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First of all Electro House sucks big time, uninspired simple bleep house.

House like Jaimie Lewis, Copyright and Grant Nelson, that is real house.

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Originally posted by Az I dislike K and G at any point, but doing them in the club is fucking ridiculous. Removes any appreciation for the music whatsoever. "like a monkey with a miniature cymbal, the joy of repetition really is in you" it's the way it's been for over 20 years, and it's the way it should fucking stay

Ket in a club would just ruin the whole night. I don't even touch e's these days as come downs do my nut in. All I have is the odd gram of charlie here and there it's a complete t*at of a drug to take in clubs sometimes.

On the thread subject enjoy the diverse selection of music you have at your hands, it could be a lot worse.

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Originally posted by Ojay But Electro is developing and Electro is by definition what the people think is "Electro" and not what it was historically...

LOL.

That�s exactly what I was talking about a while back in another thread. People seem to think their opinions are more valid than indisputable historical facts. It�s sad, really.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Depeche Mode released most of their albums on sub-labels of Warner Bros. Warner Bros. is not indie.

Ehmmm i don't think that the label has anything to do with that...I guess you can call Depeche Mode "Indie" in a much broader sense, where "indie" is any rock and pop that is not mainstream and is kind of more alternative. In this sense of course a huge amount of genres can be labelled as "indie". To be more precise though, depeche mode were always a new-wave/synth-pop group with a dark-wave/gothy sound at times in albums such as "black celebration" and "violator" (or the later one for that matter). Great band by the way. "Violator" and "Music For The Masses" are beuatifull synth-driven dark melodic gems. Classics by all means.

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originally posted by Siesta First of all Electro House sucks big time, uninspired simple bleep house.

OH GOD YES! Enough with this ELECTRO GARBAGE!ANd FFS this bloody "electro" has nothing to do with the 80s electro. All this "electro", "clicky" whatever trash have these disturbing sounds in them (was ever a tune in the EDM history worst then "put your hands up for detroit"? PURE STUPIDITY...)i wander how can anyone listen to them...It is not just trance...its the whole EDM that goes down and down...year by year the quality fades fast...

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Originally posted by Clovis I fail to see where anyone has launched an assault on threads about older trance. I love them personally.

Perhaps you missed the quote I was responding to:

"Like I said, I'd love to post about trance. But there just isn't much to talk about."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't this sound like "since there's no new 'good' trance coming out there's nothing to talk about?"

It's almost like trance itself is being penalized because the new material may not be exactly up to par.

Well if you're so interested in discussing trance from the past, I've heard the search function is a useful tool to locate a topic which has probably already been discussed ad nauseum in at least 5 threads in here.

If there are less and less topics on new trance releases, then yes, it is being penalized for a lack of quality.

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Originally posted by PETRAN It is not just trance...its the whole EDM that goes down and down...year by year the quality fades fast...

Well some of us are finding good new music. I suggest going a little farther than the beatport top 20 charts.

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Originally posted by Clovis Well some of us are finding good new music. I suggest going a little farther than the beatport top 20 charts.

That's your argument to everyone

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Originally posted by dj_bas That's your argument to everyone

Not my fault people suck at looking for records.


You wanna come over around 12:30?

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Originally posted by Clovis

Ok suggest me five VERY good releases...whatever EDM you like. Go on. They have to be really good. I'll have to remember them as i remember Cosmic Baby's stuff from the early 90s...Chicane's melodic trance...Carl Craigs deep techno...The Timewriter's deep house...

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Originally posted by Clovis Not my fault people suck at looking for records. You wanna come over around 12:30?

Sure. Imma take a shower and do the dishes and shiat...see you at 12:30.

ps
Check out The Snowboard, there's an interesting thread about "old trance"

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Originally posted by PETRAN Ok suggest me five VERY good releases...whatever EDM you like. Go on. They have to be really good. I'll have to remember them as i remember Cosmic Baby's stuff from the early 90s...Chicane's melodic trance...Carl Craigs deep techno...The Timewriter's deep house...

Carl Craig and Timewriter are still making records fyi.

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Originally posted by PETRAN Ehmmm i don't think that the label has anything to do with that...I guess you can call Depeche Mode "Indie" in a much broader sense, where "indie" is any rock and pop that is not mainstream and is kind of more alternative.

Okay, let's drop the label issue. What other criterion do you want to bring in?

The criterion of not being well-known or well-liked? Fucking Depeche Mode? No way.

Not being as popular as some of the other groups of their day? Well, gee, that makes just about every band in history an "indie" band.

How is Depeche Mode "indie?"

And really, how is Depeche Mode even "not mainstream?" I love Depeche Mode, but they're neither non-mainstream nor indie.

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Originally posted by Clovis Carl Craig and Timewriter are still making records fyi.

Yes i know that. Unfortunately they sound nothing like their 90s/early 00s releases like "jigsaw pieces" for timewriter and "Landcruising" fro carl craig...

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles How is Depeche Mode "indie?"

"indie" (from independent) is a vastly ill-defined broad description that categorises all these "genre/labels" etc. etc. etc. that can be very slightly different from the VERY mainstream stuff.It is not a genre. Yes depeche are mainstream now but they weren't in the "black celebration" period. It was only "music for the masses" that started spawning hits like "behind the wheel", but even that had an "alternative" feel to it. See wikipedia for what indie is:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indie_music


I personally don't like the term as well. That's why i said in my original post that you COULD broadly categorise them as indie but then i mentioned that depeche more specifically belong to the new-wave/synth-pop genre. Thats all. You don't have to get mad or anything....grrrrrrr depeche are not indie....take it easy lol.

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Originally posted by PETRAN Yes i know that. Unfortunately they sound nothing like their 90s/early 00s releases like "jigsaw pieces" for timewriter and "Landcruising" fro carl craig...

They sounds nothing like those...but that means they aren't good?

I know "indie" is not a genre. I don't think that "indie" is necessarily a bad term. It's just that it gets used in vague and inconsistent ways and too often seems to be used as a synonym for "whatever stuff I like better than bands who consistently put out chart-toppers."

This kind of confusion is what happens when people start using category terms as insults or praise. At least try for some kind of objectivity in classification...

hey bas, why did you changed your avatar?, the oh my god! one was brilliant!

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Originally posted by Clovis They sounds nothing like those...but that means they aren't good?

From what i know, carl craig didn't have anything new the last years...it was all about remixes of some of his older tracks. Even if it was there was nothing so memorable. As for timewriter, "room of a million rainbows" was ok. The album had some good moments. Nice special IMO.



What i'm trying to say, is ok. you can find okish tunes. But, damn, thats all there is to it. There is NOTHING exciting going on at the moment. EDM suffers a huge backlash. It seems that its huge mainstream exposure has done only bad to this music.

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Originally posted by PETRAN From what i know, carl craig didn't have anything new the last years...it was all about remixes of some of his older tracks. Even if it was there was nothing so memorable. As for timewriter, "room of a million rainbows" was ok. The album had some good moments. Nice special IMO. What i'm trying to say, is ok. you can find okish tunes. But, damn, thats all there is to it. There is NOTHING exciting going on at the moment. EDM suffers a huge backlash. It seems that its huge mainstream exposure has done only bad to this music.

Well, I dont really listen to the more mainstrewam EDM so it doesnt really bother me.

X-Press 2 - Kill 100 (Carl Craig Remix)
Delia Gonzalez & Gavin Russom - Relevee (Carl Craig Remix)

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Originally posted by Clovis Well, I dont really listen to the more mainstrewam EDM so it doesnt really bother me.

Ok, thats what i'm trying to tell. That all EDM is affected. All is declined. The whole of EDM misses ideas. Except that if you think that sequences of electroish sounds coupled with the typical four-to-the-floor is something great.It's not its crap. Its all about being "cool" and "trendy". There is no fucking substance to this music anymore from the bloody "put your hands up for detroit"(and remember that mainstream reflects up to a certain point whats going on in the underground. Mainstream record in '99 was "El Nino". Cheesy?The hell to it, the lead-line was pure power!Now the famous record its "put your hands up for detroit". I'm ashamed that this piece of shit is called music) to the more "underground" Anandas. Ok, its minimal, its electro, its undergound, well the hell to it, its TRASH. Being cool doesn't change its low quality. Who cares about the hype when there is no substance to it? There is no more leftfield,Underworld F.S.O.L and Orbital in EDM. Now the best you gonna get is "Trentemoller", an artist that plays minimal and micro-house that was there from the 90s (chain reaction)and suddenly is considered to be ubber-cool by everyone! EDM is dying. Its the cold truth.

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Originally posted by PETRAN Ok, thats what i'm trying to tell. That all EDM is affected. All is declined. The whole of EDM misses ideas. Except that if you think that sequences of electroish sounds coupled with the typical four-to-the-floor is something great.It's not its crap. Its all about being "cool" and "trendy". There is no fucking substance to this music anymore from the bloody "put your hands up for detroit"(and remember that mainstream reflects up to a certain point whats going on in the underground. Mainstream record in '99 was "El Nino". Cheesy?The hell to it, the lead-line was pure power!Now the famous record its "put your hands up for detroit". I'm ashamed that this piece of shit is called music) to the more "underground" Anandas. Ok, its minimal, its electro, its undergound, well the hell to it, its TRASH. Being cool doesn't change its low quality. Who cares about the hype when there is no substance to it? There is no more leftfield,Underworld F.S.O.L and Orbital in EDM. Now the best you gonna get is "Trentemoller", an artist that plays minimal and micro-house that was there from the 90s (chain reaction)and suddenly is considered to be ubber-cool by everyone! EDM is dying. Its the cold truth.

You obviously aren't listening to much music at all, are you?

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Originally posted by PETRAN Ok, thats what i'm trying to tell. That all EDM is affected. All is declined. The whole of EDM misses ideas. Except that if you think that sequences of electroish sounds coupled with the typical four-to-the-floor is something great.It's not its crap. Its all about being "cool" and "trendy". There is no fucking substance to this music anymore from the bloody "put your hands up for detroit"(and remember that mainstream reflects up to a certain point whats going on in the underground. Mainstream record in '99 was "El Nino". Cheesy?The hell to it, the lead-line was pure power!Now the famous record its "put your hands up for detroit". I'm ashamed that this piece of shit is called music) to the more "underground" Anandas. Ok, its minimal, its electro, its undergound, well the hell to it, its TRASH. Being cool doesn't change its low quality. Who cares about the hype when there is no substance to it? There is no more leftfield,Underworld F.S.O.L and Orbital in EDM. Now the best you gonna get is "Trentemoller", an artist that plays minimal and micro-house that was there from the 90s (chain reaction)and suddenly is considered to be ubber-cool by everyone! EDM is dying. Its the cold truth.

Check out Cobblestone Jazz - India In Me or the new Minilogue release Elephant�s Parade/Birdsong. Then come back and tell me if these aren�t at least a bit innovative (and great tracks as well).

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