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Originally posted by EvilTree You run. You fight for every loose ball. You play defence as best as you can. You work your tail off every possession. Simple.

The only two guys I saw do this the other night was Kris Humphries and PJ Tucker.

For a "run and gun" team, they seam WAY out of shape. I hope they get to this (tomorrow night) cuz its an exciting game to watch, but I didn't see it last night.

Raps are 2 and 2... Win over Philly tonight. So far doing ok.

Bosh is so far doing good... Turning into a monster rebounder plus he's developing a 3 pt shot...

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Originally posted by mute79 ahah, read an article today on Vince.. Apparently, he wants to come back to TO! He said he never had any beef with the city, but rather with the management.. lol, no thanks

has anyone seen that fantasy b-ball commercial with Vince and Jason Kidd... "business is business, though..."

haven't seen that yet...

but what a game last night, wow... joey graham played very well, great to see him in such great form!

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Originally posted by mute79 haven't seen that yet... but what a game last night, wow... joey graham played very well, great to see him in such great form!

Yeah, he and Kris Humphries looked great.

Anyone know why Peterson didn't play in the second half?

*sigh*
Same ol' news for Raps.

No inside game except Bosh and he can't do it by himself all the time. Settling for bad jumpers. Leaky defence, esp. perimeter D.

Bargnani needs to grow a set of balls. For a big man, he doesn't like getting bruised to get rebounds. His failure in 3rd quarter pretty much turned the game to Warriors favour last night.

I don't see how Mitchell can fix that. It's a mental thing.

Very early in the season, but need to fix that defence quick.

i think mitchell needs to go...

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Originally posted by slingshot i think mitchell needs to go...

Ohhh... That's a controversial statement...

It's too early to tell. Remember, the Raps have made a wholesale change to the squad over the summer, so players still need bit of time to gel as a team.

He does need help in defence coaching though.

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Originally posted by EvilTree Ohhh... That's a controversial statement... It's too early to tell. Remember, the Raps have made a wholesale change to the squad over the summer, so players still need bit of time to gel as a team. He does need help in defence coaching though.

have you watched any of his post game press conferences or seen any of his interviews? they get worse as each game passes. he's clueless right now.

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Originally posted by slingshot have you watched any of his post game press conferences or seen any of his interviews? they get worse as each game passes. he's clueless right now.

Mitchell's never been fond of the media.

He's got better things to do than appeasing the reporters and their neverending questions.

I'm not ready to give up on him yet.

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Originally posted by slingshot i think mitchell needs to go...

i was thinking that as the game against GS was winding down... it's very sad though, as he's never had a team to give him an opportunity to win and prove his coaching abilities...

i think TJ needs to take a seat for first half of the season and let jose lead the team... jose has been on fire since the start, and should be given the chance to show what he can do...

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Originally posted by mute79 i think TJ needs to take a seat for first half of the season and let jose lead the team... jose has been on fire since the start, and should be given the chance to show what he can do...

I agree, to a degree.

Calderon is going to be a solid point guard. He's still learning the game, but I don't think there are many point guards who has his passing and ability to slash into the bucket. Quick.

But, his confidence is rather shaky, if last year is any indication. While so far in pre season and season he has shown that he has improved remarkably (esp his jumpers) but this can go down the crappers fast if Raps hit a big losing streak.

Ford also needs time to adapt to Raptors too.

Well, Mitchell has to do something to shake up the lineup, so Calderon will get few starts in future.

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Originally posted by EvilTree Ohhh... That's a controversial statement... It's too early to tell. Remember, the Raps have made a wholesale change to the squad over the summer, so players still need bit of time to gel as a team. He does need help in defence coaching though.

agreed.

I think it was Doug Smith (Tor. Star) who pointed out that most other teams have more asst. coaches than the Raps and that many have hired someone to specifically work with rookie big men. He also noted that some teams even have free throw coaches, lol.

Mark Cuban was quoted, in response to the expense of having a large coaching staff, something along the lines of 'you know what is most expensive? losing'.

The Raps at least need a defensive specialist to come in and work with the team...and a retired big man to work with Bargnani. Offense has never been a problem for the Raps, but with Rasho on board, the thought was that we'd tighten up on the inside and that's not been happening.

theres talk about an another assistant coach?

Does Sam need help?
Another assistant to teach big guys might aid Raptors

Nov. 16, 2006. 06:02 AM
DAVE FESCHUK


Late in the third quarter of Tuesday night's Raptors-Warriors game, Andrea Bargnani, Toronto's rookie 7-footer, botched yet another defensive rebounding assignment. Caught out of position and whistled for a foul, Bargnani felt the wrath of Chris Bosh.

The Raptors all-star, frustrated by another in a line of mistakes that piled up to produce a 110-99 loss, slapped the rookie on the derriere in disgust and yelled unprintables in his direction.

It got an observer wondering: Who, besides Bosh, is teaching the 21-year-old Bargnani? And when? Sam Mitchell, the Raptors head coach, has bemoaned the lack of practice time during training camp. The crunch gets worse during the rigours of an NBA road trip. And it can't help that the Raptors have one of the smallest coach-to-player ratios in the league.

While the average club employs about 4.5 assistant coaches, according to official rosters, the Raptors have three, down one from last year, which goes contrary to the league-wide trend of larger staffs.

When the L.A. Lakers made 17-year-old Andrew Bynum, a 7-footer from New Jersey, the youngest player taken in the history of the NBA draft a couple of Junes ago, they subsequently hired a special assistant coach, Lakers legend Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, to tutor the teen. Now that Bynum, who turned 19 last month, has begun his second season as a productive starter, Abdul-Jabbar is getting some of the credit.

"Andrew is getting to work with the master ever day," Lamar Odom, the Lakers forward, has said, "and he's getting better and better."

It begs a question: Wouldn't it makes sense for the Raptors, who play the Lakers tomorrow night at the Staples Center, to seek out a big-man coach to work with their stable of young front-line players, from Bargnani, as important a player as they've ever drafted, to the 23-year-old Bosh, who is still developing?

"Absolutely," said Bryan Colangelo, the Toronto general manager. "And that's certainly one of things we talked about. But perhaps the most important thing is getting the right person, not just a person."

Colangelo pointed out that the addition of a big-man coach � or another coach or any stripe � would be no slight against his current group of assistants, Jim Todd, Jay Triano and Alex English. The GM said he considered expanding the staff after the contract of assistant coach Gene Keady wasn't renewed this summer, asking permission to speak to assistant coaches employed elsewhere. All candidates, said Colangelo, "decided to stay where they were."

"We have gone through so much change, and (got) into the coaching discussions perhaps a little late," said Colangelo. "We didn't feel like we had the right candidate to add. But if the right person came along ..."

Big-man tutelage, though it may be changing in a small-ball era, has long been seen as a niche. Pete Newell, the renowned Vancouver-born coach, has groomed a veritable forest of trees at his in-demand summer camp. Many teams see the value of a specialist. Among Toronto's Atlantic Division rivals, for example, the Philadelphia 76ers recently hired hall of fame centre Moses Malone. The Celtics have Clifford Ray. The Nets, Bill Cartwright.

And then there are the Dallas Mavericks. The 2006 finalists employ three bench assistants to head coach Avery Johnson. They also boast four employees with the title "assistant coach for player development" (who weren't included in calculating the size of the league's average coaching staff for the purpose of this article). Brad Davis, the NBA alumnus, works with guards. Popeye Jones, a former Raptor, is one of three assistants charged with working with the big guys. The Mavericks also pay a free-throw coach. And they're the rare team whose staff psychologist goes on the road.

Dallas owner Mark Cuban, when asked about the expense � his top assistants have been rumoured to earn about $800,000 (all figures U.S.) while Johnson recently signed a five-year deal worth $20 million � has countered that the most expensive thing is losing.

Still, there are those who smirk at what is seen by some as widely emulated excess. Quipped Brent Barry of the San Antonio Spurs, they of the five assistants to head coach Gregg Popovich: "I think the more assistant coaches you have, the more blame you can share around."

With no shortage of broken plays and blown assignments in Raptorland, why not add another target for finger-pointing? Perhaps it's partly because Mitchell's contract (which pays him about $1.6 million a year) is up at season's end. A new assistant of Colangelo's choosing might have been seen as a possible replacement for the teetering head man, and certainly a source of friction.

Politics aside, it's difficult to argue the wisdom of one of the smallest coaching staffs in the league, no matter its skill, coaching a roster with nine new players, many with little or no NBA experience. Then again, it isn't everyone's idea of a dream job.

"Everybody gets excited about youth except the coach," Jeff Van Gundy, the Rockets head coach, told reporters recently, "because he knows youth means mistakes, mistakes mean losses, losses mean you're fired."

source Torontostar

I hope they get it together soon!

I'm soo looking forward to my 1st game I'll be attending this year on Dec 1st against the celtics. The season is still early but the raptors need to start a good run sooon.

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Originally posted by mute79 i was thinking that as the game against GS was winding down... it's very sad though, as he's never had a team to give him an opportunity to win and prove his coaching abilities... i think TJ needs to take a seat for first half of the season and let jose lead the team... jose has been on fire since the start, and should be given the chance to show what he can do...

i wholeheartedly disagree with both of your statements...he had a team with vince there, he has a team now. our current raptors have a ton of talent and with a good coach and good coaching strategies being implemented should be able to play .500 ball.

as for calderone, he is playing ok but i think mitchell is leaving him in the games for too long. he is good in spurts and he's finally starting to hit open shots but after being played for any longer than 5 mins he starts to go flat. as well, ford is averaging 15 points and 8 assists on the year...pretty damn good numbers for a pt. guard if you ask me.

Re: theres talk about an another assistant coach?

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Originally posted by dc star Does Sam need help? Another assistant to teach big guys might aid Raptors Nov. 16, 2006. 06:02 AM DAVE FESCHUK ...

thanks...I had the right paper, but wrong reporter

L.A. has KAREEM working with Bynum and we have basically no one working with Bargnani.

weak.

bring fucking Oakley back here to show the kids how to be aggressive under the boards

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Originally posted by MarkT bring fucking Oakley back here to show the kids how to be aggressive under the boards

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I love the Oak.

IMO he was one of the reasons why the Raps did so well during their playoff runs. Didn't fill the stats sheet, but you work your tail off or else Oak would kick your ass

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Originally posted by slingshot i wholeheartedly disagree with both of your statements...he had a team with vince there, he has a team now. our current raptors have a ton of talent and with a good coach and good coaching strategies being implemented should be able to play .500 ball.

the year sam came over, raps were a mess.. vince didn't want to play for this team, and sam kept on benching him as punishment (which i totally agree with)... then last season was a total mess with no bench talent whatsoever, and the starting 5 can't carry the team, especially not when your pg is mike james who elects to take each and every shot himself to fill up the stats sheet

blah

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Originally posted by EvilTree + I love the Oak. IMO he was one of the reasons why the Raps did so well during their playoff runs. Didn't fill the stats sheet, but you work your tail off or else Oak would kick your ass

true dat.

if Oak was here, Kobe would *not* have gone off for 80+ points on the Raps. He'd have proverbially smacked the shit out of his teammates (or literally smacked Kobe) at some point and put a stop to that shit ASAP, lol.

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Originally posted by MarkT true dat. if Oak was here, Kobe would *not* have gone off for 80+ points on the Raps. He'd have proverbially smacked the shit out of his teammates (or literally smacked Kobe) at some point and put a stop to that shit ASAP, lol.

I can see Kobe trying to drive against the Oak and run into a brick wall. It'll be foul on Oak's part, but Kobe wouldn't try that shit again because it hurts!

The Raps just don't have grit in defence

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