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Wise words Clovis86

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Originally posted by KrissO Wise words Clovis86

Well...its just my opinion. I would kill to be on a tour schedule like that. I'm pretty sure I could take the lack of sleep and stress to be able to play music for all those people

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Originally posted by iammesol Ok... why don't you take a look at Axwell's schedule right now. * 24/08 Cream@Amnesia,Ibiza,Spain Two days to listen to promos & purchase new tunes * 26/08 MinistryOfSound,London, UK * 26/08 Subliminal@Creamfields, UK Three days to listen to promos & purchase new tunes * 31/08 1234 Club, Montreal, Canada * 01/09 Soundbar, Chicago, US * 02/09 Supperclub, San Fransisco, US * 03/09 Nikki Beach, Miami, US Eleven days to listen to promos & purchase new tunes * 14/09 Cream@Amnesia,Ibiza,Spain Two days to listen to promos & purchase new tunes * 16/09 Cadeski Manaje, St Petersburg, Russia Seven days to listen to promos & purchase new tunes * 23/09 Positiva@The Cross, London, UK Six days to listen to promos & purchase new tunes * 29/09 Villa, Toulon, France * 30/09 Amazonia, Malta How bout next time you have to travel that much, with the only time to sleep being your time on planes... search for all the obscure songs and perfect them into your sets. I swear sometimes some of the people on this forum just like to hear themselves talk.

Please see my edit. At one point he has just under two weeks to find new music.

Great points guys, especially Jake

I definately have a few responses though.

Clovis: I'm sure he has a passion for music... He wouldn't be producing incredible hit songs every 4 months if he didn't. I know of a DJ friend however who never goes to beatport, and instead just goes to his DJ buddies for new tracks. Granted his friends are Booka Shade, the Mafia, and a couple of other very highly revered artists.. he still doesn't whore beatport every day and gets the job done. Even more on that point... is the fact that 1) not every place in the world has wi:fi 2) if hes getting promos... he has to be in sweden... and 3) If I did Creamfields in the afternoon... drove to MoS and played at night.. then flew to another gig across europe in three days.. the LAST thing i'd want to do is look up some more songs.


Bas: You're right. One listen and I pretty much know if I'll spin it or not... but still, as a DJ you have to know that you can't put it in your first 3 sets and the transitions sound mint.

Just to clear a few things up...

I never meant any harm with the term "whoring" in the thread... I previously stated that there was nothing wrong with some of the dj's "whoring" their own productions because sometimes those same tunes are the very hot tracks of the moment and those are the reasons we want to check a set out.

However, sometimes I wonder how/why some of the dj's play the tunes they play. Is it just a business to them trying to play only their labels' productions/remixes just to make more money, or are they firmly convinced that they're playing the hottest music out there?

Anyway... have fun.

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Originally posted by iammesol Great points guys, especially Jake

I don't know if you understood my post, though. I was pointing out that yes, he has time to find "obscure" tracks.

producers create music they like, in their own style, to suit their own tastes

99% of the time, djs play music they like, music that suits their style and taste

see a pattern?

It's simple to me; if all you can play in a 1 hour set is your own productions, you either have let your ego get to you or you have no f*cking clue about what other kinds of tracks are being produced.

Simple as that and I'm not apologizing to any Ferry fans.

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Originally posted by iammesol Bas: You're right. One listen and I pretty much know if I'll spin it or not... but still, as a DJ you have to know that you can't put it in your first 3 sets and the transitions sound mint.

That's why you gotta make sure the gig isn't being recorded

the argument that dj's don't have time to search for music or whatever is a weak defense. all serious dj's have busy schedule's...and yet not all of them whore themselves 24/7...it's just about the effort you put into it.

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Originally posted by idoru I don't know if you understood my post, though. I was pointing out that yes, he has time to find "obscure" tracks.

I'm not retarded... Perhaps you should read mine again


I'm in no way defending these guys from critique, but people should really take a step back and actually observe the time that goes into this business and quit whining.

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Originally posted by iammesol I'm not retarded... Perhaps you should read mine again I'm in no way defending these guys from critique, but people should really take a step back and actually observe the time that goes into this business and quit whining.

I'm not whining. They still get gigs, they still rock crowds. Its just a different way of doing it. I'm not into those kinds of DJs.

Corstens forever playing his own tunes

Most the time the crowd love it tho

Punk
Fire
L.E.F

canny think what else

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Originally posted by PutBoy No musician that actually creates their own music makes a tonne of money.

like The Beatles for example?

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Originally posted by PutBoy Beside, the only reason (yeah, the only reason) they make money in the first place is because they promote their own work by 'whoring'. So, yeah, they would either starve or get a day job if they didn't 'whore'.

that's partly true, musicians sell their music thanks to their music being promoted in whatever ways.




what i'm saying is - we're not talking about 'musicians' in the usual sense, so what's your point?

JP

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Originally posted by Psy-T like The Beatles for example? that's partly true, musicians sell their music thanks to their music being promoted in whatever ways. what i'm saying is - we're not talking about 'musicians' in the usual sense, so what's your point?

Yes, like the beat..... No, I was mostly just bashing. I know it ain't true.

But, DJ's are musicians in the usual sense. My point is that it's a job, like any other job, and part of that job is promoting. There is no artist, EVER, that does not promote their music. That's what concerts are for.

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Originally posted by PutBoy But, DJ's are musicians in the usual sense.

DJs are musicians in the same way as someone who cuts out different parts of paintings and pastes them all onto a blank canvas is a painter.

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Originally posted by Ishkur DJs are musicians in the same way as someone who cuts out different parts of paintings and pastes them all onto a blank canvas is a painter.

Well, ok... I can give you that. However, we're talking about DJs who are also producers. They are musicians.

When you DJ you're being a DJ. When you Produce you're being a Producer. When you write music, you're being a musician.

Don't confuse what they are or what they do.

So guitar players aren't musicians until they write the music by themselves?

Jimi Hendrix was a musician but the guitarist in Slip Knot isn't?

(hopefully my example suffices, I haven't got a clue as to who writes the music in Slip Knot)

Musicians are involved in music (with the exception being critics and iPod-retailers). It's as simple as that.

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Originally posted by Ishkur DJs are musicians in the same way as someone who cuts out different parts of paintings and pastes them all onto a blank canvas is a painter.

define your defintion of a musician.

I just did. One who writes and/or composes music.

Producers generally don't actually do this. What they are good at is audio engineering and effects processing to make music sound good or better. That is the main role of the Producer.

There are three main creative forces that go into all music creation: the Performer, the Composer, and the Producer. I'll write more on who they are and what they do later. I have to run.

But the role of the composer and producer in electronic music has become blurred, at least semantically. In most genres of music the producer takes the band's performance and uses the studio to make it sound good, via the mixing desk and so forth. However, there are plenty of producers who take a band's idea of what the track sounds like and have significant creative input to make it sound "better".

An example would be Blondie's "Heart of Glass" which was originally quite a punky record with drums all over the place. The producer basically said "That's worth shit on the radio" and made them build the percussion up as a 4/4 kick and so forth until it sounded like a disco record. Result: a handful of platinum discs. Fuck all like how the demos sounded though. Producers can have more creative input than you imagine, even in the pop world.

Because electronic musicians write the music, put it together using synths and the sequencer and essentially "perform" it too, they fulfill all the roles on their own. Which is essentially what dance music's been about since the early house days: DIY records with as few middlemen as possible. But everyone calls them producers, because a fair amount of dance music involves sampling or remixing over original composition so most of their work is in making it happen with the equipment rather than doing something you can put down in sheet music.

EDIT: And concerning the actual issue, do you have to compose your own music to become a musician? Arguably if you're creating a new musical piece you're a musician. After all, music is art. Is DJ Shadow not a musician for creating a record almost entirely out of samples in Endtroducing? You can't deny that it's a piece of art. Whether or not he did it in the studio or on the decks (I suspect the former, unless the man is an octopus) it raises the question of just when does a DJ set become a piece of art when the DJ is reinterpreting the music of others to create something that is new: a new piece of art concieved and executed by them. And if the DJ has created a piece of musical art, is the DJ a musician or not?

So you do not a agree to the turntable as an instrument. Fine.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J But the role of the composer and producer in electronic music has become blurred

You hit the nail on the head with that one. I was just about to say EDM is one of the few and rare cases in music where the producer is the composer.

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