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Originally posted by atbell They share a bigger boarder with Iraq then Iran does and it is clearly in thier intrest to see a Saudi friendly administration in Iraq.

Good! I really hope to see a Saudi friendly administration and not an Iranian friendly one.

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Originally posted by LazFX That would be a blessing....the country music that is

I'm not too keen on Country either. Most of the ballads sound like they're either super cheesy 1970s love songs, or songs about being in jail, driving a truck, and cheating on your 5th wife.
The upbeat songs seem to be stuck in 1950s Rock N Roll.

Still, lots of people around the world enjoy this music. Carrie Underwood's music is played on Top 40 stations all over the country. There are worse things to listen to I suppose.

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Oh, by the way, I think it's also worth pointing out that Ahmadinejad isn't really the leader of Iran that we should be focusing on: Not that it matters much when we INVADE!!!!!!! INVADE, DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!!!! INVADE!!!!!!!!!!!!! And you're next, Hugo. Watch your back, bitch.

SHHHHH!!!

Don't talk about Hugo.
George will step in here and we'll have another 100 page thread goin' on...

Funny how everyone how much of a big Issue the whole gay marrige is in American politics but yet they go after Iran and bash them for their reactions and beliefs towards gays.
The whole idea of homosexuality is banned in alot of countries in this world.Pakistan,Saudi Arabia etc why isnt anyone going after those countries and see the shit they do to homosexuals there?

If you think Iran is the only country that has issues with gays then you are truly blind.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer Funny how everyone how much of a big Issue the whole gay marrige is in American politics but yet they go after Iran and bash them for their reactions and beliefs towards gays. The whole idea of homosexuality is banned in alot of countries in this world.Pakistan,Saudi Arabia etc why isnt anyone going after those countries and see the shit they do to homosexuals there? If you think Iran is the only country that has issues with gays then you are truly blind.

coz there's a big fucking difference between preventing marriage between homosexual men and hanging them from the gallows. surely you don't fail to see that?

and the issue is because none of those leaders are currently talking at columbia university. come on, a little perspective please.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN coz there's a big fucking difference between preventing marriage between homosexual men and hanging them from the gallows. surely you don't fail to see that?

All Iam saying is that human right violations happens everywhere but it seems like Iran is the worst of them all.

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and the issue is because none of those leaders are currently talking at columbia university. come on, a little perspective please.

True,too bad you wont see any other leader going to universities.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer All Iam saying is that human right violations happens everywhere but it seems like Iran is the worst of them all.

i dunno man, murdering a 16 year old girl because she was raped seems pretty harsh to me.

atefah sahaaleh

perhaps the anger should be expressed across a wider platform of countries, but there's certainly reason enough to single iran out for their crimes against humanity.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN coz there's a big fucking difference between preventing marriage between homosexual men and hanging them from the gallows. surely you don't fail to see that?

Appearantly you can find more Iranian gay men in clubs in New York or Amsterdam then you can find in all of Iran. How odd...

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN i dunno man, murdering a 16 year old girl because she was raped seems pretty harsh to me. atefah sahaaleh perhaps the anger should be expressed across a wider platform of countries, but there's certainly reason enough to single iran out for their crimes against humanity.

Damnn, we need to bring that judge who gave her the death penalty here. I propose we let the Village People rape him for a few days (while singing "YMCA"), then publicly execute him.

I mean, we have soooo much to learn from the Iranian judicial justice system.

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Originally posted by CHRles I mean, we have soooo much to learn from the Iranian judicial justice system.

your judicial justice system is laughable.

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Mr. Ahmadinejad began: �At the outset, I want to complain a bit about the person who read this political statement against me. In Iran, tradition requires that when we invite a person to be a speaker, we actually respect our students and the professors by allowing them to make their own judgment and we don�t think it�s necessary before the speech is even given to come in with a series of claims�� The room erupted in applause. Mr. Ahmadinejad added: ��and to attempt to provide a vaccination of sorts to our faculty and students. The text, more than addressing me, was an insult to the audience here. In a university environment, we must allow people to speak their mind, to allow everyone to talk, so that the truth is eventually revealed by all.�

I'm sorry, but whether you love him or hate him, he was dead right on this. Mr. Bollinger really insulted the audience by telling them what to believe before the guest speaker even took the stage. It's the popular criticism of the media and it does not belong anywhere near an academic setting where the free exchange of ideas, however controversial or wrong they may be, is the rule and not the exception.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov I'm sorry, but whether you love him or hate him, he was dead right on this. Mr. Bollinger really insulted the audience by telling them what to believe before the guest speaker even took the stage. It's the popular criticism of the media and it does not belong anywhere near an academic setting where the free exchange of ideas, however controversial or wrong they may be, is the rule and not the exception.

Yeah, how dare they. Columbia is only one of the most renowned universities on the planet. How can this be? LOL
Columbia is considered to be a very liberal academic setting, so if even the president of such an institution insinuates such things, chances are most scholars at other prestigious universities feel the same way.
Columbia's president called him (the guest speaker) out rightfully so the same way he would a member of the KKK, or if a dictator like Idi Amin was there.

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Originally posted by CHRles Yeah, how dare they. Columbia is only one of the most renowned universities on the planet. How can this be? LOL Columbia is considered to be a very liberal academic setting, so if even the president of such an institution insinuates such things, chances are most scholars at other prestigious universities feel the same way. Columbia's president called him (the guest speaker) out rightfully so the same way he would a member of the KKK, or if a dictator like Idi Amin was there.

you sound like someone that has never benefited from higher education. Lebezniatnikov (and Ahmadinejad) is completely correct in his assessment.

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Originally posted by CHRles Yeah, how dare they. Columbia is only one of the most renowned universities on the planet. How can this be? LOL

Precisely why it is upsetting that their President spat in the face of such a reputation.

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Columbia is considered to be a very liberal academic setting, so if even the president of such an institution insinuates such things, chances are most scholars at other prestigious universities feel the same way.

I don't follow. First, I'm not so sure that SIPA is such a liberal school. As I'm currently in a similar International Affairs masters program, I can think of several other programs I would classify as more liberal. And second, I don't even see how that is relevant at all. The President of the University does not reflect an academic program's content or the political leanings of its students (or faculty).

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Columbia's president called him (the guest speaker) out rightfully so the same way he would a member of the KKK, or if a dictator like Idi Amin was there.

Haha, this one made me chuckle. Idi Amin was widely lauded in the West for years. And comparing the respect due an elected leader of a sovereign nation (even one not on your travel list) to an organization like the KKK is just ignorant.

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Originally posted by CHRles Columbia's president called him (the guest speaker) out rightfully so the same way he would a member of the KKK, or if a dictator like Idi Amin was there.

wow so now you are comparing him to the KKK?whats next?

the comparison to the KKK is valid b/c of Iran's stance on homosexuality, just as a KKK member would talk about white supremacy.

Columbia, like all the ivy leagues and most major unversities leans more liberal/democrat then republican. The notion that only Republicans feel a certain way about Iran and its leaders is simply not true. That's what I was trying to say.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN you sound like someone that has never benefited from higher education. Lebezniatnikov (and Ahmadinejad) is completely correct in his assessment.

And yet, I'm already working on a Masters. As I've stated in another post, my first degree was from a university in FL, and as most ppl on this forum know my political leanings tilt more on the left.

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Originally posted by CHRles the comparison to the KKK is valid b/c of Iran's stance on homosexuality, just as a KKK member would talk about white supremacy.

Baloney. That's a logical fallacy. Finding one common denominator does not equate the two in any way or form. It's like saying that because monkeys and starfish are both living things, they must be exactly the same, and equally boring.

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Columbia, like all the ivy leagues and most major unversities leans more liberal/democrat then republican. The notion that only Republicans feel a certain way about Iran and its leaders is simply not true. That's what I was trying to say.

And like I said, the position of the President of a university has very little to do with the traditional political leanings of said institution. And it doesn't matter. What he said was still stupid and counterproductive. It was tantamount to baiting Ahmadenijad and insulting to the audience.

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Originally posted by LazFX That would be a blessing....the country music that is

You'd be surprised where Country music is popular.
For example, one of the highest rated stations in Tampa plays Country, and the other Country station also seems to fair well:
http://www.radioandrecords.com/RRRa...10/19/2007&CE=0

Or in some place like San Diego:
http://www.radioandrecords.com/RRRa...10/16/2007&CE=0

Or over in Seattlehttp://www.radioandrecords.com/RRRa...10/19/2007&CE=0

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov It was tantamount to baiting Ahmadenijad and insulting to the audience.

It was soooo insulting that most of the audience cheered on Columbia's University president and clapped their hands.

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Originally posted by CHRles It was soooo insulting that most of the audience cheered on Columbia's University president and clapped their hands.

Again. That's a logical fallacy. Whether or not people agreed with what he said has nothing to do with whether or not it was insulting. And you're carefully neglecting to note that Ahmadenijad was applauded equally loudly for immediately calling out Mr. Bollinger for his lack of academic integrity.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer wow so now you are comparing him to the KKK?whats next?

Both are bad, but he's worse than the KKK and here's why: the KKK are largely underground, and don't lynch unless they're expecting swift, severe remifications. On the contrary, it appears that Pres Ahmadblowjob's country openly allows gays to be hung with NO ramifications.

I would equate Iranian's current president to Adolf Hitler because both attempt to "clense" their country by executing an entire group of people.

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Originally posted by CHRles Appearantly you can find more Iranian gay men in clubs in New York or Amsterdam then you can find in all of Iran. How odd...

There's a huge group of Iranian gays (a lot of them Jews too) out here in LA. They're really stuck up, but funny as hell at the same time. I'm glad they escaped Iranian persecution.

Hitler on the �peace image� in secret address to German press (November 1938):

�Circumstances have compelled me to speak for decades almost solely of peace. Only through continued emphasis on the German desire for peace and intentions of peace was it possible for me�to provide the German people with the armaments which were always necessary as the basis of the next step. It goes without saying that such a peace propaganda which has been cultivated for years also has its doubtful side; for it can only too easily lead to the view being formed in the minds of many people that the present regime identifies with the determination and the will to maintain peace under all circumstances.�

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Originally posted by Q5echo Hitler on the �peace image� in secret address to German press (November 1938):

How is an address to the press a "secret"?

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Revealed: Israel plans nuclear strike on Iran Uzi Mahnaimi, New York and Sarah Baxter, Washington ISRAEL has drawn up secret plans to destroy Iran�s uranium enrichment facilities with tactical nuclear weapons. Two Israeli air force squadrons are training to blow up an Iranian facility using low-yield nuclear �bunker-busters�, according to several Israeli military sources. The attack would be the first with nuclear weapons since 1945, when the United States dropped atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The Israeli weapons would each have a force equivalent to one-fifteenth of the Hiroshima bomb. Under the plans, conventional laser-guided bombs would open �tunnels� into the targets. �Mini-nukes� would then immediately be fired into a plant at Natanz, exploding deep underground to reduce the risk of radioactive fallout. �As soon as the green light is given, it will be one mission, one strike and the Iranian nuclear project will be demolished,� said one of the sources. The plans, disclosed to The Sunday Times last week, have been prompted in part by the Israeli intelligence service Mossad�s assessment that Iran is on the verge of producing enough enriched uranium to make nuclear weapons within two years. Israeli military commanders believe conventional strikes may no longer be enough to annihilate increasingly well-defended enrichment facilities. Several have been built beneath at least 70ft of concrete and rock. However, the nuclear-tipped bunker-busters would be used only if a conventional attack was ruled out and if the United States declined to intervene, senior sources said. Israeli and American officials have met several times to consider military action. Military analysts said the disclosure of the plans could be intended to put pressure on Tehran to halt enrichment, cajole America into action or soften up world opinion in advance of an Israeli attack. Some analysts warned that Iranian retaliation for such a strike could range from disruption of oil supplies to the West to terrorist attacks against Jewish targets around the world. Israel has identified three prime targets south of Tehran which are believed to be involved in Iran�s nuclear programme: Natanz, where thousands of centrifuges are being installed for uranium enrichment A uranium conversion facility near Isfahan where, according to a statement by an Iranian vice-president last week, 250 tons of gas for the enrichment process have been stored in tunnels A heavy water reactor at Arak, which may in future produce enough plutonium for a bomb Israeli officials believe that destroying all three sites would delay Iran�s nuclear programme indefinitely and prevent them from having to live in fear of a �second Holocaust�. The Israeli government has warned repeatedly that it will never allow nuclear weapons to be made in Iran, whose president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, has declared that �Israel must be wiped off the map�. Robert Gates, the new US defence secretary, has described military action against Iran as a �last resort�, leading Israeli officials to conclude that it will be left to them to strike. Israeli pilots have flown to Gibraltar in recent weeks to train for the 2,000-mile round trip to the Iranian targets. Three possible routes have been mapped out, including one over Turkey. Air force squadrons based at Hatzerim in the Negev desert and Tel Nof, south of Tel Aviv, have trained to use Israel�s tactical nuclear weapons on the mission. The preparations have been overseen by Major General Eliezer Shkedi, commander of the Israeli air force. Sources close to the Pentagon said the United States was highly unlikely to give approval for tactical nuclear weapons to be used. One source said Israel would have to seek approval �after the event�, as it did when it crippled Iraq�s nuclear reactor at Osirak with airstrikes in 1981. Scientists have calculated that although contamination from the bunker-busters could be limited, tons of radioactive uranium compounds would be released. The Israelis believe that Iran�s retaliation would be constrained by fear of a second strike if it were to launch its Shehab-3 ballistic missiles at Israel. However, American experts warned of repercussions, including widespread protests that could destabilise parts of the Islamic world friendly to the West. Colonel Sam Gardiner, a Pentagon adviser, said Iran could try to close the Strait of Hormuz, the route for 20% of the world�s oil. Some sources in Washington said they doubted if Israel would have the nerve to attack Iran. However, Dr Ephraim Sneh, the deputy Israeli defence minister, said last month: �The time is approaching when Israel and the international community will have to decide whether to take military action against Iran.�

Souce: TimesOnline

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