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An individual's ideas of fun are so subjective, its ridiculous to try and define generalized limits.
Inspite of all your grumblings, there are people who like the "." threads. You don't have a right to say that nobody should find them funny.
Seriously, it's like trying to impose your subjective ideas of fun on others. People who make "shit" threads according to you, also make good threads.
People who whine about "shit threads" also contribute in them. People who are whining about Nou's threads, have all posted in them.
But once in a while, people wake up to the fact that others are making shit threads and complain. wtf ?

If you don't like the threads in COR, then refrain from posting in them. Make your own, contribute to the fun in your own way.
Let people with like minded ideas of fun post in your threads and everybody share a good laugh.

Don't whine about the quality of threads in the COR. It's not going to change anything.
People will not rise up, or drop down (whatever) to your levels. Make a change by making your own funny threads.

are you mad at ME jason?

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Originally posted by Psy-T p.s. does anyone else find it "strange" that floorfiller grew away from the community roughly at the same time he became a mod?

not at all, and i've already started to post less in COR since i've become mod. once you have to put up with the continuous bullshit that comes along with modding, you start to realize that the less you say, the less problems you have.

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Originally posted by Omega_M An individual's ideas of fun are so subjective, its ridiculous to try and define generalized limits. Inspite of all your grumblings, there are people who like the "." threads. You don't have a right to say that nobody should find them funny. Seriously, it's like trying to impose your subjective ideas of fun on others. People who make "shit" threads according to you, also make good threads. People who whine about "shit threads" also contribute in them. People who are whining about Nou's threads, have all posted in them. But once in a while, people wake up to the fact that others are making shit threads and complain. wtf ? If you don't like the threads in COR, then refrain from posting in them. Make your own, contribute to the fun in your own way. Let people with like minded ideas of fun post in your threads and everybody share a good laugh. Don't whine about the quality of threads in the COR. It's not going to change anything. People will not rise up, or drop down (whatever) to your levels. Make a change by making your own funny threads.

A lot of what you post is true and correct.

But why can't I speak out? Why can't Jason or Nik or Arbiter express their opinions? If no one wants to change, they won't change. Isn't it okay to say, "hey, you guys are posting too much garbage" and maybe they'll agree and decide to tone it down a bit?

Maybe they won't. That's their right. But maybe something good will come out of the criticism.

No?

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Originally posted by l�cid not at all, and i've already started to post less in COR since i've become mod. once you have to put up with the continuous bullshit that comes along with modding, you start to realize that the less you say, the less problems you have.

bingo...

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Originally posted by Echo of Silence But why can't I speak out? Why can't Jason or Nik or Arbiter express their opinions? If no one wants to change, they won't change. Isn't it okay to say, "hey, you guys are posting too much garbage" and maybe they'll agree and decide to tone it down a bit?

it's true and it always will be, because it's easier to HATE/RIDICULE in groups. So the minute you speak out against the general concensus, the faster you are seen as an outsider to 'their' group. These groups seem to take precendence over individualism. It's like the highschool cafeteria thread, that's a perfect distinction for the c0r. Group domination of a common area where it's easier to say something if you're buddies back you up and it's harder to say something if no one agrees with you.

I quite enjoy it when no one agrees with me, but i sense this reality is coming quickly to a close, only for the fact that more people are realizing how this group mentality (or clicks should I say) is being frowned upon.

It is true, this place is a typical highschool cafeteria, very much so are the topics posted in here ever relevant to anything but like-minded opinions.

your MOMMA...

















































ate my ice cream

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Originally posted by Echo of Silence A lot of what you post is true and correct. But why can't I speak out? Why can't Jason or Nik or Arbiter express their opinions? If no one wants to change, they won't change. Isn't it okay to say, "hey, you guys are posting too much garbage" and maybe they'll agree and decide to tone it down a bit? Maybe they won't. That's their right. But maybe something good will come out of the criticism. No?

1) If the way of criticizing others is ridicule and insult, then no. Perhaps you are pretty straight up talking rationally, but people don't speak up like that. If you are going to express your disappointment by calling others losers and what not, and trying to make it look like you are kinda above it all, and what fools these COR Whores are, then definitely not. There's no way, people are gona listen to you. People who are complaining now, have all contributed to the shit at some point of time. So, really most of them are keeping double standards.

2)If you are within the limits defined by the Mods, then there is nobody to control what you post. If people don't listen to their parents in real life, you can hardly expect them to listen to someone sitting across the screen, who has absolutely no power to stop them. It is only if Swamper decides that this shit is utter nonsense, he can take actions by modifying the settings of the forum board, and by giving the mods more authority to suspend and ban people for posting the slightest bullshit. I think they do it on Trance.nu

so, if you create pointless threads outside the cor, those that still makes you a loser?

You know what the problem is? We need MORE exclusivity around here. MORE flaming of n00bs. MORE jerkiness and harrassment from the cliques.

See, we've constantly got new members signing up, and assimilating themselves into the c0re as if they put in their time like everyone else...when in reality, they didn't.

N00bs haven't been paying their dues, and that's why they're getting away with all this shit.

N00bs need to be scared to post, like the old days. They need to earn their rights to hang out with us. Shit, if we're gonna compare the c0re to a high school cafeteria, we might as well go balls out with this thing, and be proper dicks about it.


It's our fault, we've gone soft. We need to bring asshole back.

I honestly don't think any one is a fool or loser. I don't think Jason does either.

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Originally posted by Echo of Silence I honestly don't think any one is a fool or loser. I don't think Jason does either.

trust me. there are people who do.

i dont think any of this makes you a loser, i already game my point about this, i was asking to the people that thinks being stupid on a forum makes you a loser. if you dont believe that then the question wasnt for you..

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Originally posted by jennypie It's our fault, we've gone soft. We need to bring asshole back.

*picks up a bat and wears a helmet*

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Originally posted by Echo of Silence I'm just really surprised at you and Peter Pipers for jumping down Jason's throat because neither of you are part of the problem.

i attacked the validity of his 'argument' (and his motive as a part of it) and his modus operandi, it's not personal, and it's completely irrelevant of whether i am a part of the problem or not.

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Originally posted by Echo of Silence Don't you think it's all gotten out of hand?

no, i dont. however i don't 'condone' the overuse of memes, especially when they're not original.

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Originally posted by Echo of Silence Do you really enjoy all of the posts and threads that are meaningless? I can't believe that either of you do.

no, but that's irrelevent to whether i think it's gone out of hand.

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Originally posted by Echo of Silence I've heard a few of you say all of this garbage is the result of growing membership.

it occurs often enough over various internet communities to be generalized.

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Originally posted by Echo of Silence It seems to me as though we had more people posting in the COR back in the days. So I don't think that's the problem.

factually incorrect, you can compare how many threads and/or posts there were each year yourself to see that.

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Originally posted by jennypie You know what the problem is? We need MORE exclusivity around here. MORE flaming of n00bs. MORE jerkiness and harrassment from the cliques. See, we've constantly got new members signing up, and assimilating themselves into the c0re as if they put in their time like everyone else...when in reality, they didn't. N00bs haven't been paying their dues, and that's why they're getting away with all this shit. N00bs need to be scared to post, like the old days. They need to earn their rights to hang out with us. Shit, if we're gonna compare the c0re to a high school cafeteria, we might as well go balls out with this thing, and be proper dicks about it. It's our fault, we've gone soft. We need to bring asshole back.

the internet at large has grown too mature for that. 'everyone's' too desensitized by now.

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Originally posted by Echo of Silence A lot of what you post is true and correct. But why can't I speak out? Why can't Jason or Nik or Arbiter express their opinions? If no one wants to change, they won't change. Isn't it okay to say, "hey, you guys are posting too much garbage" and maybe they'll agree and decide to tone it down a bit?

it's just as ok as it is to express a counter opinion.

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Originally posted by Omega_M *picks up a bat and wears a helmet*

brass knuckles kids....ALL WRONGS RIGHTED!

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Originally posted by Echo of Silence I honestly don't think any one is a fool or loser. I don't think Jason does either.

Jason's first post itself is likely to invite more scorn than active discussion.

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Originally posted by Floorfiller what the hell is wrong with some of you people? you guys are really pretty shit the last couple months...why don't you guys actually post something funny for a change instead of creating a bunch of bullshit that is pointless.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN losers.

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Originally posted by Echo of Silence Don't you think it's all gotten out of hand? Do you really enjoy all of the posts and threads that are meaningless? I can't believe that either of you do.

Yes, I do. My only point is that I think Jason has become part of the problem as opposed to part of the solution. Threads like these pop up every so often with someone claiming c0r has gotten "out of hand" or has reached an all time high level of "shittiness," but never actually discuss the specific things that are bothering them.

Allow me to elucidate (pun intended ) on an actual situation that has occurred in c0r regarding the quality of posts/moderator action that has drawn my personal ire, though I understand comletely why it's happened, and realize that it's my problem, and not that of c0r as a whole.

I used to come here for two reasons: 1. To break up the monotony of the week with some humor. 2. To have a good laugh and be able to enjoy some time (albeit internet time) with Myra, as we don't get to see each other 5 days a week.

We used to be able to waste entire days flirting on here, irritating all of you to the point of tears with our incessant internet canoodling. Furthermore, we used to be able to have a good laugh about TA, and things in c0r. Then, she became a moderator, and a lot changed.

Gone were the majority of fleeting and foolish but funny posts we used to make with each other, and in comes Myra as a moderator. It was clear almost immediately that her persona on the forums had changed, and honestly, who wouldn't have expected it? We have come to expect a certain level of action/personality from our moderators that requires them to become somewhat removed from the main lifeforce of c0r, so it was certain that Myra would also have to move to "that level" in order to moderate effectively

Here's the problem; the lot of you (And believe me when I say on occasion that I am without doubt a part of "the lot of you") end up pissing her off so frequently it seems very apparent that c0r is rarely any fun for her anymore. The amount of bullshit she has to moderate is staggering, and the fact of the matter is that for the most part, she does it on her own. When things slide to the level they have on here, how can a single moderator be expected to keep a handle on it all? It's absolutely absurd, but she deals with it well - And you all are very lucky for it. She's the best thing that's happened to this forum in a long time, but she can't do it all on her own.

So here's the conflict - subjectively, the dynamic of c0r has changed for me, and some of what I really, really valued in it is now gone. Is it my fault? No. Is it Myra's fault? No. Is it c0r's fault? A resounding no. At the end of the day, though, I'm the only one who can do anything about it for myself.

Things change, this forum has gotten bigger, and just because a lot of newer members (And some OLD members) sense of humor doesn't jive with me isn't going to change the way things work around here. I've made suggestions, but realize they most often times fall on deaf ears, and at the end of the day this isn't my website. It's up to the moderators of this forum and the owner of TA to do something if they want to illicit real change, otherwise, with a forum this large I'm afraid that we're all going to have to deal with the kind of rubbish that apparently a lot of us are sick of.

So if I'm the one who's sick of the way things have gone, then I'm the one who needs to step away. And perhaps I will - But in the end, it's my decision to do something, and not my expectation that c0r will get better solely by complaints backed up by a completely lack of objectivity or evidence.

In the end, I like Jason, always have and always will. But as a moderator (which he still is, even if he wants to be gone), if he has a problem with the way things are going here, he needs to spearhead real change - And it's been proven time and time again that threads like these get no where. I hope any and all of this made sense.

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Originally posted by Omega_M If people don't listen to their parents in real life, you can hardly expect them to listen to someone sitting across the screen, who has absolutely no power to stop them.

text and subtext has a lot more power than you think.

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Originally posted by Psy-T text and subtext has a lot more power than you think.

Doesn't look like it's working in the COR then.

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Originally posted by kid nyce

your perception of the social mechanics on this forum at large are oversimplified, overgeneralized, and don't even scratch the surface.

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Originally posted by Omega_M Doesn't look like it's working in the COR then.

oh? just for a very recent example - where's the flood of the cat pics meme then?

even more recent - what happened to the shortlived 'FAO...' meme, if you can even call it that?


there was no mod intervention in either case afaik, and yet they both died out after a short textual backlash.

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Originally posted by Psy-T even more recent - what happened to the shortlived 'FAO...' meme, if you can even call it that?

No ? Did you know how many more were created (and deleted) before they eventually died down?

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