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Second 9-11 is comming if we can't stop Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
But this time, the influence will not be same.

This is just begining of the World War 3 which will be called as religion war also..

-Believe or NOT.

-The End.

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Originally posted by Aspy Second 9-11 is comming if we can't stop Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. But this time, the influence will not be same. This is just begining of the World War 3 which will be called as religion war also.. -Believe or NOT. -The End.

Interesting that you'd say that. Most conservatives have been throwing the term 'World War 3' around quite a bit. It certainly does seem like it's brewing, with minor to major conflict between the US, North Korea, China, Iran, Iraq, Isael, Lebanon, and Afghanistan (if that even still counts).

At the same time, some liberals assert that the use of the term 'World War 3' is simply a ploy used to distract the American public from the wars that we failed in the Middle East, i.e. the fact that we were not able to end terrorism, and the fact that Saddam had no WMD's.

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Originally posted by Scolomon technically israel isnt allowed nukes because although everyone is nearly positive they have nuclear capabilities they have never come out and said so explicitly they arent allowed to have nukes.pakistan was never allowed to have nukes either. they developed a program. as for it being unfair israel is occupying palestinian territories, these countries should have thought before they invaded israel in 1967. Israel took this land after all of these arab countries planned to take them off the map. If you lose your land trying to destroy another country you have no right to ask for it back 40 years later.

Technically the land never belonged to the Palestinians, the were just opportunistic in their take over of Israel when the Jews were mass deported. The Jews occupied that land in 1100 BC, which is well before Jesus was born and well before the New Testament was created.

The land of Gaza was never ruled by the Jews, so Im not gonna sit here and argue over something that just historically is backed. But I will argue the fact that the land was "taken" from the Palestinians, when the Assyrians conducted mass deportation of Jews in 722 BC of the Israelites of Israel and the Israelites of Judah in 586BC. Thats just from their homeland.

Jews were also expelled from:
England (1290): To help finance his war to conquer Wales, Edward I taxed the Jewish moneylenders. However, the cost of Edward's ambitions soon drained the money-lenders dry. When the Jews could no longer pay, the state accused them of disloyalty. Already restricted to a limited number of occupations, Edward furthermore abolished their right to lend money at interest, and eventually restricted their extra-curricular movements and activities. Edward decreed that all Jews wear a yellow patch in the shape of a star attached to their outer clothing to identify them in public (compare Star of David, Yellow badge). In the course of King Edward's persecution of the Jews, he arrested all the heads of Jewish households. The authorities took over 300 of them to the Tower of London and executed them, while killing others in their homes. Finally, in 1290, the King banished all Jews from the country.

France (1306): Philip IV arrested Jews so he could seize their goods to accommodate the inflated costs of modern warfare, condemned by his enemies in the Catholic Church as his spendthrift lifestyle.

Hungary (1349�1360): Pope Clement VI publishes a papal bull that condemns the Flagellants (anyone who did not join in the flagellation was accused of being in league with the devil. They also killed Jews and priests who opposed them.)

Provence (1394 and 1490), Austria (1421), Spain after the Reconquista, Portugal (1497), Russia in 1724, and various parts of Germany at various times, etc... etc...

We Jews ARE evil people. Damn us for being able to live normal and wealthy lives.

Now to debate the history of not just the Arab states, but Islam itself...

When was the last time you heard of a peaceful Islamic state?

Good thing I realized there was no point in posting anymore before it got ugly, but let me just say that Vlad, it's not necessary to google and wikipedia every fact about persecution of Jews; in your mind, you will always believe what you say to yourself in language masked with bravado and brazenness- "bomb all Islamic countries" and all that. I don't blame you - or rather, I blame you but I understand you - it has to do primarily with where you live right now and how you perceive yourself and your "people." It is your personality, nurtured and cradled by the people around you. Maybe you will mature and see that although you belong to one group of people, that does not preclude your understanding what another is going through. Until then, you are part of the problem. Farewell, compromise...

To that end, I say that everyone who has a one-sided perspective on this, everyone who defends one side because they have gotten into one mindset and can't get out of it is part of the problem.

Nobody wants to swallow their pride first; nobody wants to concede. So we kill, we as a people, who are all the same inside and yet fear our similarities and mask them with the paint of race, color, nationality, and religion...

this is all about fundamentalism. usame bin ladin,Hizbullah and many more terorists using name of Allah.

According to newsweek, turkish forcements will take place in this war to stop Kurdish ppl. Bush says" be patient" but its getting hard for them.turkish goverment wish to enter to north Iraq but America prevents. Now Why America doens;t prevent Israils attacks????


It is very hard to make some idea from America. It is very hard to think clear. It doesnt matter how many news channels you watch.
As I said.


STOP AHMED MAMMUDIMEJED


Just begining of the Movie..

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Originally posted by Miss Bliss Good thing I realized there was no point in posting anymore before it got ugly, but let me just say that Vlad, it's not necessary to google and wikipedia every fact about persecution of Jews; in your mind, you will always believe what you say to yourself in language masked with bravado and brazenness- "bomb all Islamic countries" and all that. I don't blame you - or rather, I blame you but I understand you - it has to do primarily with where you live right now and how you perceive yourself and your "people." It is your personality, nurtured and cradled by the people around you. Maybe you will mature and see that although you belong to one group of people, that does not preclude your understanding what another is going through. Until then, you are part of the problem. Farewell, compromise... To that end, I say that everyone who has a one-sided perspective on this, everyone who defends one side because they have gotten into one mindset and can't get out of it is part of the problem. Nobody wants to swallow their pride first; nobody wants to concede. So we kill, we as a people, who are all the same inside and yet fear our similarities and mask them with the paint of race, color, nationality, and religion...

I wasnt exactly picking sides in that post, just stating historical facts that the land considered to be "Palestine" belonged to the Jews long before they took it over (when the Jews were forced out). And considering all the hooplah surrounding the Gaza Strip, for a Jew to say - I dont care, let them have it - is definitely swallowing pride.

I have my beliefs, and I think that Israel is doing the right thing and taking offense first instead of letting Hezzbollah make the first strike (because you know they would have had Israel not jumped on them first). I feel bad for the people that arent in anyway apart of the conflict that are stuck there, but thats life. You cant compromise the welfare of a country, for the welfare of a several few - just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

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Originally posted by Vlad I have my beliefs, and I think that Israel is doing the right thing and taking offense first instead of letting Hezzbollah make the first strike (because you know they would have had Israel not jumped on them first). I feel bad for the people that arent in anyway apart of the conflict that are stuck there, but thats life. You cant compromise the welfare of a country, for the welfare of a several few - just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Since Iraq War alot of Turkish troops were killed by PKK(Terorists) In this case we could have entered the North Iraq to stop them but Thanks America always has prevented this forcement

Now two Israil soldiers are killed or kidnapped and this is a reason for Israil attack.

Excuse me


Are You Kidding?

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Originally posted by djy2g33 On the "blowing themselves up is the only thing they can do" Somehow throughout the history of time, people have not dealt with things (before they had nuclear weapons) by blowing themselves up (You had kamikaze bombers in the in Japan, but thats a really different situation).... this is pretty much unique to certain regions / religions (I don't even have to say which one)... so what else are they to do? How about civil disobedience? How about diplomatic means? How about developing what you do have so that you can show something for it instead of "blowing yourself up being the only thing they have left to do" as you put it... Blowing yourself up as you put it, is as cowardly a thing as could be and shows a basic disregard/lack of contempt for life... which makes one's case SO plausible for having a place to situate life... and if we're to switch to the reason for this post, um why are we even in this post? Oh yeah, because you go and kidnap other people's soldiers, and its expected that nothing will happen? I've never heard of, throughout any other persecution of any people, anyone doing it in this way... I mean they basically stand out as extreme, neanderthal like, and they make their own case very unplausible, even for Arab nations as I'm sure you've started to notice...

Bruce Willis Blew himself up at the end of armageddon to save his people. Wasn't that Heroic?

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Originally posted by Aspy Since Iraq War alot of Turkish troops were killed by PKK(Terorists) In this case we could have entered the North Iraq to stop them but Thanks America always has prevented this forcement Now two Israil soldiers are killed or kidnapped and this is a reason for Israil attack. Excuse me Are You Kidding?

Where in my post was I referencing America's tactics in the war? As far as Im concerned the US approach to this war is a complete joke. If youre not gonna commit to war, than dont bother, but instead they decided to pussyfoot around Iraq and get troops killed.

As far as not letting the Turks in there, well I think thats all American pride, they want Iraq all to themselves - fuckin idiots that they are. Remember what happened to Germany after WWII? Well I dont think the US wants that happening with Iraq because of all the oil.

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Originally posted by Stassi Bruce Willis Blew himself up at the end of armageddon to save his people. Wasn't that Heroic?

No, it was terrorism!

Actually I've never seen the movie .

Even having been born and raised Muslim myself there's still a lot I don't understand about the extremists and various subdivisions of Muslims. A lot of the time I find myself asking Muslims from the Middle East questions about certain practices with regards to extremists and terrorists most of their responses are along the lines of, "What terrorists etc are doing does not fall in line with true Muslim beliefs but has more to do with themselves as individuals."

Speaking of which, Israel's been doing its fair share of bombing and from what I understand, Judaism is supposed to be about the sanctity and preservation of life. I'm sure that 'war mongering Israeli' is not synonymous to 'Jewish person' in the same way that 'terrorist' is not synonymous to 'Muslim preson' but I'd definately be interested in some of the different views of Jews in and outside of Israel.

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Originally posted by Stassi Bruce Willis Blew himself up at the end of armageddon to save his people. Wasn't that Heroic?

no, it was cheesy

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Originally posted by Blake Speaking of which, Israel's been doing its fair share of bombing and from what I understand, Judaism is supposed to be about the sanctity and preservation of life.

Would you consider self-defense from foreign enemies who want to exterminate your race as preservation of life?

well at least condeleezza rice is going over there now. this will undoubtidly take care of everything!

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Originally posted by peace n trance well at least condeleezza rice is going over there now. this will undoubtidly take care of everything!

fantastic idea, there is nothing like a warmongering psycho like condi to fix everything

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Originally posted by chi6me8ra fantastic idea, there is nothing like a warmongering psycho like condi to fix everything

Hey, hey! She's not warmongering... she's just misunderstood

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Originally posted by Vlad Would you consider self-defense from foreign enemies who want to exterminate your race as preservation of life?

I'd hardly call dropping bombs on a country over a handfull of POW's preservation of life.

The topic though, reminds me of a documentary filmed in the past year or two, of an Israeli woman about our age, who could no longer attend college because it had closed down due to the war, violence, bombings et cetera.

Every few weeks her and a bunch of other Israeli college/grad school aged men and women organized a get together/dinner at her house in which young Palestinian men and women attended, as well as whomever else wanted to. They all chilled together despite the conflict going on around them and despite the fact that they were from opposing sides. They came together, regardless, on the common grounds that they all wanted the war to be over so they could go back to school and get on with their lives.

^^^ what a cwaaazy notion

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Originally posted by Blake Hey, hey! She's not warmongering... she's just misunderstood

i used to kind of like her, but now i don't trust her and i get the distinct feeling she's a warmongerer.

plus it's my personal opinion and an opinion which many might agree with...that's it

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Originally posted by chi6me8ra i used to kind of like her, but now i don't trust her and i get the distinct feeling she's a warmongerer. plus it's my personal opinion and an opinion which many might agree with...that's it

LOL! Maybe I should have used the sarcasm smiley. How's this?


Rice for president 2008!

i was just in israel not even a month ago, and something really has to be said for their spirit and outlook on life... EVERYWHERE you go, i'm talking every mall and restaurant, there are security guards at the door waiting to search your things and rub a metal detector over you, and it simply is because that is the way things HAVE to be...
this is just one instance of the intense amounts of security and compromises the israelis have to accept in order to have a chance of living through the end of the day. the positive spirit in which i speak is simply the fact that this all is accepted as a part of the norm, and doesn't stop anyone from doing anything really... before i got to tel aviv i half exptected the mood to be quite tense and worrysome, but upon arriving i saw this was nowhere near the case. tel aviv is probablly the chillest major city i have ever been in, with some of the most interesting looking people. the same goes for jerusalem... where you hear even more about buses blowing up left and right. the israelis just want to live their lives like anyone else, and they have been getting walked all over for far too long. its not such a bad thing they flex their muscle a bit, and i pray as many of the Lebanese as possible find appropriate shelter.

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Originally posted by Vlad Where in my post was I referencing America's tactics in the war? As far as Im concerned the US approach to this war is a complete joke. If youre not gonna commit to war, than dont bother, but instead they decided to pussyfoot around Iraq and get troops killed. The big guy in this war is America thats what i am saying. As far as not letting the Turks in there, well I think thats all American pride, they want Iraq all to themselves - fuckin idiots that they are. Remember what happened to Germany after WWII? Well I dont think the US wants that happening with Iraq because of all the oil.

Looking for oil?

First Turks want to destroy all Kurdish terorists which come from North Iraq.
Second America deals with Kurdish terorists who help them in Iraq.
As a result America doesnt want to see any Turk soldires in North Iraq.

Turkey doesn't need oil. they have the most important oil sources that you can't imagine.

If i were you i wouldnt make any comments in this issue.

First read news then TALK.

I dont understand some people that say technically palestinians were oppertunistic to take the land back in the days when jews were deported.. Dont be Effen stupid how about american indians coming back today and claiming their right to their land and lets point out that it hasent been thousands of years since they were decimated. How would americans deal with it they would fight it like the palestinians are right now. Would we call them terrorists as well, no why cuz they re american they re better then everyone else... Whats the deal with people using the word terrorism a lot, what israel is doing isnt terrorism or is only the word being used when it suits certain countries and certain gouvernemnts. In this way it gives them the ultiamte right to do whatver they want to do cuz they re fighting terrorism. AMERICA and its foreign policy is so messed up they have no idea what they have engaged tehmsevles in. And i feel bad for the american people cuz ultimatly people regular people will suffer.


So I ask everyone here would u let the american indians take back their lands by wars or would u fight for them. And if ur answer is that you will fight them then i guess that makes u a terrorist.

Instead of fighting indians, we give them casinos and everyone is happy. perhaps the solution here is to just give palestinians casinos

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Originally posted by Blake Rice for president 2008!

thats not funny! If such a thing happens, Me and Pearl Jam are packing up and leaving the country!

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Originally posted by Scolomon Instead of fighting indians, we give them casinos and everyone is happy. perhaps the solution here is to just give palestinians casinos

No, I told you, the solution is to move Israel to North Dakota!

Anyway, we are all like the UN and the rest of the world.. talktalktalk.. my friends went to a Security Council meeting last week and said it was mighty depressing...

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Originally posted by Scolomon Instead of fighting indians, we give them casinos and everyone is happy. perhaps the solution here is to just give palestinians casinos

Yeeeeeees! The answer was right in front of us the whole time.

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Originally posted by Stassi thats not funny! If such a thing happens, Me and Pearl Jam are packing up and leaving the country!

Funny you should say that. I knew a few people who left to the UK and Australia when Bush was re-elected.

"Condie vs Clinton 2008!" LOL! I don't even know what I'd do.

A co-worker today posed that Israeli aggression doesn't look so unjustified when compared to some of the things the US has done in the past in response to attacks on its soil. I don't know if rationalization is the way to go here but it does put things in perspective a bit.

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