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Originally posted by Lira It kinda is. Just because English is your native language (or just because you speak a language, whatever language that is), it doesn't mean you should be able to write it properly. Men developed language hundred of thousands of years ago, whereas writing didn't exist until the Bronze Age. Writing is not a natural process, whereas talking is. So, even if you speak a language fluently, you might have had some trouble at school (either you had bad teachers or you just didn't get the gist of how writing works). There's nothing wrong about it, although you need to improve your writing skills if you want to succeed in modern society.

Ha!

What a load of bollocks.

If I can write and speak English correctly, anyone else who has also learnt the language from birth should be able to. It's not hard.

Many non-native English speakers such as the Dutch, ze Germans etc write beautiful English on the internet (it amazes me consistently actually), in some ways superior to even a good native speaking English writer. If they can, why shouldn't someone who has been doing it since birth be able to?

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Originally posted by chimera66 ...no it isn't asking too much. To clearly present my idea, would you like to correct my sentence?

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Originally posted by chimera66 I can judge people any way I want. I don't believe it is asking too much to expect someone else to know how to write correctly in his native language.

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Originally posted by Beat Blog Ha! What a load of bollocks. If I can write and speak English correctly, anyone else who has also learnt the language from birth should be able to. It's not hard. Many non-native English speakers such as the Dutch, ze Germans etc write beautiful English on the internet (it amazes me consistently actually), in some ways superior to even a good native speaking English writer. If they can, why shouldn't someone who has been doing it since birth be able to?

poor education

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Originally posted by Frenchie I still think judging someone by how they type is redonkulous.

it depends on the nature of the conversation.

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Originally posted by Beat Blog learnt

this always kills me when people use that.


guys you're making this thread into a serious one. quit that shit.

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Originally posted by inconspicuous I don't expect everyone to be able to use English properly, but those who aren't capable of such should not expect others to ignore that deficiency. I'm not advocating grammar-based hate crimes, but if I talk to someone who frequently says "me and him" or doesn't know when to use different pronunciations of "the," I make assumptions about the person's academic background and/or level of intelligence.

No, you're a fuckin grammar nazi.

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Originally posted by Beat Blog Ha! What a load of bollocks. If I can write and speak English correctly, anyone else who has also learnt the language from birth should be able to also. It's not hard. Many non-native English speakers such as the Dutch, ze Germans etc write beautiful English on the internet (it amazes me consistently actually), in some ways superior to even a good native speaking English writer. If they can, why shouldn't someone who has been doing it since birth be able to?

You wouldn't put as much effort perfecting a native language as you would perfecting a foreign language. That's because you actually have to "study" the foreign language at school, whereas you develop the ability to speak your native language naturally from birth.

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Originally posted by Omega_Blue this always kills me when people use that. guys you're making this thread into a serious one. quit that shit.

why does it kill you

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Originally posted by Frenchie No, you're a fuckin grammar nazi.

I'll take that over illiteracy.

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Originally posted by Omega_M You wouldn't put as much effort perfecting a native language as you would perfecting a foreign language. That's because you actually have to "study" the foreign language at school, but you develop the ability to speak your native language naturally from birth.

yep. It's hardly a phenomenon exclusive to English.

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Originally posted by Omega_Blue guys you're making this thread into a serious one. quit that shit.

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Originally posted by Omega_Blue this always kills me when people use that. guys you're making this thread into a serious one. quit that shit.

Why is that?

I did have some vague thought while I typed that post that in America the word "learnt" is not used? Is that correct?

Also, big question: "while" or "whilst"?

Example:

"I love Tiesto, I think he is the best DJ ever."
"While/Whilst that may be the case, he is actually a shit-kicker. Deal with it."

I shall gauge your intelligence on your answers. Type away.

i gotta go 2 sleep if i keep going on ill never get their l8r guys ps i need to end it on a good note so i think this is the one 2 end it with?

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Originally posted by inconspicuous I'll take that over illiteracy.

It's one thing to be smart, which you are, but when you KNOW someone isn't very good in the grammar depot you can give up trying to fix that.

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Originally posted by Frenchie It's one thing to be smart, which you are, but when you KNOW someone isn't very good in the grammar depot you can give up trying to fix that.

I don't correct people. I'm too young for an aneurysm. I just think to myself, "what a moran."

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Originally posted by Omega_M You wouldn't put as much effort perfecting a native language as you would perfecting a foreign language. That's because you actually have to "study" the foreign language at school, whereas you develop the ability to speak your native language naturally from birth.

Hence why you should be far better at it, you are exposed to it all year round for your whole life. It's like you're constantly studying, as opposed to the non-native speaker who has a limited amount of time to learn, and decreased exposure.

The best way to learn a language is to live in the country that it is spoken.

k bye l8r guys have fun an eat a apple before u go too sleep they will make u healthyer?

i could be retarded but i was always under the assumption that "learnt" is not a word. "learned."

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Originally posted by Beat Blog Hence why you should be far better at it, you are exposed to it all year round for your whole life. It's like you're constantly studying, as opposed to the non-native speaker who has a limited amount of time to learn, and decreased exposure. The best way to learn a language is to live in the country that it is spoken.

Nobody communicates fluently in day to day life taking care of the grammar and all. The ability to write or speak flawlessly is largely an academic skill. You develop the ability only if you study the language rigorously as a subject.

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Originally posted by Omega_Blue i could be retarded but i was always under the assumption that "learnt" is not a word. "learned."

"Learned" = An adjective to described a well educated person. "The professor is well learned in the subject of grammar".

"Learnt" = A verb to describe learning a certain fact in the past "He learnt that his grammar was incorrect".

However, a little research reveals that, in American English, "learned" is in fact correct to use in both cases.

http://www.askoxford.com/asktheexpe...spelling/learnt

Just another example of America changing the rules of the English language to suit themselves.

It's ironic, some of you Americans in this thread are sticklers for spelling and/or grammar, yet the butcherig of the English language is completely and utterly ingrained in your whole country!

There's probably a whole lot of words you spell incorrectly (anywhere but America anyway) that you don't even know about...

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Originally posted by Omega_M Nobody communicates fluently in day to day life taking care of the grammar and all. The ability to write or speak flawlessly is largely an academic skill. You develop the ability only if you study the language rigorously as a subject.

What, so you didn't learn in grade 3 that "you're" is the incorrect way to describe a person's possession?

I'm talking about basic grammar and punctuation here, not expecting people to know the Latin root for the word etc.

its/it's
you're/your
people's/peoples'
there/their/they're

Not hard.

We all make occasional mistakes, and that's fine, but people consistently do this shit, even "highly educated" people. It's a joke.

I think people get too used to writing things informally/incorrectly and begin writing badly everywhere else. After reading first drafts, I volunteered to edit my group's entire research paper last semester. Seriously, people a couple weeks away from a masters degree from NYU some of which have undergraduate degrees from top schools (ie USC) and their writing was full of simple mistakes...if you ask me that's ridiculous and unacceptable.

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Originally posted by inconspicuous

fixed

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Originally posted by Beat Blog What, so you didn't learn in grade 3 that "you're" is the incorrect way to describe a person's possession? I'm talking about basic grammar and punctuation here, not expecting people to know the Latin root for the word etc. its/it's you're/your people's/peoples' there/their/they're Not hard. We all make occasional mistakes, and that's fine, but people consistently do this shit, even "highly educated" people. It's a joke.

That's pretty much the first thing they teach you when you take english as a second language.

lol wtf how did this thread get so big?

I propose that we take away contractions from those who do not have the necessary mental power to use them, just like we take away cars from bad drivers.



They would get stuck typing "you are" all day instead of "you're". The extra keystroke required would eventually wear them down after many years, and end in a spectacular case of carpal tunnel syndrome! MUHAHAHAHAHA!!!

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