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| Originally posted by Sand Leaper For fuck's sake, stop using "minimal" like it is a new genre that popped up when people started bumming Richie Hawtin and his new haircut. "Minimal" is a prefix, an approach to creating music where you aspire to achieve maximum impact from a minimum of elements. Therefore, any type of music whatsoever can be minimal. "Minimal" is not an all-purpose denominator to be used for lumping in every techno or tech house tune that tries to mimic what Richie Hawtin is putting in his sets and signing to his label these days. Techno as a genre has been moving towards a more minimal approach in recent years, (as can be seen in the sets of people like Adam Beyer or Marco Carola), but people like Robert Hood and Mike Ink have been pioneering this approach to techno for more than 10 years, way before the cocaine massive started inhabiting techno nights, and way before DJs and producers started to water sets and productions down to a mindnumbingly boring heap of grey matter to accomodate them and their favouring of poseur habits at the bar instead of dancing. And finally, if you're gonna resort to pompous rhetoric like "true minimal" (techno, obviously), at least name check some releases that actually broke some ground, like this one, this one or this one. |
Minimal only now has gotten recognition as a popular genre, I already said why; Richie Hawtin. Now everything with a repetative, constant beat that lacks a climax and emotional melody like trance or house or whatever is classified as minimal.
What the basis of minimal now is in the community and market is really like a sub-genre of house and techno. Like on beatport when you click "House" then you look under sub-categories you have tribal, disco, acid ect. ect. "Mainstream" minimal is all just a sub-genre of techno and house. It's like the 2 grand daddies of everything now; techno and house.
Most real minimal is either under chill-out or electronica at music stores. Take Ezekiel Honig for example or Morgan Packard or Mark Templeton.
Same shit goes with electro, but luckily they've named it electro-house so it isn't that embarrassing towards electro and hip-hop.
Genre's are bullshit anyway, it's all music, it's all 0's and 1's and just sound.
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| Originally posted by Spirit5 Maybe I am but where's the fun in "beep, beep, ding ding, beep, beep" or whatever it is. To me, that's what minimal sounds like, it's the lack of elements and the simplicity. But to me, going out to a club or some festival and hearing a set full of that for what two hours with maybe some electro-house shit, is boooring as hell. People go out to have fun, enjoy themselves, and unless your in some lounge where really arty people go to who like things like modern art and poetry (I do) and just sit around and drink mixed drinks, then I don't see how minimal as a genre can really "rock a dance floor", as in make people jump up and have fun and dance. It's almost like dancing to ambient music....the music should reflect the experience, just as the experience should reflect the music. Not saying minimal totally sucks, but I just don't feel it's a genre that works on a dancefloor like trance, techno, house and breaks. PS. This is just my opinion that it doesn't to me. Maybe it does, as I don't go to clubs in Germany or anywhere else. But from the stand point of enjoyable club music, I don't think minimal is. |
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| Originally posted by jupiterone it's all music, it's all electrical current and just sound. |
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| Originally posted by Psy-T fixed |
it's 0's and 1's in the sequencers!!!
Popularity is like sine wave. We went from Trance to Progressive to Electro and now probably to Minimal. So does that mean it will work it's way up now?
It's like a cycle. Once we all get too old then a new generation will start their own cycle.
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| Originally posted by Fledz Popularity is like sine wave. We went from Trance to Progressive to Electro and now probably to Minimal. So does that mean it will work it's way up now? It's like a cycle. Once we all get too old then a new generation will start their own cycle. |
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| Originally posted by wotyzoid simplicity is no reason to bash music, i somewhat agree with you on ur statement, i, however, like all types of edm (except happy hardcore, hardstyle or euro or any other garbage alike) from main dance to dum and bass i like everything, i have no problem with minimal whatsoever and even enjoy it to extremes once in a while BUT to me at least, minimal will never be as deep or revigorating as a good trance or house tune. But you fail when you stated that minimal is way too simplistic to be good (soory if i missunderstood your point) because i see music that is way too complicated to be a lack of creativity. A simple and sweet track beats any complicated, alphabetisised mess of a tune any day. A good producer always knows that. |
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| Originally posted by jupiterone I think that means next step is just groovy white noise |
UMMMMM...the future of music is a mistery, it might seem close minded but i think only the concept of music will evold, every genre of music in my opinion has already been created it will only get better imo.
I'll be the next person to create the biggest genre of music the world has ever known.
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| Originally posted by jupiterone I'll be the next person to create the biggest genre of music the world has ever known. |
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| Originally posted by wotyzoid can i join you? the next daft perhaps? |
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| Originally posted by jupiterone You know i've always wanted to find someone with similar music interests as me who would want to form a duo. But that kinda person has never came about. |
How about Fartronica..the next genre of music....there's already electronic music that sounds like that!
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| Originally posted by Spirit5 How about Fartronica..the next genre of music....there's already electronic music that sounds like that! |
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| Originally posted by wotyzoid i am very flexible. + if the other person has the exact same taste as you nothing really "fusionistic" lest say will come out. It has to be a clash between two worlds. Like daft Tom B_ French House + Guy-man_Electroish + Rock = GREATNESS |
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| Originally posted by jupiterone Oh yes I know, but when I say similar I mean that will agree upon my input and I will agree upon there to create something interesting. Not like, I am an experimental whore and theyre a deathmetal whore with the occasional exposure to DJ Sammy. |
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| Originally posted by wotyzoid dang electro-house!! well maybe we can all just record pissing or vomiting noises and that will be a huge hit. |
the minimal panel of experts have spoken.
good thread.
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| Originally posted by bobba lou the minimal panel of experts have spoken. good thread. |
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| Originally posted by TheKidsWantTechno minimal can be boring like that. but if you go to somewhere in the world where the crowd is into it, you'll see dancing like the most bangin house/techno/whatevr you want can't touch with a 10 foot pole. go to dc10 on ibiza, you'll see what i mean  |
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| Originally posted by MoBreakz Steve powned you though. You do realise you come off as a Minimal Elitest Queen Mary right? I mean if those aritsts i named dont create any minimal at all, you wouldnt sound so dumb about your nitpicking. |
I don't care if you call or mislabel it minimal or techhouse or anything else. At the moment people like Sven Vath, Extrawelt, James Holden, Loco Dice, Raresh, Richie Hawtin are doing it for me. Had some great parties last few months with these dj's. Crazy crowds, nice music and every roof was blown away.
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| Originally posted by dcctnycprincess calling RJT a minimal elitest queen mary just made me spit out my coffee |
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