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Originally posted by dallastar Fukkin cops wonder why the hell the population calls them Pigs! that's because that what they are for christ sake! that's the most disturbing you tube thing I have ever ever ever seen!

oh really??? well, princess, why don't you move to ghetto projects then? there is hardly any police coming by there... you'll then be happily living in complete harmony with your neighbors with no "pigs" to restrain your civil rights.

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Originally posted by Jocker oh really??? well, princess, why don't you move to ghetto projects then? there is hardly any police coming by there... you'll then be happily living in complete harmony with your neighbors with no "pigs" to restrain your civil rights.

It is the imbalance of enforceable order which has lead to the very creation of ghettos neighbourhoods in the first place. Police are just an extension of that.

How was a man in a library refusing to show his ID "asking for it?".

Let's think of this...

If Joe Smith, Mr. blonde-haired, blue-eyed California beach jock had forgotten his ID, not been able to present it, then wanted to leave the library (for whatever reason), would we be hearing about this?

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On It is the imbalance of enforceable order which has lead to the very creation of ghettos neighbourhoods in the first place. Police are just an extension of that. How was a man in a library refusing to show his ID "asking for it?". Let's think of this... If Joe Smith, Mr. blonde-haired, blue-eyed California beach jock had forgotten his ID, not been able to present it, then wanted to leave the library (for whatever reason), would we be hearing about this?

Dude fact is the kid did not comply with the rules. No he should not of been tasserd that many times but he should of left and got his ID (like everyone else) and that would of been that.

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Originally posted by Boomer187 People really ignore the other thousands of police officers that do serve and protect. Its like me seeing some e-tard rolling balls somewhere and thinking everyone on here has poop for brains. the actions of these cops do not generalize to other cops...

Which is exactly why the police shouldn't protect officers who behave above their authority, since their actions reflect badly on all people in their position. It's the same reason I think the rapist/murderers in Iraq should get executed, as permitted by US law. It would set an example that this isn't tolerated, but instead they defend them and look for every possible way to condone their actions, which in the end is a PR disaster for the police.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On It is the imbalance of enforceable order which has lead to the very creation of ghettos neighbourhoods in the first place. Police are just an extension of that.

You sound like an anarchist. Police is an absolute necessity to keep at least some degree of order. Civilization in itself is an imbalanced restrictions of freedoms. This is the reality of life. The only people who were truly equal and free were the cavemen - before one of them figured out to use stones to become a figure of power.

This is called "real life", actually, and you can read utopian books and have utopian dreams all you want, but as soon as you understand that this world is veeery far from being fair, the better off you will be.

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If Joe Smith, Mr. blonde-haired, blue-eyed California beach jock had forgotten his ID, not been able to present it, then wanted to leave the library (for whatever reason), would we be hearing about this?

Absolutely you're right. Unfortunately, "some people are more equal than the others", and if it was Joe Smith, no incident would occur. That proves even more that Mr. Mohamed is quite stupid. He knows that in a current geopolitical situation and tensions, and him belonging to a certain ethnic group, his resistance of legal authority is not a very smart thing to do.

Were cops wrong? Yes, they were... They were completely over the line. Would it have happened if the guy was smart enough to just say "yes, you're right, I don't have the ID, and I will just leave now"? I don't think so.

It is quite difficult to judge this situation without knowing all the facts, but the whole thing could be completely avoided if BOTH (and not just one) sides were prudent about it.

a few points:

-- the kid didn't have his ucla ID on him and was headed out of the building when approached [i mean, why even bother when someone's leaving?] i forget my ID all the time, as do a lot of students. this sort of thing usually gets resolved with a two-second explanation ("i forgot it dude") but apparently the guard was having none of it.

-- ucla guards are a sub-branch of the lapd [it's a public school] and are no ordinary schmoes. [being a public institution, ucla is also supposed to be more flexible than a private school when it comes to people walking around its campus].

-- even a single taser shot is excessive in this non-physical situation, but continuing to taser the dude when he's cuffed and getting dragged around like a rag doll is criminal and disgusting.

-- most cops do a great job for low pay and under awful conditions. knee-jerk critics need to realize this (as they will when they need a cop someday). reflexive cop defenders need to realize there are a lot more scumbag cops out there than they care to acknowledge.

(my campus has had id-related troubles recently too. guards got physical with a student who wouldn't show his id (on a street adjacent to campus) when asked. kid was black. cops say they were following procedure, but it's fishy when you consider that (a) almost no one ever gets asked for id (b) two days later there was a repeat with another black student)

DE OPRESSO LIBER! To liberate the oppressed! How can someone just stand there and watch a helpless person get fucked over like that.

I'd take a bullet for a decent person, that's why I'm joining the military.

- From a friend who cares.

I think you may find yourself hopelessly disillusioned.

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Originally posted by Akridrot Does anyone even care anymore? Look at how awful authority treats us in 2006. This is an extraordinary abuse of power. I can't even express outrage, it's just... too much..

Treats us? Were you in the receiving end in one of these recent episodes of abusive power by police? If so, please share.

Anyway, regarding this incident, it's disgusting. No such measures are necessary. The guy was not a grave threat.

Forcing a person to leave a library when a lot people should be obligated to go to one. Comical.

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Originally posted by sensorium Forcing a person to leave a library when a lot people should be obligated to go to one. Comical.

MY OPINION IS THIS:Why didnt the student just show him his id?,and if he didnt have an id why did he try to leave? the officer had a reosanble(s/p) comand for him to follow.UCLA POLICE were doing there job on this one

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Originally posted by tiesto14 WTF are you talking about? You are taking an isolated incident by rented rogue security guards and making like someone is lurking around every corner...you should seek professional help....you have what is called paranoia.

It isn't paranoia anymore when its on the front page of the new york times.

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Originally posted by clubamerica MY OPINION IS THIS:Why didnt the student just show him his id?

because he didn't have it on him.

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Originally posted by clubamerica and if he didnt have an id why did he try to leave?

because supposedly that's what a student without his id should do when confronted, retard.

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Originally posted by clubamerica the officer had a reosanble(s/p) comand for him to follow.UCLA POLICE were doing there job on this one

yeah, "stand up" is a very reasonable command a few seconds after you've been tased.

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Originally posted by tiesto14 WTF are you talking about? You are taking an isolated incident by rented rogue security guards and making like someone is lurking around every corner...you should seek professional help....you have what is called paranoia.

you're the kind of guy who would call the jews that left germany prior to the holocaust paranoid.

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Originally posted by Psy-T you're the kind of guy who would call the jews that left germany prior to the holocaust paranoid.

and you're the guy who would be called an overgeneralizator of unbelievable proportions. comparing a tasered student with living in nazi regime is like comparing your dick to that of Lebrone James - those are things of completely different scales

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Originally posted by Jocker and you're the guy who would be called an overgeneralizator of unbelievable proportions. comparing a tasered student with living in nazi regime is like comparing your dick to that of Lebrone James - those are things of completely different scales

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Originally posted by Jocker and you're the guy who would be called an overgeneralizator of unbelievable proportions. comparing a tasered student with living in nazi regime is like comparing your dick to that of Lebrone James - those are things of completely different scales

most jews that were living under the progressively oppresive nazi regime referred to the ones leaving as paranoids, among other things.

if you don't see that fact's implications on your argument you're ill equipped to debate me, so don't bother replying to this, but here it is broken down:

1. i'm not comparing being tasered with living in a nazi regime
   
2. i'm comparing the attitude of the local populace
   
3. i'm showing it's very easy to compare the two because that was the general perception then and it's the general perception now in relation to tasering uncompliant members of the populace

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Originally posted by tiesto14 Dude fact is the kid did not comply with the rules. No he should not of been tasserd that many times but he should of left and got his ID (like everyone else) and that would of been that.

haha, you're always defending police brutality.

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Originally posted by Yan Is that before or after most of them get shot?

in mexico, police force are trained badly...either they dont do nothing or they shot...they dont know how to handle riots and such.

i never carry wallet...and all my ids are in there...so could you imagine what would happen if some of these kind of police ask me for it...

Oh boy, so I venture out of the PDD hole with the advice of Groundhog Boy to see this argument posted here in COR prior to my double-post in PDD:

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=382577

I think for the most part most here are working through this pretty good. The kid was clearly being a recalcitrant ass, no question. He wanted a scene and got one.

With all that said, it seems the consensus agrees that the use of force, i.e. multiple tasing while being handcuffed, clearly do not justify the cause of that force. Furthermore, the threat of being tased for asking badge numbers is clearly a serious violation as well.

As I mentioned in PDD, I advocate the use of tasers by the police PROVIDED they are used and not abused. This case seems pretty clear cut of the latter of multiple tases going way too far. I don't know if even the first tase was necessary, but clearly after that there was a line crossed. The use of these weapons are still in their infancy, so hopefully our police force can learn a bit more from this.

that c�nt deserved it... he started all the shitter when he began to scream like a fucking bitch "don't touch me, dont touch me" to a police officer

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Originally posted by Lomeli DE OPRESSO LIBER! To liberate the oppressed! How can someone just stand there and watch a helpless person get fucked over like that. I'd take a bullet for a decent person, that's why I'm joining the military. - From a friend who cares.

Hahaha, that was from a drunk friend last night.

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Originally posted by clubamerica MY OPINION IS THIS:Why didnt the student just show him his id?,and if he didnt have an id why did he try to leave? the officer had a reosanble(s/p) comand for him to follow.UCLA POLICE were doing there job on this one

Because he is probally a typical college kid with a million dollars being payed by their parents education who thinks America is a police state and all we do i push people around.

Sorta like half of the little kiddies on TA who have never lived a life without the aid of good ol mommy and daddy to get them out of every jam.

More and more i watch that vid the more and more the kid seems to of been a smart ass...though they still should of carried him out and not tazed him.

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Originally posted by CleverName It isn't paranoia anymore when its on the front page of the new york times.

pppffff it was an isolated incident.

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Originally posted by Psy-T because he didn't have it on him because supposedly that's what a student without his id should do when confronted, retard.

bullshit, the kid was being a jerkoff. Reminded me of the type of kid who would tell a cop he pays THEIR salary.

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Originally posted by Psy-T yeah, "stand up" is a very reasonable command a few seconds after you've been tased.

Well on COPS they show people getting tazed and then standing up and walking to the police car after about 20-30 seconds.

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