweeping measures may become our transition into a xenophobic society.

There must be measures in place to prevent terrorism from happening, and today we have seen that our government capable of doing so. I don't think anyone will disagree with that. Whether or not we must put more measures into place is debatable. It will be a slippery slope we go down when we pass terrorism legislation. Suddenly throwing rocks in protest at say Queen's Park could be considered an act of terrorism. I think you should be arrested if you start throwing rocks in a protest, but when a judge is feeling particularly punishing, or there is media hype, s/he might use terrorism laws.

Foreign action becomes even more questionable with that being said. You are now imposing your power on them. As we have seen, such diplomatic policies end up backfiring. Can we now say that we are allowed to exercise our interests in someone else's backyard? Iraq is an excellent example. The country itself posed absolutely no direct threat to the United States of America nor its territories. State-sponsored terrorism? That's still up for debate. But Vx rockets were not going to be flying over the atlantic.

Many early Roman conquests were dubbed as defensive expansion. They were afraid that their neighbours would invade, so they invaded first. Does that make sense? I don't know.

I see a lot of extremism in this thread. On one hand, some believe we should have a much tighter immigration policy (We rely heavily on immigrant skills to run this country) and on the other hand I hear that certain groups are being unfairly targetted (Though we have seen that the terrorists continually emerge from these groups) and implying that we're bordering on xenophobia. I guess I stand somewhere in between.

I just wanted to throw my thoughts out there and see if anyone had any input on it.

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Originally posted by fayraree LOL they let you in.

my first thought! the fvcker terrorizes me on a daily basis

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