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Originally posted by nchs09 why doesnt your work pay you?

I'm sure his work DOES pay him. But they probably don't pay him enough to cover all his gas expenses driving for them.

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Originally posted by spiflicated I tip anywhere from 10-25% based on how good the service is: 10% for shitty service,

Why would you tip anything for shitty service? Thats just stupid.

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Originally posted by Trance Nutter Why would you tip anything for shitty service? Thats just stupid.

So theyll only spit a little bit in his soup the next time he goes in.

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Originally posted by Ang ' ela_ie So theyll only spit a little bit in his soup the next time he goes in.

that wasn't spit

cream of sum-yung-gai?

I used to work at a club. Believe it or not, those girls that sell those shots, get paid 2 bucks an hour and are expected to earn the rest through tips. It sucked. You walked around with a big tray of shots that no one wanted to really buy, and if they did buy it they made some nasty comment about taking the shot off your chest. WTF ever dude, fuck off!

Bartending... ah, I was a bartender for a looong time. $2.13 an hour + tips. It really sucks on slow days, because if you only have two or three customers, you make LESS than minimum wage. And at a club, it sucks even more. So many customers just walk off without paying. Or they make it seem like they're paying because they drop money down but it's two or three dollars short, so that's coming out of YOUR pocket.

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I used to waitress too but everyone's already touched that subject so whatever. And yes, it's true that you have to tip out. That 5 dollar tip you give, 1 dollar goes to the SA's, 2 dollars goes to the bartender, 2 to your actual waitress.

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Originally posted by Theresa OK, I have a little bit of knowledge on this subject given that I have been both cashier, waitress, and bartender. Cashier - at least here in Ontario, cashiers receive at least the mandatory min. wage, or whatever the employer decides to give them, so long as it is min. wage or higher. You go to them, they do not come to you. They do not hand deliver you anything (other than perhaps a pack of cigs or something, but that doesn't really count). Waitress - again, here in Ontario, waitress min. wage is a dollar less than the regular min. wage. So if min. wage is $7, a waitress will get $6. Legally you have to claim a MINIMUM of $1/hr worked in tips on your taxes, so you end up having to pay taxes on the tips, no matter how much you made. A lot of restaurants will also require a "tip out" which is a percentage of your total sales (sometimes up to 4% regardless of how much you made in tips). This tip out goes toward kitchen staff, bussers etc. So the waitress loses a large chunk of the tips they get. A waitress of course does a lot of running around, a lot of "waiting on" aka WAITress. Going to a sit down restaurant allows you this privelage. They could easily make it fast food style where you get your own food at the kitchen. Because you receive that courtesy, you are expected to tip. Bartender - similar to a waitress, a bartender wage is a dollar less than the regular min. wage. Due to a total sale being far less than a meal, a bartender has to serve about 50 drinks to get the amount in tips as a waitress would get for one table. Not to mention, with cash and carry (meaning, no tab being run... paying as you get it) MANY people throw in a quarter or whatever, which is often far less than the 15%. Think about it... a mixed drink is 5 dollars - someone drops a quarter. This is a 5% tip. Again, bartenders are required to claim one dollar per hour on their taxes, whether they make that or not. If a bartender is full time, and you work during the week, or during the day, you could be making $1 per 2 or 3hrs. When they make more, it evens out. Tipping is shit for both the customer, and the employee. If the employee gets fucked with a shitty tip just because the people are stingy, there is nothing they can do, and that means that they may be making less than the regular min. wage altogether. One example for me when I got ROYALLY fucked: I was working on a slow night as a waitress. I had maybe 5 tables in total. TWO of those tables paid via credit, and BOTH happened to forget to add a tip to the credit slip (took the wrong one - customer slip vs. merchant). At the end of the night, I paid out what I owed the restaurant, and then deducted the 3% as my tip out, and I actually ended up with only $7 for myself... for the entire night. Needless to say, I was very upset. My tipout was much higher than I had left over for myself. EX: $632 total sales 18.96 (3%) 26.00 total tips - 18.96 ------------------- 7 dollars for me I was pissed off. Anyway, waitresses and bartenders both go through a lot of bullshit dealing with impatient/asshole/borderline retarded customers, they deal with people "dining and dashing" which they often have to pay for out of their own pockets, and they deal with a lot of harassment. All of this AND they get paid a dollar less an hour. They deserve those tips. Yes, tipping sucks. I hate tipping too. However, the way our systems are set up, a tip is expected because they assume you know it is part of the cost of the experience. They just happen to be giving YOU the option to choose how much the deserve. If they took away tips, the cost of your meals/drinks/etc. would go up to pay for the servers wages anyway.

Exactly, if you want the food to cost less, tips are a good thing.

I never asked for a tip when I was behind the bar or out serving, just provided good service, didnt leave the tables alone for 20 minutes every hour because I had to smoke (that kills a lot of the girls tips where i worked.) I would easily leave with 25% in tips each day/night. The guy who took over my bartending job lost a lot of customers and never seemed to make the same in tips. It's all about personality and respecting the customer. If you become cocky, you'll lose out on a lot of repeat business.

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Originally posted by bas I tip my bartenders all the time and I tip big. Why? They remember you then pour your drinks stronger and don't charge as much. At one club I go to the same bartender EVERYTIME and he always remembers me. I get two vodka redbulls, he gives me top shelf vodka, pours strong, and charges me 7 dollars total. They're normally 9 dollars a piece for bottom shelf vodka. I give him 5 or 6 dollar tips everytime. I go to another bartender, they play by the rules charge me correct price pour my drink like shit and they get a buck or two.

Agreed, the bars I would go to, they would pour shots in the "Good customer" cups. My vodka-crans would always be 4 shots of goose for the price of happy hour vodka. I think I've only been charged for red bulls twice there too.

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