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Originally posted by eROs.au jesus, lol.

SO it begins!

I've heard a couple of places say that he'll do a DNA test or something.


ok, but what will they compare it to? They don't have Jesus's DNA so theres no way of telling if its Jesus's remains there.

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Originally posted by Trance Nutter I've heard a couple of places say that he'll do a DNA test or something. ok, but what will they compare it to? They don't have Jesus's DNA so theres no way of telling if its Jesus's remains there.

lol i was thinking the same thing.

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Originally posted by Lateralus Inform the masses! The end of the debate is nigh! The incarnation of both God and Jesus is: LORD TETSUO!! Bow to your God! /thread

ROFL he spelt Tiesto wrong.

N00B!!1

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Originally posted by Vlad The mere existance of Christianity is complete bullshit. First off, if Christians were to believe in the ideas of Jesus, than Christians would have to abide by the Torah. No matter how 'holy' Jesus was supposed to be, Jesus still prayed to a god (which disapproves the idea that 'Jesus is thy Lord and savior'), and he abided by the Torah and all its laws.

I'm not certain what exactly your point is. I get the impression you believe that Christians elevate Jesus to a higher status then God, take his authority over God's, and pray to him instead of God. If this is what you think then I must correct you. The proper view of Jesus to Christians is that he was a physical manifestation of God on earth. He is not above God, rather he was part of God who lived as man to experience life as man. Through this experience Jesus became the ideal intermediary between God and man as he was devine but human. Christians do pray directly to God, however, we often will invoke the name of Jesus in our prayers seeking his advocacy on our behalf (I supposed that this is based on a believe that Jesus, having been man, is more sympathetic to our plights). If you believe that Christians disregard God in favour of Jesus you simply misunderstand us.

Additionally, I should point out that stating we ignore the law of the Torah is simply incorrect. Yes, there are many things that we do not abide by, however, this is more a stylistic difference then anything else. Our focus is on the things that Jesus taught, the things he focused on, as this is what we believe he felt was important. What Jesus' ministry was about was cutting through all the little things and erred beliefs that were convoluting the real message of God. Are the laws important, yes, but they are not the be all and end all, what really matters is living as God would want us to.

Now, more on topic with this thread.... A question to any believers (this should apply to Muslims too as finding the remains of Jesus is really more a blow to their faith then it is to Christianity)... if these remains could be and were proven to be Jesus' and his family... does that really effect your beliefs?

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Originally posted by Lateralus Inform the masses! The end of the debate is nigh! The incarnation of both God and Jesus is: LORD TETSUO!! Bow to your God! /thread

Then who is Akira?

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Originally posted by jupiterone The existence of this debate is bullshit. No one wins. Doesn't matter what evidence you bring to the table from either side, it won't make a difference if the other person believes in something else.

+9,393,358,094,823,184,953

Having learned it the hard way, my philosophy is ABANDON ANY ARGUMENT when it pertains to religion, choice of music, choice of Operating System, or afinity for certain brand of MP3 player. It's a pointless conversation in which one thing is constant: COPIOUS AMOUNTS OF CRAP BEING FLUNG BETWEEN CONVERSING PARTIES.

/thread. NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEXXXXXTTTT!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by Vlad He might have had ideas but who's to say that he is the final say? Amidst his ideas, he was still a devout Jew... ate Kosher, respected the Sabbath, etc... You could call him the first public "reform" Jew.

Hate to call fellow Heeb ignorant and illiterate but I must, in this case...

You betta check yoself before ya wreck yaself!

OK here goes :

JC was NOT AGAINST working on Sabbath:
Source

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Yet in several particulars Jesus declined to follow the directions of the Law, at least as it was interpreted by the Rabbis. Where John's followers fasted, he refused to do so (ii. 18). He permitted his followers to gather corn on the Sabbath (ii. 23-28), and himself healed on that day (iii. 1-6), though the stricter rabbis allowed only the saving of life to excuse the slightest curtailment of the Sabbath rest (Shab. xxii. 6). In minor points, such as the ablution after meals (vii. 2), he showed a freedom from traditional custom which implied a break with the stricter rule of the more rigorous adherents of the Law at that time. His attitude toward the Law is perhaps best expressed in an incident which, though recorded in only one manuscript of the Gospel of Luke (vi. 4, in the Codex Bez�), bears internal signs of genuineness. He is there reported to have met a man laboring onthe Sabbath-day�a sin deserving of death by stoning, according to the Mosaic law. Jesus said to the man: "Man, if thou knowest what thou doest, blessed art thou; but if thou knowest not, accursed art thou, and a transgressor of the Law." According to this, the Law should be obeyed unless a higher principle intervenes.

He certainly did not have a strong affinity for Koshrut and said that New Testament (which was like an expansion pack or add-on to the existing game called "Judaism") provided way for salvation. E.g. - do what you want, just repent and take salvation through J.C. and you'll be all cool.

Everything you wanted to know about J.C. and how he relates to Judaism (but were afraid to ask):

linky

peace out!

We should get Maury on the scene, he'll find the father!

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Originally posted by Boomer187 We should get Maury on the scene, he'll find the father!

omg he my baby daddy! i'm 50000% sure he my baby daddy

*rolls neck* / *waves finger*

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Originally posted by Subey Then who is Akira?

They are the same, but in two different entities. The entire flow of energy in all the universe is merely channeling itself through both entities. The power of a higher form of evolution is coaxed into both Tetsuo and Akira, though (in the movie) both bodies are unable to cope with this catostrophic change in such a short time. I think we all know what happens.

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Originally posted by Lilith So, like oatmeal biscuits into hash cookies and powdered milk into amphetamine's?

Hahahahahahahahahaha....hahahahahahahha...hahahahahaha

Anyone consider that this peak into Jesus Capone's vault is just another way for hate-filled groups to further disenfranchise Christians from their faith? Hegemonically, modern media and popular culture certainly, albeit subtley, do this quite well. Christians are either portrayed as zealots, or hill billies, ever notice that? Jesus was killed two thousand and seven years ago, now some moron is trying to do it again...poor bastard.

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Originally posted by Marc Summers The only evidence of the "Big bang" is static that was picked up with an antenna in Holmdel, NJ. What is the other evidence? An expanding universe, yes, but to understand that theory requires an understanding of physics (Fairly advanced physics I might add). You're going to tell me that BLINDLY believing in this evidence (Which most people do) is not the same as believing the pope's claim that he dictates god's wishes?

the difference being that science has a long and glorious history of making discoveries and contributing to what we know about the world. religion has given us what exactly?

whilst you might look at it as a belief based in ignorance, i would contend that im not nearly arrogant enough to disbelieve general consenses of the world's leading scientists. we revolve around sciences that not all of us understand, its not a "faith" to accept positions by those that are experts in the field. you cant be an expert in religion in the same way as you can science, as you dont really examine anything.

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Originally posted by Lateralus They are the same, but in two different entities. The entire flow of energy in all the universe is merely channeling itself through both entities. The power of a higher form of evolution is coaxed into both Tetsuo and Akira, though (in the movie) both bodies are unable to cope with this catostrophic change in such a short time. I think we all know what happens.

I was pretty sure Akira was Humpty Dumpty! And I figured all the imagery of Akira being cold and frozen and such implied Akira was a girl

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Originally posted by Vlad The mere existance of Christianity is complete bullshit. First off, if Christians were to believe in the ideas of Jesus, than Christians would have to abide by the Torah. No matter how 'holy' Jesus was supposed to be, Jesus still prayed to a god (which disapproves the idea that 'Jesus is thy Lord and savior'), and he abided by the Torah and all its laws.

If you studied the Old Testament, there's reference to Jesus been your Messiah all over the place... Now I can go out and say that modern Jewish peeps are BS.. ignorant ?

Now what christians are you referring to ?!?!

Jesus is the savior, meaning, giving us the opportunity for Atonement.
There's only on god, and thats GOD. Jesus and God are two separate figures.. We pray to God via JEsus, been the communicator, but we never pray to him.

PS: I call myself a christian because I believe in Jesus and all, but there's a big difference between my religion and the rest of the christians that came from the Catholic branch, mine doesn't.

Since ppl hve been getting on to the big bang and shit, and we had a special sermon on it on sunday (so this will be biased from a christian point of view, live with it) I thought I dive in and join the bedlum.


Before the big bang theory, scientists thought the universe was static, i.e. had always been there.

When the big bang theory was first thought up (by a dutch part time catholic priest, part time physicist - can't remember his name though) most scientists refuted it because it was too SIMILAR to Genesis.

It is similar, which is remarkable because you wouldn't expect a Jewish theologian three thousand years ago to have a very good grasp of particle physics would you?

The guy giving the lecture (who did his PhD in particle physics - he believes in the big bang theory, a sort of Intelligent Design I suppose) also made the point of saying that the big bang needed to be so perfectly balance, and relied on so many mathematical patterns (and remember this is before the laws of the universe, including maths, existed) that it was something like a one in ten to the power of ten to the power of ten to the power of ten to the power of ten to the power of ten to the power of ten to the power of hundred, although I'm not entirely sure how many 'to the power ofs' there were, of ever happening.



The idea that science excludes god is nonsense. Just because we can explain something by science doesn't mean God didn't create it, it just means we understand a little more of God's kingdom.

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Originally posted by Pheobius Since ppl hve been getting on to the big bang and shit, and we had a special sermon on it on sunday (so this will be biased from a christian point of view, live with it) I thought I dive in and join the bedlum. Before the big bang theory, scientists thought the universe was static, i.e. had always been there. When the big bang theory was first thought up (by a dutch part time catholic priest, part time physicist - can't remember his name though) most scientists refuted it because it was too SIMILAR to Genesis. It is similar, which is remarkable because you wouldn't expect a Jewish theologian three thousand years ago to have a very good grasp of particle physics would you? The guy giving the lecture (who did his PhD in particle physics - he believes in the big bang theory, a sort of Intelligent Design I suppose) also made the point of saying that the big bang needed to be so perfectly balance, and relied on so many mathematical patterns (and remember this is before the laws of the universe, including maths, existed) that it was something like a one in ten to the power of ten to the power of ten to the power of ten to the power of ten to the power of ten to the power of ten to the power of hundred, although I'm not entirely sure how many 'to the power ofs' there were, of ever happening. The idea that science excludes god is nonsense. Just because we can explain something by science doesn't mean God didn't create it, it just means we understand a little more of God's kingdom.

First, why are we bringing in Jewish theologicians into picture? Why turn it around and make it a JEWISH issue? I don't suppose James Cameron is Jewish, is he? Christian faith is a conglomeration of pagan, druid, Jewish, and many other religions present at that time. To be successfull and recognizable to those religions it was aiming to absorb, it had to "look and feel" as close as possible to them. Hence the co-incidence of many Christian holidays to those religions it absorbed.

Now, speaking of Big Bang - my theory is that we're bunch of microbes sitting in some supreme aliens elementary school's laboratory beaker as sub-primal culture of microbes. They are studying the subject of "Self destruction" and we're a lab material. We think we are important, big, advanced, etc. But in reality - we're not even visible to a naked eye. Oh, and that Big Bang - all a part of this lab experiment. Billions of years? Yah. Only to us. To them - fraction of a second. How's that for theory of relativity? How's that for "Big Bang" theory?

My favorite part of "Men in Black" was the last minute or so of the movie, where they show aliens playing with a glass marble that is our universe.

I laugh at religious zealots of any denomination. You people need to think not of your selfish (presumed but highly improbable) salvation but of making the lives of those around you better without shoving your disease down everyone's throats. Parting note - "Salvation" is a made up notion that man has created to distance himself from any other organic matter occupying this planet - thinking that somehow your carcass won't be your last stop before you become fertilizer and worm food. Guess what - you're just as anything else that has come around and left. Nothing but carbon matter. Believe what you will. But there's no light at the end of the tunnel, your relatives won't meet you there, and the only justice and judgment are the ones handed out here, while you can still take and/or deliver good ass-kicking. When your time comes, it's lights out and... the end. No happy ending, no thereafter, no mystery. Just a dirt nap.

The least you can hope for is that your end is peaceful and painless.


/rant.

I think that Jesus had the right idea. If you explore some Gnostic scrolls like the gospel of thomas you'll see that the dude had a message very similiar to hinduism/buddhism. that we are one with god. we are his children because we are one in the same. the "collective consciousness" of eastern thought IS god.

but people in the west werent ready for that, so they just chose to skew his message and worship him as a God himself.

i hope one day people will just sift through all the bullshit in each religion and get the real message. amen.

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Originally posted by aNYthing Now, speaking of Big Bang - my theory is that we're bunch of microbes sitting in some supreme aliens elementary school's laboratory beaker as sub-primal culture of microbes. They are studying the subject of "Self destruction" and we're a lab material. We think we are important, big, advanced, etc. But in reality - we're not even visible to a naked eye. Oh, and that Big Bang - all a part of this lab experiment. Billions of years? Yah. Only to us. To them - fraction of a second. How's that for theory of relativity? How's that for "Big Bang" theory?

Ok then. so what kind of universe are the aliens in? are they experiments in a bigger laboratory?

I think the docu will be on TV next week or something....

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Originally posted by Pheobius The idea that science excludes god is nonsense. Just because we can explain something by science doesn't mean God didn't create it, it just means we understand a little more of God's kingdom.

i dont think anybody is saying this though. still, religion isn't going to provide us with any answers about anything ever, so science still has the upper hand as a method of inquiry.

so i'm watching the documentary on this on the discovery channel now...it's pretty convincing so far...answers most of the questions people are skeptical about in this thread...

i hope you'll all get the chance to watch it...

or go to the website www.discovery.com/tomb

I've know for years Christianity was fraud thats why I've switched to Scientology

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