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...and I think it's safe to assume that a young black student who was following up on an interview for a position with the provincial government, would be offended that he is known by his potential employer as "ghetto dude".

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Originally posted by Deam I'm not trying to shove it down anyones throat at all. The media reaction to it was most likely sensationalized due to the fact that it came from the government. However, it shows a real lack of empathy that people cannot grasp that someone might find it offensive and deragotry to learn that he is being referred to as "ghetto dude" internally by potential employers. The point is it doesn't matter if you find it derogatory, but whether the person it was directed to found it derogatory or offensive. And lets be honest, calling someone ghetto is not some random word without any meaning or conotation. If it has no meaning or connotatio to you, that's fine, it's simply a matter of perception. But it has meaning to someone else.

yeah the reason why this story is so big is because it came from the government...

my friend told me that when you apply for government jobs, on the application they have boxes to check such as ethnic minority, homosexual, etc. which gives you a better chance of getting hired

same thing with law school, if you are gay, or a minority, you have a better chance of getting in....

I believe in giving someone a better chance if say they come from a low income family..... say some really rich minority goes to private school, goes to a good university.... why should he have a better chance of getting a job than anyone else?

sorta like my friend in high school, she was half black, she was rich, but got a $3500 african canadian scholarship..... like give someone a scholarship if they need the money, no just because of the color of their skin.... because that is racist!

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Originally posted by teufel-man I believe in giving someone a better chance if say they come from a low income family..... say some really rich minority goes to private school, goes to a good university.... why should he have a better chance of getting a job than anyone else?

This guy didn't want a "better chance", I'm pretty sure he wanted to be given "a chance" and didn't feel he was being afforded one because he was a "ghetto dude" to his potential employer.

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Originally posted by teufel-man yeah the reason why this story is so big is because it came from the government... my friend told me that when you apply for government jobs, on the application they have boxes to check such as ethnic minority, homosexual, etc. which gives you a better chance of getting hired same thing with law school, if you are gay, or a minority, you have a better chance of getting in.... I believe in giving someone a better chance if say they come from a low income family..... say some really rich minority goes to private school, goes to a good university.... why should he have a better chance of getting a job than anyone else? sorta like my friend in high school, she was half black, she was rich, but got a $3500 african canadian scholarship..... like give someone a scholarship if they need the money, no just because of the color of their skin.... because that is racist!

Yeah, that's the exact kind of fucking bullshit I'm talking about. Equal opportunity is such a crock. You want a fucking job or a break in life, EARN IT OF YOUR OWN MERIT AND ABILITY!! Fuck sakes. Fuck these people.

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Originally posted by OutcastTO This guy didn't want a "better chance", I'm pretty sure he wanted to be given "a chance" and didn't feel he was being afforded one because he was a "ghetto dude" to his potential employer.

I'm sure now that they know what an opportunistic whiner he is, they're probably glad they got called out on it.

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Originally posted by jennypie I'm sure now that they know what an opportunistic whiner he is, they're probably glad they got called out on it.

So you're saying it's ok for our provincial government to discriminate?..right.

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Originally posted by OutcastTO So you're saying it's ok for our provincial government to discriminate?..right.

This is nigger talk for sure.

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Originally posted by OutcastTO So you're saying it's ok for our provincial government to discriminate?..right.

That's not what I'm saying at all.


WHOOSH!

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Originally posted by jennypie That's not what I'm saying at all. WHOOSH!

please explain.

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Originally posted by OutcastTO please explain.

Wow.

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Originally posted by jennypie Yeah, that's the exact kind of fucking bullshit I'm talking about. Equal opportunity is such a crock. You want a fucking job or a break in life, EARN IT OF YOUR OWN MERIT AND ABILITY!! Fuck sakes. Fuck these people.

It's hard to tell if your joking or not, so it makes meaningful conversation difficult. If you are, it's somewhat tasteless. If you are not, well, the fact that you caps "EARN IT OF YOUR OWN MERIT AND ABILITY" suggests that you don't even see the contradiction in your statements.

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Originally posted by Deam It's hard to tell if your joking or not, so it makes meaningful conversation difficult. If you are, it's somewhat tasteless. If you are not, well, the fact that you caps "EARN IT OF YOUR OWN MERIT AND ABILITY" suggests that you don't even see the contradiction in your statements.

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Originally posted by Deam It's hard to tell if your joking or not, so it makes meaningful conversation difficult. If you are, it's somewhat tasteless. If you are not, well, the fact that you caps "EARN IT OF YOUR OWN MERIT AND ABILITY" suggests that you don't even see the contradiction in your statements.

What contradictions? With few exceptions, I think people should earn things the honest way, and not because they've been victimized, or whatever other crock of shit..like the fellow in this article. Pretty simple concept.

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Originally posted by jennypie What contradictions? With few exceptions, I think people should earn things the honest way, and not because they've been victimized, or whatever other crock of shit..like the fellow in this article. Pretty simple concept.

So to paraphrase:

The Government of Ontario CAN call this guy a "ghetto dude" internally and this POLI SCI student should suck it up and apply for what other provincial government located in Toronto?

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Originally posted by OutcastTO So to paraphrase: The Government of Ontario CAN call this guy a "ghetto dude" internally and this POLI SCI student should suck it up and apply for what other provincial government located in Toronto?

Uh no, lol. Good lord, what the fuck is wrong with you people???

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Originally posted by jennypie What contradictions? With few exceptions, I think people should earn things the honest way, and not because they've been victimized, or whatever other crock of shit..like the fellow in this article. Pretty simple concept.

What do you call the honest way then? I guess the first question is, are you referring specifically to this case, or is this your veiw generally?

I would say this, if he got the job now based solely on his claim of victimizaiton, and an attempt to placate him, then, you would be correct based on your statements. I mean we can be blunt and say, if this man got the job at this point because of the victimization, ************ that there were more qualified people, then yes, that is not earning it based on merit and ability.

However, when you then talk about merit and ability, i.e. "EARN IT OF YOUR OWN MERIT AND ABILITY" you seem to disregard the fact that someone with equal or greater merit or ability is passed over due to some other reason, which is a direct contradiction to what you are saying. If they guy wasn't getting a fair review of his application or credentials because he was black, how is that based on merit or ability? To be honest, I don't know how he stacked up to the rest of the candidates for the job. I don't think we'll ever know. He may not even get the job.

I think, though, what this illustrates is that potentially deragatory and discriminatory behaviour happens to various groups of people, and this was just a case where it was made public. It may very well be that her reference to the man as "ghetto dude" was, as I suspect, simply a poor use of identifier. However, it is not a far stretch for the applicant, after learning how he has been described, to be concerned that he is not in fact being judged based on his merit and ability alone.

Do you disagree with this possibility?

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Originally posted by Deam What do you call the honest way then? I guess the first question is, are you referring specifically to this case, or is this your veiw generally?

I mean the person who is best qualified to do the job, should get the job. Yes, that's my view generally.

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Originally posted by Deam However, when you then talk about merit and ability, i.e. "EARN IT OF YOUR OWN MERIT AND ABILITY" you seem to disregard the fact that someone with equal or greater merit or ability is passed over due to some other reason, which is a direct contradiction to what you are saying. If they guy wasn't getting a fair review of his application or credentials because he was black, how is that based on merit or ability? To be honest, I don't know how he stacked up to the rest of the candidates for the job. I don't think we'll ever know. He may not even get the job.

Yeah I understand all that, but that's why I made it clear at the beginning of the thread that it wasn't the issue that stood out to me. So no, it isn't in contradiction to what I'm saying. It's actually irrelevant to what I'm saying.

Since being called "ghetto dude", this guy has been claiming racial victimisation, and now he's getting all kinds of job offers because of it. I think that's fucking bullshit. Plain and simple.

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Originally posted by Deam I think, though, what this illustrates is that potentially deragatory and discriminatory behaviour happens to various groups of people, and this was just a case where it was made public. It may very well be that her reference to the man as "ghetto dude" was, as I suspect, simply a poor use of identifier. However, it is not a far stretch for the applicant, after learning how he has been described, to be concerned that he is not in fact being judged based on his merit and ability alone. Do you disagree with this possibility?

Not at all. And again, if you had read my earlier posts, I said very clearly that that wasn't even what I took issue with. That's a whole other part of this argument that I've never been discussing in this thread.

Fair enough, then I misunderstood your posts and my comments are generally off the mark with respect to you. Indeed, if the job offers are simply based on the victimization, than it may not be on merit or skill, but just giving someone a break. Or, on the other hand, they may have followed up with him based on his CV and credentials. I don't know.

Admittedly, I was thrown off of your specific point, pegging you for a blatant racist. With such comments like: "Yeah the issue here is that this dumb fuck is acting like a Jew about the whole thing." and the picture you posted, it was hard not to think that you simply didn't care that a black person felt that he was being discriminated against or had derogatory comments made against him. It's hard to tell when people are joking or not on these forums.

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Originally posted by Deam With such comments like: "Yeah the issue here is that this dumb fuck is acting like a Jew about the whole thing." and the picture you posted, it was hard not to think that you simply didn't care that a black person felt that he was being discriminated against or had derogatory comments made against him. It's hard to tell when people are joking or not on these forums.

Bahahahaha. There there, you'll learn. *pat on head*

I'll be here all week btw. Try the steak, and don't forget to tip your waitress.



edit: Oh shit, you've been here since 2001? Goddamn son, maybe you should have registered in the general level courses.

Yeah, I've been here for a while, just haven't read enough of your posts to know that the line between humour and crassness is crossed so readily. If that's what they teach in the general level courses, sign me up.

I've already tried the steak, it was a bit overdone.

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Originally posted by Deam Yeah, I've been here for a while, just haven't read enough of your posts to know that the line between humour and crassness is crossed so readily. If that's what they teach in the general level courses, sign me up.

Yeah well, put your feet up and relax buddy...it's the internet.

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Originally posted by jennypie Uh no, lol. Good lord, what the fuck is wrong with you people???

I gave up on previous page
it's easier to talk to a wall really

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Originally posted by jennypie Yeah well, put your feet up and relax buddy...it's the internet.

It's true, one shouldn't expect anything more from the internet.

I just finished reading the articles and most of your comments regarding this situation and I'm gonna throw my 2 cents in.

1. what's with all the drama and sorry asses? He's been apologized to, the chick who sent the email has been fired, justice done, now let's move on.

To me it seems that the press makes it to much of a big deal, I mean, racial slurs happened before, shit happens; I believe there are penalties for racial discrimination.

2. he's had job offers for great positions; com'on now... if it was me wanting to have those jobs, I'd have to work my ass off to get experience FIRST before I can even apply THAN bite my fingers hoping that I could get it so I can have a career+pay my bills; this guy has them all served on a silver plater and isn't accepting them ... :/

Is it bad rep, which might affect the workplace environment he'd be working in?
who started this in the first place? if it wasn't for the big fuss he still could've worked decently without being pointed fingers at and threated differently.

3. Ms. Siu (not the HR person) is the one in the worst shit because she didn't even see it coming; all of the sudden she's bombarded by hatred and criticism, loosing the trust of almost everybody just because she happens to have the same name as the person who started the whole thing. Christ..

Who, besides her family, is gonna offer HER relief?

In a nutshell....overreacting and too much attention whoring, the real issue is that woman's reputation who didn't have anything to do with the whole scandal.

I find it disturbing that the antiquated notion that racism is never actually directed at white people is alive and well even in this forum. And that this discrimination is actually condoned.

Double standards die hard i guess.

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