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hey if you cant make people jealous whats the point of being a wop

minimal is pretty much done now.
seriously, if you think minimal is still the next big thing you might as well be talking about that big party sounding electro house, tribal, or even trancey progressive.

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Originally posted by yeahyeahyeah minimal is pretty much done now. seriously, if you think minimal is still the next big thing you might as well be talking about that big party sounding electro house, tribal, or even trancey progressive.

You know, what I realised, is it doesn't matter what the "next big thing" is, just go with what you like, and what suits you. Sure knowing and acknowledging something new that could be big is nice, but it beats the purpose of listening to music.

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Originally posted by yeahyeahyeah minimal is pretty much done now. seriously, if you think minimal is still the next big thing you might as well be talking about that big party sounding electro house, tribal, or even trancey progressive.

To say such things is rather ignorant and na�ve.

People have been saying that for almost two years and honestly it�s a joke. The people saying it are the people pissed off that the crowds that used to go to there shows are now going to more intelligent shows. Stripped down or minimal music in general is such a more mature sound that a lot of people are threatened by it. Instead of cheesy producers using layer upon layer of crap people are finding fewer samplers of well produced material to be more appealing.

Yes minimal has been the tag word to use as of late and is often misused or misunderstood. You will find some people shying away from the term however the idea and influence will continue to exist.

Not everyone will get it but there is a swing in the guard because people are realizing that you don�t need all that garbage to make a groove and to get people to dance. Say what you want but people who don�t find it appealing are always going to hate on the movement or swing of things because its not in there taste. The minimal concept has been around for over 10 years and will continue to exist.

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Originally posted by Chris Allen I think that things are definitely slowing down in EDM. Trance used to be up at 140 bpm and just pounding, techno used to be up there with hard basslines and big cutting. Now things are slowing down and people are merging different genre's while they play. I personally really enjoy how the fusion of genre's is making DJ's work harder to find the really great hidden gems to impress the crowd. Not sure if you would consider it minimal or techno, but since I heard Tiesto drop it in Miami I've been stuck on "Julian Jeweil - Air Conditionne". "Oxia - Domino" is another fantastic tune. I will have to say though that a full set of minimal or techno DJ's in a row is a bit much for me personally. But it's nice to see different DJ's trying to mix it up who wouldn't have normally played something like that years ago.

Some minimal sucks ass, some is great- but Chris Allen has made the smartest comment in this thread. Eclecticism is a good thing and that fact that DJs are looking at more genres to find MUSIC from is a really good thing. I think there is a LOT of fresh sounds nowadays and if you complain you can't find anything to listen to, you aren't looking hard enough (or at all).


Oh and some spam, click my sig if you want some eclectic beatz.

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Originally posted by Quadlow To say such things is rather ignorant and na�ve. People have been saying that for almost two years and honestly it�s a joke. The people saying it are the people pissed off that the crowds that used to go to there shows are now going to more intelligent shows. Stripped down or minimal music in general is such a more mature sound that a lot of people are threatened by it. Instead of cheesy producers using layer upon layer of crap people are finding fewer samplers of well produced material to be more appealing. Yes minimal has been the tag word to use as of late and is often misused or misunderstood. You will find some people shying away from the term however the idea and influence will continue to exist. Not everyone will get it but there is a swing in the guard because people are realizing that you don�t need all that garbage to make a groove and to get people to dance. Say what you want but people who don�t find it appealing are always going to hate on the movement or swing of things because its not in there taste. The minimal concept has been around for over 10 years and will continue to exist.

ive always subscribed to the less is more theory.
but there is no denying that the market is becoming saturated with the typical minimal sound. whenever this happens with any sound of the moment, it will inevitably move to the peripheries of the spotlight.
thats all im saying.
minimal has been around for a long time and i dont think its going to disappear. but pretty soon no one will give a fuck about it anymore.
all these people who are goin on about minimal, the same way they were going on about tribal and electro not even a year ago, will move onto somethign else.

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Originally posted by yeahyeahyeah ive always subscribed to the less is more theory. but there is no denying that the market is becoming saturated with the typical minimal sound. whenever this happens with any sound of the moment, it will inevitably move to the peripheries of the spotlight. thats all im saying. minimal has been around for a long time and i dont think its going to disappear. but pretty soon no one will give a fuck about it anymore. all these people who are goin on about minimal, the same way they were going on about tribal and electro not even a year ago, will move onto somethign else.

Very true and I can understand your point. I will almost be happier when that day happens because what is left are the people who truly due enjoy the genre. Whether people want to believe it or not the majority of them fall victim to popular trends in music. It is very hard for a lot of people to formulate there own opinions on things of artistic nature. So in turn things like minimal will continue to surge in popularity and hopefully survive afterwards.

I just get a little touchy when people make some sort of indication that because the buzz is gone that the demand and respect for it will diminish. I don�t believe we will see this happen in comparison to genres like electro (which really isn�t even electro) because of the tastefulness of the music. Personally straight up minimal can be a bore however the concept of stripping music back is essential for our scene to progress. It forces producers to really focus and perform at a higher level compared to the pile on attitude of trance and progressive.

Minimal is my new tribal.... seriously amazing sounds. I never did like electro, hurt my head after a while.

But minimal ^5

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Originally posted by MissK Minimal is my new tribal.... seriously amazing sounds. I never did like electro, hurt my head after a while. But minimal ^5

KATY - je t'aime SI BEAUCOUP!

You are soooooo my girl more and more these days! (even thats even possible based friendship over the years dating back to our Collingwood/Stay/Glencairn/Brentwood days )

I love that... even since learning before going to my cousin Dustin's wedding that minimal was 'ur thing' ... well, its like i just became re-smitten with you all over

i guess minimal could be like my new tribal too.. .seeing as i no longer really like it, but was absolutely into it back in 2005.

and we're in TOTAL agreement on not liking electro. annoying and totally hurts my brain after a very short whiel too

ok I am gonna get shit on for this.......



I think Minimal is ballz


so boring, progessive music with raindrops...



can take maybe 5 minutes of it, and thats the good stuff.


Dont get me wrong love my techno but I need to be in a grove and that stuff doesnt do it for me.

*ducks*

keep in mind that minimal has many subgenres, i find some stuff to be boring also but some of it is absolutely amazing

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Originally posted by geroin keep in mind that minimal has many subgenres, i find some stuff to be boring also but some of it is absolutely amazing

Can you name some so I can download it and check it out? I would appreciate it

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Originally posted by urban_legend Can you name some so I can download it and check it out? I would appreciate it

i really started appreciating minimal after listening to a couple of sets i downloaded, first i got interested after listening shitload of times to trentemoller sets about a year+ ago, I didn't like it first but it grew on me.. mostly his "La Noche Escabrosa" set (most of his sets are very similar because they are done live i guess). Then what finally did it for me is after seeing Audiofly at TIL by accident i kinda liked it so i downloaded their "Electronation" set. (both available in the HOUSE HEADS music thread).

After i started liking Ame, Gabriel Ananda, Radio Slave and many others

but try the audiofly set, it might work lol

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Originally posted by geroin i really started appreciating minimal after listening to a couple of sets i downloaded, first i got interested after listening shitload of times to trentemoller sets about a year+ ago, I didn't like it first but it grew on me.. mostly his "La Noche Escabrosa" set (most of his sets are very similar because they are done live i guess). Then what finally did it for me is after seeing Audiofly at TIL by accident i kinda liked it so i downloaded their "Electronation" set. (both available in the HOUSE HEADS music thread). After i started liking Ame, Gabriel Ananda, Radio Slave and many others but try the audiofly set, it might work lol

Thanks I will give er a try. See how she goes.

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Originally posted by urban_legend Thanks I will give er a try. See how she goes.

cool

We know nothing of minimal.

The minimal we get is fancied up tech-house or techy-techno.

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker We know nothing of minimal. The minimal we get is fancied up tech-house.

Very true. What most people call minimal right now, isn't really minimal. The stuff we hear in Toronto is tech house, but it's quite different sounding than the tech-house from days of yore.

Why do you guys think this new generation of tech house is being called minimal? Personally, I think it's because there are certain "sounds" (for lack of a better term) that you hear in modern day tech house that is also present in minimal in the true sense of the word.

Although this isn't the best set, this is an example of what I would consider to be "minimal" in the truest sense:

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker We know nothing of minimal. The minimal we get is fancied up tech-house or techy-techno.

Which, you can also go on to say that what most people perceive as tech-house really isn't tech-house at all.

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Originally posted by slingshot Which, you can also go on to say that what most people perceive as tech-house really isn't tech-house at all.

I haven't heard real tech-house in years...

All we get now is this techy scwheky house and it drives me nuts when people call it real tech house.

To be honest, I think a lot of the minimal people are talking about here (not all minimal music in general) is more related to last year's electro than it is to tech house.

Tech house is something I'd associate with at least some funky, jazzy, or disco elements, just with a harder edge in the rhythm section than classic house. But then, the tech house we had/have in Toronto was never much like real house either; it's mostly been drab, soulless drums, really closer to techno than house but without the speed, effects and technical skill generally present in techno.

The same goes for electro. What everybody was calling electro last year bore no resemblance to real electro from the time when house music was still in its infancy. The main distinctive element in electro was never clicks and pops, it was the 808. That 808 cowbell especially - everybody recognizes that sound. A lot of breaks producers still produce this kind of electro and a lot of breaks DJs still spin it. You'll hear at least a few of these in any Krafty Kuts set. Of course it sounds different with the newer production technology, but the resemblance is quite obvious and most of the music tends toward melodic rather than just percussive. Drums in real electro are often, well, pretty minimal.

What people are calling minimal now - the sound that seems to have caught on in Toronto this year - it's just last year's "electro" fad with the chipsounds (clicks and pops) removed and the drums thinned out to sound similar to (but obviously not the same as) those same chipsounds. As such, the sheep have assumed that this is what minimal really is: dull, percussive, un-funky tech-house, except with less percussion. You take music that's almost entirely percussive in nature and take out half the percussion and you have something that I suppose does make sense to call minimal, since there's not much there.

But it's not, really. The sad trend in Toronto's music scene should be painfully obvious to anyone who thinks about it:
- First we had regular, funky house music
- Then they took out the funky elements and replaced it with blander, but generally listenable "progressive" melodies and harmonies
- Then they took out all the melodic elements and it became tribal / tech house
- Then they took out most of the tribal drums and distinctive techno elements, threw in a couple of clicks and pops, and called it "electro"
- Now they've taken out the clicks and pops and removed a lot of the rhythmic elements and are calling it "minimal"
- Next year we'll all be listening to alternating bursts of white noise and total silence.

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Originally posted by slingshot Which, you can also go on to say that what most people perceive as tech-house really isn't tech-house at all.

yah, and i dont think what we perceive as house is really house either. totally.

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