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overrated djs? see top 250 dj list...there are plenty near the top.

but seriously...


-tiesto
-blank and jones
-probably also paul van dyk (currently)

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Originally posted by oldschool420 I think this is all kind of pointless. It seems to be taking the turn of "what dj I don't like" instead of overrated djs, and even overrated completely varies based on a persons experiences and musical preference.

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Originally posted by oldschool420 I think this is all kind of pointless. It seems to be taking the turn of "what dj I don't like" instead of overrated djs, and even overrated completely varies based on a persons experiences and musical preference.

Well sure, but it's just a msgboard. Aren't we allowed to share personal experiences and musical preferences?

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Originally posted by jon jon Well sure, but it's just a msgboard. Aren't we allowed to share personal experiences and musical preferences?

I think the point is that it's just an endless debate. For every person out there who thinks Tiesto is over rated, theres another out there that looks at him as god.

When someone says Danny Howells, Richie Hawtin or Sasha are over rated (imo) it's simply because they just do not like the type of music they spin.

Hard to separate fact from opinion here. If *everyone* thinks Tiesto is overrated, that is a fact? But then if he was overrated, there wouldn't be people paying $60 to see him. So not everyone thinks he's overrated. But if I say I think Howells is overrated, that's wrong cause my opinion goes against your opinion?

So I think we agree that this thread is pretty dumb; I just said Howells to piss you all off cause you all worship him (Although I still think he's overrated, but that's because I don't see what all the hubbub is about, aaand partly because I find the whole notion of "needing 6 hours for a set to start to get good" to be pretty amusing).

P.S. To whoever said that I'm not in any position to judge Howells because I only listened to one set, I would say that fact is pretty irrelevant. You guys were all going crazy for his EM, and I figured that would be a good representation of what his "good" sound is like, so I listened to it, and I found it to be good music for when I'm coming down after an E trip, when I want to listen to something to calm my body down. Ergo, I found the set to be overrated, and since it's a representation of Danny's good sound, I can safely say that he is overrated as well then. Unless of course you point out again that I need to listen to an 8-hour set of his to really enjoy him, but I think that if I got bored after 1.5 hours, I'll probably be dazed after 7.

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Originally posted by Jeff Button I think the point is that it's just an endless debate.

Well so is the rest of the msgboard discussion, at least this debate is about dance music. Ultimately it interests me to know public opinion... I like to know what musically my friends are feeling/ not feeling...

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur Hard to separate fact from opinion here.

who said any of this was fact?

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Originally posted by jon jon Well sure, but it's just a msgboard. Aren't we allowed to share personal experiences and musical preferences?

You are, I never said you couldn't did I? I just think people saying that one persons opinion is wrong because they haven't seen that DJ enough makes no sense at all. That's cool if it interests you, but as I said, I think it's pointless. I make my own conclusions of what I dislike and like and I don't really care if people agree with me or not. I will like what I like, and they will like what they like(for whatever reasons). As Jeff it is an endless debate because there are so many different opinions.

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Originally posted by oldschool420 I don't really care if people agree with me or not. I will like what I like, and they will like what they like(for whatever reasons).

hah I feel this way about every thread ever made. I never said you had to agree with said opinions, I do however find it counter-productive to have this "it's pointless, I don't give a shit what anyone thinks" attitude. That's what the fucking board is for!

Most (not all) international DJs that come to Toronto on a regular basis are overrated.

As for Tiesto, the hype is so big with him ... I don't think there is a DJ in the world that can match that sort of hype with talent.

What makes a DJ overrated typically is the hype, which in most cases is created by fans and people who go to see that DJ's show.

Interestingly, in Europe, people don't tend to create such crazy hype around any one DJ. In Holland, Tiesto can still be spotted occasionally spinning at small cafes or lounges, and nothing crazy happens like wild fans doing something stupid. People just act normal, even if they're right beside Tiesto in a cafe. Something like that would not be possible in a city like Toronto, as Tiesto would quickly get mobbed by fans, and something stupid likely would happen.

There are plenty of legendary DJs and international stars that have come to Toronto once or twice, yet there has been very little hype. That happens for a simple reason; the masses of clubgoers and people in general aren't familiar with that certain DJ, so thus no ridiculous hype is created.

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Originally posted by jon jon I do however find it counter-productive to have this "it's pointless, I don't give a shit what anyone thinks" attitude. That's what the fucking board is for!

I think he meant it more as he doesnt care what ppl think of the music/DJs he likes, as opposed to their opinions of music they like,
in which case i completely agree.

No one should really care about ppl's opinions about the music/DJs they like imo
Interesting to read, but nothing to care about

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Originally posted by TheVrk I think he meant it more as he doesnt care what ppl think of the music/DJs he likes, as opposed to their opinions of music they like, in which case i completely agree.

Yeah I realize that, but again, isn't that the point of the msgboard? Discussing open opinions, challenging ideas?

If you find other people's opinions (in relation to yours) so pointless, then why bother sharing in the first place?

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Originally posted by jon jon Yeah I realize that, but again, isn't that the point of the msgboard? Discussing open opinions, challenging ideas? If you find other people's opinions (in relation to yours) so pointless, then why bother sharing in the first place?

I don't find other ppl's opinions pointless at all, especially in relation to mine.....i actually find 'em really interesting.
I wish there were more threads that were mainly ppl's opinions/analyses of whatever mixes. ex. Danny Howells - Essential Mix thread
Those are the most intriguing to read imo.

Its just that these opinions would never influence any of my tastes, as they wouldn't yours i'm guessing.

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Originally posted by Adamo Lawler is not overated...if you think that then you were obviously not at TiL for his Toronto Residency opening night...

+1

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Originally posted by Dark_Archonis Something like that would not be possible in a city like Toronto, as Tiesto would quickly get mobbed by fans, and something stupid likely would happen.

You're kidding yourself. No one would recognize Tiesto here. Unless he went to a coffeeshop filled with TAs.

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur ...aaand partly because I find the whole notion of "needing 6 hours for a set to start to get good" to be pretty amusing

lol

Ignorance is bliss.

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur You're kidding yourself. No one would recognize Tiesto here. Unless he went to a coffeeshop filled with TAs.

+1. TAs live in a bubble sometimes

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Originally posted by TheVrk I don't find other ppl's opinions pointless at all

I wasn't talking about you, you were defending Justin's post.

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Originally posted by TheVrk Its just that these opinions would never influence any of my tastes, as they wouldn't yours i'm guessing.

That's not necessarily true, directly... probably not. But people's opinions on ANYTHING generally affect my take on any given subject. If even to better understand why people "hate" something only sheds more light on a topic.

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Originally posted by jon jon That's not necessarily true, directly... probably not. But people's opinions on ANYTHING generally affect my take on any given subject. If even to better understand why people "hate" something only sheds more light on a topic.

Thats a good point, I agree to a greater extent.
I guess thats one of the reasons i love reading opinions so much.

Ex. though, as much as I enjoy Matthew Dekay, no one'e opinion will make me like him any less,
but it will give another angle to the understanding of his sound/style.
That in itself is what gets me to analyze ppl's thoughts and in turn makes opinions so interesting.

Ultimately, as your EDM listening hours total into the thousands, you raise the bar regarding what you consider to be 'impressive' (aka NOT 'over-rated').

After all this listening you carve out a sound that you like -- tracks/sets that are outside your comfort zone are automatically heard by you in a different way - you don't even notice it - Different how? Well, you'll be paying much more attention to it, making it even easier to pick out/reference/criticize what it is you don't like.

Enter the International DJ - hype and hype all over the place blah blah blah. You hear/attend a few sets and you just can't get enough, until you come across the first completely SHIT one and realize that there are limits to what they can do -- especially when it comes to pumping out an impressive tracklist/mix gig after gig -- this is their job, they can't innovate every damn night - all that matters is that the crowd in attendance enjoyed their outing.

That said, some of you need to relax on your dj/genre worship/hate and open your minds a little.

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur But if I say I think Howells is overrated, that's wrong cause my opinion goes against your opinion?

No, you're wrong because one Essential Mix doesn't do Danny Howells justice. There's more to Danny Howells than what you've heard on that Essential Mix. And there's certainly more to him than what you'd even hear in a club. This is why he has so much respect among a few of us here, because unlike 90% of the DJ population out there he has a real depth to his sound that you only appreciate the more you listen to him.

On top of all this, your experience in listening to House is pretty limited, so more than likely you're not really appreciating him the way one should. It's like me listening to one mix by some D'n'B god and then saying "yo this guy is so overrated". Heck, that was my opinion on techno for the longest time, until finally I just "got it".

Cosmic Fur calling Danny Howells overrated is like someone who drinks wine casually trying a glass of 1787 Chateau Lafite and calling it overrated.

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH No, you're wrong because one Essential Mix doesn't do Danny Howells justice. There's more to Danny Howells than what you've heard on that Essential Mix.

I think this applies to ANY DJ, let alone someone with a sound as diverse and intricate as Howells.
Imo, u need to see a DJ live a few times as well as really deeply listen to his sets, to the point of feeling them, to be able to make a fair judgement.
To me, especially his EM, Howells is something to feel more than listen

Anything besides that is borderline speculation - nowhere near a fair judgement.

to add to the Danny Howells debate...
i myself have never really got into his stuff...
have always regarded him as a talent, but not my bag....
This year in Miami he did 2 exceptionally cool things:

1-held an abolsute 80's party with Lee Burridge at a Bar (not a club on the first night of the conference) no beats, no mash-ups, just straight 80's...no bubble gum either...the good stuff...Falco, Orchestral Manouvers in The Dark, The Fixx, XTC and much more..the vibe was awesome, and the egos were put aisde..great party!

2- he absolutely rinsed PAwn Shop (Miami Afterhours)
absolutely flawless programming, exceptionally chosen tracks...
and unlike many (i am not on pills when i attend these jams!)

I agree with Justin. It seems like this thread is all about preferences rather than what DJ is more overrated.

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Originally posted by jon jon Well sure, but it's just a msgboard. Aren't we allowed to share personal experiences and musical preferences?

Sure this is a msgboard so personal experiences and musical preferences, but the tile of this thread is "Who is the most overrated DJ?" not "what DJs don't you like and what personal experiences have you had that made you think that?"

You're so "classic lisa"

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Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~* Sure this is a msgboard so personal experiences and musical preferences

what?

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Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~* I agree with Justin. It seems like this thread is all about preferences rather than what DJ is more overrated.

So what do you want us to do? Look it up in the DJ almanac? It's a question which demands a subjective answer. lol ffs

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