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Originally posted by Arbiter I'm pretty sure you're getting it right.

Therefore the whole "story" is actually PRO-abortion... right?

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Originally posted by Theresa Therefore the whole "story" is actually PRO-abortion... right?

prolikebortion?

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Originally posted by Theresa Therefore the whole "story" is actually PRO-abortion... right?

It appears so to me but it really looks like it's missing a concluding paragraph or something so perhaps it's just an excerpt.

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Originally posted by Arbiter It appears so to me but it really looks like it's missing a concluding paragraph or something so perhaps it's just an excerpt.

It does look like it's missing something, but from what is there, I think it is safe to assume that it is advocating the right to abortion.

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Originally posted by Omega_Blue thomson's argument against abortion.. "I propose, then, that we grant that the fetus is a person from the moment of conception. . . . But now let me ask you to imagine this. You wake up in the morning and find yourself back to back in bed with an unconscious violinist. A famous unconscious violinist. He has been found to have a fatal kidney ailment, and the Society of Music Lovers has canvassed all the available records and found that you alone have the right blood type to help. They have therefore kidnapped you, and last night the violinist's circulatory system was plugged into yours, so that your kidneys can be used to extract poisons from his blood as well as your own. The director of the hospital now tells you, "Look, we're sorry the Society of Music Lovers did this to you -- we would never have permitted it if we had known. But still, they did it, and the violinist now is plugged into you. To unplug you would be to kill him. But never mind, it's only for nine months. By then he will have recovered from his ailment, and can safely be unplugged from you." Is it morally incumbent on you to accede to this situation? No doubt it would very nice of you if you did, a great kindness. But do you have to accede to it? What if it were not nine months, but nine years? Or longer still? What if the director of the hospital says, "Tough luck, I agree, but you've now got to stay in bed, with the violinist plugged into you, for the rest of your life. Because remember this: all persons have a right to life, and violinists are persons. Granted you have a right to decide what happens in and to your body, but a person's right to life outweighs your right to decide what happens in and to your body. So you cannot ever be unplugged from him." I imagine you would regard this as outrageous. . . "

Hun, I think you interpreted that completely wrong.

With a little research, I found this:

In A Defense of Abortion, Thomson grants for the sake of argument that the fetus has a right to life, but defends the permissibility of abortion by appeal to a thought experiment:

You wake up in the morning and find yourself back to back in bed with an unconscious violinist. A famous unconscious violinist. He has been found to have a fatal kidney ailment, and the Society of Music Lovers has canvassed all the available medical records and found that you alone have the right blood type to help. They have therefore kidnapped you, and last night the violinist's circulatory system was plugged into yours, so that your kidneys can be used to extract poisons from his blood as well as your own. [If he is unplugged from you now, he will die; but in nine months] he will have recovered from his ailment, and can safely be unplugged from you.[4]

Thomson takes it that you may now permissibly unplug yourself from the violinist even though this will cause his death: the right to life, Thomson says, does not entail the right to use another person's body, and so by unplugging the violinist you do not violate his right to life but merely deprive him of something�the use of your body�to which he has no right. "[I]f you do allow him to go on using your kidneys, this is a kindness on your part, and not something he can claim from you as his due."[5]

For the same reason, Thomson says, abortion does not violate the fetus's right to life but merely deprives the fetus of something�the use of the pregnant woman's body�to which it has no right. Thus, it is not that by terminating her pregnancy a woman violates her moral obligations, but rather that a woman who carries the fetus to term is a 'Good Samaritan' who goes beyond her obligations.[6]

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I really like the way this woman illustrates herself.

Glad someone mentioned that the essay was written in support of abortion. I hope that it was posted as an "argument against abortion" out of ignorance rather than dishonesty.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Glad someone mentioned that the essay was written in support of abortion. I hope that it was posted as an "argument against abortion" out of ignorance rather than dishonesty.

I was wondering if I was losing my mind. I couldn't figure out how in the world it was an argument against it.

Do a homemade one! Flush the sprog down the bog and send it's silly slag of mother to the workhouse!

I'm all for abortion providing it's very early on in the pregnancy. No kid should come into this world unwanted.

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Originally posted by Theresa I was wondering if I was losing my mind. I couldn't figure out how in the world it was an argument against it.

Good call! I apparently lost its meaning in the context of the poster's others posts. Hehe, no wonder it seemed like a crappy argument to me.

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Originally posted by medinaM5 abortiowned

LOL





This thread needs more dead baby jokes.

Hey your friend should ask planned parenthood to gift wrap the dead fetus so he can give it to someone as a Christmas present. Tis the season of giving.

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Originally posted by jennypie LOL This thread needs more dead baby jokes.

What is red and pink and hanging out of your dog's mouth?































Your baby's leg.

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Originally posted by occrider Hey your friend should ask planned parenthood to gift wrap the dead fetus so he can give it to someone as a Christmas present. Tis the season of giving.

Yea seriously I could eat it. Mmmmm so tender.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov What is red and pink and hanging out of your dog's mouth? Your baby's leg.

How do you get 100 babies into a salad bowl?

































With a blender. How do you get them out?








































Nachos!

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Originally posted by jennypie This thread needs more dead baby jokes.

What do you call a dead baby with no arms and no legs in the middle of the ocean?
Owned.

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Originally posted by Zild Yea seriously I could eat it. Mmmmm so tender.

What is the difference between a baby and a mars bar?













About 500 calories.

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Originally posted by jennypie How do you get 100 babies into a salad bowl? With a blender.

Why do you put babies into blenders feet first?











So you can see the expression on their faces.

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Originally posted by ivand What do you call a dead baby with no arms and no legs in the middle of the ocean? Owned.

What is blue and yellow and sits at the bottom of the pool?










Baby with slashed floaties.
What is red and yellow and floats at the top of the pool?










Floaties with a slashed baby.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov What is red and brown and hanging out of your dog's mouth? Jonsun's baby's leg.

Fix'd

-How many babies does it take to paint a house?







Depends how hard you throw them.


-What gets louder as it gets smaller?






A baby in a trash compactor.

What's 12 inches long, purple, and makes every woman scream?

















































Crib death.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov What is blue and yellow and sits at the bottom of the pool? Baby with slashed floaties.

You guys are sick... but this made me laugh

I like the word "floaties". Haha! *Cue me envisioning someone swimming up to a baby and knifing their floaties*

LOL!

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Theresa posting, with some valid points

it depends on what period of time you consider babies to have "moral status". according to christians it is when the baby is first concieved, i.e. sperm-fertilize-egg. perhaps it's when the fetus begins to develop human characteristics?

saying that kids thrown "into the system" will end up being dysfunctional (and therefore claiming it is ok to kill them) is a claim, opinion, whatever. not every child will become charles manson because they were put in foster care. based on this assumption, if you agree that fetuses have moral status at the moment of conception (which you don't) then you must agree that any kid of any age thrown into foster care can be killed morally (otherwise they might turn into a PSYCHO KILLER!!1)

i think what thomson is trying to say is it's NOT okay for a woman to knowingly have intercourse, fuck up and become pregnant, and then say "meh, i never wanted this" and kill it. that's irresponsibility a) for taking a risk such as intercourse, knowing full well the possible repercussions and b) for not taking care of their offspring/taking responsibility for their actions.

So no, thomson isn't saying "you must keep the baby no matter what", thomson is saying that if you know of the full consequences of your actions, you cannot abort. The violinist mimics the idea of rape- you never asked to get raped. you never asked to get plugged into a violinist. therefore you have the right to abort.

Now say you did something that gave you the RISK of having a violinist attached to you, and you knew that there might be a POSSIBILITY of having said violinist attached. IF a violinist became attached to you, it would be morally impermissible to detach yourself.

which goes back to my original point: abortion is wrong, except for in cases of self-defense, rape, and incest.

Nobody gives a fuck man we want dead baby jokes OK?

hijack:failed

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Originally posted by Omega_Blue it depends on what period of time you consider babies to have "moral status". according to christians it is when the baby is first concieved, i.e. sperm-fertilize-egg. perhaps it's when the fetus begins to develop human characteristics?

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