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oh yaaaa... got tickets for their next home game vs nets

gonna get to booo vince all night long!!

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Originally posted by Jeff Button Do you actually like Detroit, or just not like the Raptors? lol

I like Detroit but also love how the Raps are playing. Behind em 100%. I honestly just don't think they are as good as the Pistons. The Pistons are talented, deep and battle tested. Which team in the East has more weapons and guys who can hit clutch shots?

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Exactly.

The Pistons are a better team, there's no denying that. The Raptors fought hard though, and kept it pretty close. I guess the biggest test now is how they bounce back from this loss. I really don't want this 5-game win streak to be their only one this season.

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Originally posted by SuperJimbo The Pistons are talented, deep

Toronto's Bench > Detroit's Bench

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Originally posted by Jeff Button Toronto's Bench > Detroit's Bench

Detroit's rebounding > Toronto's rebounding

Unless Toronto can get at least another 10+ rebounder/game, Toronto won't go far in the playoffs. (And I'd be willing to trade MoPete for that)

The amount that Raps keep giving up offensive rebounds is disgraceful. And Bosh can't hit the glass all by himself.

Only if Toronto drafted Iguodala instead of Araujo! (But that's another story)

The better team won. They did a good job on CB4, and just wouldn't let him get going.
Was anyone else in the gallery during "Put your hands up for Detroit" on saturday night after the raptors' loss? I was about to throw something at the DJ

I think some of you guys are going a little too far. I don't see how the Raps are a better team than Detroit, Chicago and Miami (when Shaq is in full form). I will be overjoyed if they win 1 round in the playoffs but im not too sure that they have the talent and experience to go any further.

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Originally posted by mikester69 I think some of you guys are going a little too far. I don't see how the Raps are a better team than Detroit, Chicago and Miami (when Shaq is in full form). I will be overjoyed if they win 1 round in the playoffs but im not too sure that they have the talent and experience to go any further.

Toronto is still too young and inexperienced to beat a team like Detroit or even Miami in a playoff series. Plus both DET and MIA have much better coaching IMO. If some of you would take the time to watch DET or MIA play against another top ranked team, you'd see what I mean.

fuck, when i said best team in the east RIGHT NOW - i meant just that.... RIGHT NOW. this is not to say they have the players (or overall team) to keep this type of play up throughout the rest of the season (or into the playoffs).

since were on raptors playoff talk
lets say the raps win the titanic division, most likely in 4th place in the conference, theyll play a 5th place team
the raps are great at home, but they are young

i think, if they finished 4th, they will win round 1 in 6 or 7, then lose round 2 in 5 games

but ANY playoff experience for these guys is fantastic
that experience at this stage of this franchise team will get them hungry for playoffs the next year, and hopefully a key veteran will want to come to the T. this off season to help teach these youngens how to develop even more

(maybe oakley will come out of retirement)

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Originally posted by Jeff Button fuck, when i said best team in the east RIGHT NOW - i meant just that.... RIGHT NOW. this is not to say they have the players (or overall team) to keep this type of play up.

They just lost to the best team in the east

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Originally posted by MarkT I am *hyped* for this season! I boldly predict a 6th place finish in the conference...that's right...6th. I'll even take any even-money bet that they at least make the playoffs. While I don't thin Bargnani will start, imagine how a big lineup of Bosh-Nesterovic-Bargnani is going to be a nightmare matchup for virtually every team in the league. Sick! For the first time in Raptor history, there is DEPTH on this roster...we also have a pass-first, quick PG...and some serious athletes on the team. Defense is still a bit suspect with no premier shot blockers or crazy defenders, but their athleticism and quickness should compensate enough. My pick for the player who will most surprise and impress everyone...Fred Jones.

4 months later, time to revisit the predictions

I remain even more confident of the playoff berth...although where they finish is still up in the air.

Fred Jones...disappointing...he's in a nasty slump...but he's too talented to stay there much longer, IMHO.

Depth is indeed the reason the team is where they are right now...Calderon is doing an incredible job along with Ford at the PG position and Bosh is really taking a leadership role on the team.


I think it's very premature to start making comparisons to established contenders in the east like Detroit and Miami. Those are teams stacked with players with championship experience and who have largely been playing together for a hell of a lot longer than the Raps. Keep in mind the Raptor lineup has been virtually revamped from top to bottom and they are *already* playing rather well together.

Detroit's starting lineup, especially since Webber joined them, is tight...but Toronto's bench is deeper and better overall, IMHO. Miami is scary as long as they are all healthy. Take out Wade or Shaq and they fall apart (no disrespect to Alonzo who filled in quite well while Shaq was out). I don't see the Raps beating either of them in a playoff series...yet.

There's still a lot of ball to play in the regular season...Raps have a chance to win a couple of series, depending upon health and who are their opponents.

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Originally posted by MarkT I remain even more confident of the playoff berth...although where they finish is still up in the air.

Only challenge in the Titanic division will come from the Nets and that team is so iffy, though with Kidd as PG, anything is possible.

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Fred Jones...disappointing...he's in a nasty slump...but he's too talented to stay there much longer, IMHO.

Barring major injury problem, I don't think he's going to get mins. The Raps are so deep in depth that Jones is like the last guy Mitchell would call up.

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Depth is indeed the reason the team is where they are right now...Calderon is doing an incredible job along with Ford at the PG position and Bosh is really taking a leadership role on the team.

Yep

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I think it's very premature to start making comparisons to established contenders in the east like Detroit and Miami. Those are teams stacked with players with championship experience and who have largely been playing together for a hell of a lot longer than the Raps. Keep in mind the Raptor lineup has been virtually revamped from top to bottom and they are *already* playing rather well together.

As the season goes on and the team learns to play even better, the Raps will do even better IMO

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Detroit's starting lineup, especially since Webber joined them, is tight...but Toronto's bench is deeper and better overall, IMHO.

C Webb is... iffy. He's playing well because Detroit is a good team. Though it seems to be a perfect match for Detroit and Webber as Webber seems to have filled in the gap left by Ben Wallace and Nazir Mohammed has not been really been able to fill. But Webber's probably on his last legs and Detroit will be searching for a quality replacement.

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Miami is scary as long as they are all healthy. Take out Wade or Shaq and they fall apart (no disrespect to Alonzo who filled in quite well while Shaq was out). I don't see the Raps beating either of them in a playoff series...yet.

Well, depends on what kind of conditioning both Detroit and Miami is at the end of season. Shaq is injury prone. Take away Shaq and Miami is quite beatable IMO, as long as Wade can be held to only 20pts (a gargantuan task for sure)

Raps can score, and as long as Raps don't get frustrated by Detroit's defence and settle for jump shots and keep trying to go inside, Pistons can be beaten too.

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Originally posted by EvilTree ... C Webb is... iffy. He's playing well because Detroit is a good team. Though it seems to be a perfect match for Detroit and Webber as Webber seems to have filled in the gap left by Ben Wallace and Nazir Mohammed has not been really been able to fill. But Webber's probably on his last legs and Detroit will be searching for a quality replacement. ...

agreed. While Webber is definitely a shadow of his former self, he's a pretty good fit for the Pistons with Ben Wallace gone. He's not nearly the defensive player Ben is, but has meshed pretty well.

He's definitely a short-term solution though, as you said...I think it's the Pistons making a run this year and maybe next.

meh...with the exception of maybe a healthy Miami, whoever comes out of the East is going to get smoked by any of the top 4 in the West anyway...so discussing Detroit at all is pointless anyway

holy shit!!

way to almost blow it Rap's!! Luckily, we managed to hang on to the lead to win the game, and once again the Raptors show that they can play against the top teams in the East.

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH holy shit!! way to almost blow it Rap's!! Luckily, we managed to hang on to the lead to win the game, and once again the Raptors show that they can play against the top teams in the East.

That was almost a big fuckup. They can't just let a team go on a 13-0 run at that point of the game.

well the Bulls domination of the Raps finally comes to an end :P

Raps were sloppy as shit for the last bit and almost blew it...they could *easily* (and probably should have) called a foul on that last play.

meh...they pulled it out, but that was getting ugly at the end.

Jersey tomorrow. Hopefully the Raps ride the high and win another one. With Kidd hurt and the Nets just getting destroyed by the Spurs tonight, the Raps should have a big edge!

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Originally posted by MarkT Jersey tomorrow. Hopefully the Raps ride the high and win another one. With Kidd hurt and the Nets just getting destroyed by the Spurs tonight, the Raps should have a big edge!

Thats what I'm saying, but I also said that we're easily taking this game with 2 minutes left, when Toronto was up 10pts...

Anyone else want to see Calderon play more than he is right now? We almost blew it AGAIN with Ford coming back in the 4th quarter. I think Jose is much better in crunch time because he gets way less turnovers and is much more consistent at when taking jump shots and going for layups.

Also the trade deadline's coming up. I'm thinking Colangelo trades a combination of Jones/Sow/Humphries +a 2nd rounder in exchange for a 1st in the next draft (since we don't have a pick) or a player with a rebounding presence. He has already ruled out dealing Mo Pete. What do you guys think?

^^^ next year's draft is supposed to be quite deep. If Colangelo could snag a 1st rounder, that would be a sweet move...but probably a hard one to make?

I'm loving Calderon...I don't know why they made that switch at the end either. I think it will take more time to figure out who should start or play the most minutes.

I wouldn't mind seeing a Drew Gooden type guy come over in a trade...a rebounder who can shoot and isn't a turnover machine.

Other than that, I hope they doesn't mess with the lineup too much, given the team's progress over just half a season. So I can't see the Raps doing anything significant at the deadline unless they do deal MoPete.

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH Thats what I'm saying, but I also said that we're easily taking this game with 2 minutes left, when Toronto was up 10pts...

seriously, talk about a near meltdown on both ends of the court, lol

Unless another team is VERY desperate and makes an out of this world type trade (like a 1st rounder for MoPete) - this team should not make many (or any) moves.

Colangelo said himself this week that it's "very unlikely" that he will trade Mo Pete.

Hereis the interview:
http://www.fan590.com/mediaplayer/a...ms-20070212.mp3

Mo is too valuable to the team right now. After the All Star Break, Mitchell will probably begin to use an 8 man rotation (as many playoff teams do) with the 5 starters + Bargnani Calderon and Mo.

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Originally posted by mikester69 Also the trade deadline's coming up. I'm thinking Colangelo trades a combination of Jones/Sow/Humphries +a 2nd rounder in exchange for a 1st in the next draft (since we don't have a pick) or a player with a rebounding presence. He has already ruled out dealing Mo Pete. What do you guys think?

that doesn't sound too bad. we definitely need someone under the net to help out bosh with the rebounds. not sure what would be the better move though; getting a first rounder that's good on the boards and developing him into the type of player we need, or bringing someone experienced in and try to make a run for it in the playoffs.

depending on how the raptors play down the stretch, we could be the underdogs of the playoffs this year.

we're definitely finishing 4th (or better) this year.

hhahahh carter, what a dick

lol seriously...its like he wants everybody in this city to hate him

bosh>>>>>>>>>>>carter

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