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Originally posted by SuperJimbo Regardless, you may be right. Are you predicting a back-to-back with Lawler in the coming months? lol

lol or how about CL and Dj Dan tour together and call it the "bad publicity TOUR"

haha i'm sure someone can come up with better...

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Originally posted by TheVrk I'm just glad DJ Mag had the balls to come out with this

Well it's publicity for them too, what do they care about DJ Dan and CL. lol

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Originally posted by TranceGrooves Yeah... welcome to TRANCEaddict.com where everyone listens to HOUSE and if you like trance or play Trance you SUCK!!

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Originally posted by Dark_Archonis This also explains A LOT as to why I would always see obscure DJs I've never heard of in the Top 20.

1 Paul Van Dyke
2 Armin Van Buuren
3 Tiesto
4 DJ Dan
5 Christopher Lawrence
6 Ferry Corsten
7 Sasha
8 John Digweed
9 Above & Beyond
10 Deep Dish
11 Carl Cox
12 Infected Mushroom
13 ATB
14 Paul Oakenfold
15 Hernan Cattaneo
16 Judge Jules
17 Eddie Halliwell
18 Marco V
19 Markus Schulz
20 Gabriel & Dresden

Obscure DJ's you've never heard of? All these DJs are extremely popular all over the world, you probably havn't heard of them yet, but they all (well most of them besides the #4 and #5 spots) earned their spots.

Hahaha, I remember getting this myspace message:

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Date: Sep 25, 2007 4:27 PM Flag as Spam or Report Abuse [ ? ] Subject: Message from Christopher Lawrence Body: Hello, You are receiving this message because you signed up as my Friend. As you may know, DJ Magazine's annual Top 100 Poll is open. Love it or loathe it, the Top 100 has become one of the most important and talked about events in the global dance community. Thanks to my Friends on MySpace, I placed at #4 in the Top 100 last year. If you have enjoyed my music this year, I would appreciate your vote again this year. The Top 100 is closing today, so now is the time to vote if you haven't already! Click Here to Vote. I would also urge you to consider other DJs whose music has moved you. This is your opportunity, as a dance music fan, to make your voice heard. Thank you. Christopher Lawrence

I guess he really wanted those votes! kekekeke

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Originally posted by me@t k@tie Hahaha, I remember getting this myspace message: I guess he really wanted those votes! kekekeke

lol
i think all dj's spammed their friends :P

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Originally posted by me@t k@tie Hahaha, I remember getting this myspace message: I guess he really wanted those votes! kekekeke

I got that msg too LOL.

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Originally posted by me@t k@tie kekekeke

Wtf is that?

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Originally posted by jon jon lol or how about CL and Dj Dan tour together and call it the "bad publicity TOUR"

The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels Tour FTW!!!!!!!

what they really need to is investigate on Tiesto making 1 for 3 damn years

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Originally posted by Chris Allen Wtf is that?

:<

Well that sucks cause I voted for DJ Dan this year and last. Its too bad that he is taking the rip for what this guy did. Dan you are still in my top five.

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Originally posted by Invasionmix 1 Paul Van Dyke 2 Armin Van Buuren 3 Tiesto 4 DJ Dan 5 Christopher Lawrence 6 Ferry Corsten 7 Sasha 8 John Digweed 9 Above & Beyond 10 Deep Dish 11 Carl Cox 12 Infected Mushroom 13 ATB 14 Paul Oakenfold 15 Hernan Cattaneo 16 Judge Jules 17 Eddie Halliwell 18 Marco V 19 Markus Schulz 20 Gabriel & Dresden Obscure DJ's you've never heard of? All these DJs are extremely popular all over the world, you probably havn't heard of them yet, but they all (well most of them besides the #4 and #5 spots) earned their spots.

DJ Dan is not "extremely" popular all over the world and waaayyy out of his league on that list, CL to some extent as well. That was evident w/o any DJ Mag investigation.

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Originally posted by SuperJimbo Regardless, even if they didn't know, I think they should be held accountable. Such is life when sh*t goes down on your watch.

Strange, that's not how it works in any other industry.

Mine is IT. A simple example is if the CTO or one of the sysadmins decides to use bootleg software instead of licensing it legally. It's only the CEO's responsibility if there's clear evidence that he was advised of what was going on and what the consequences were. Some shadier CEOs try to maneuver themselves into a plausible deniability situation, and any IT professional worth his salt is always very careful to leave an e-mail trail because he knows he'll be the one liable if CAST comes sniffing.

SEOs do all sorts of dirty tricks to boost search engine rankings. A lot of them are against the TOS or just downright illegal. The people who hired them are not liable because the SEOs never actually tell anyone what they do.

Christopher Lawrence could probably never legitimately score in the top 10 in a popularity contest, that's true, but he's always been reasonably high on the top 100, and I think he's earned at least that much legitimately. Almost every kind of marketing is a little bit shady, a little bit on the weasel side to begin with, so Christopher Lawrence might have been suspicious, but his marketing manager could have offered any number of unlikely but plausible excuses: sock puppets, spam, sex, free beer, whatever. Really good marketing can do all sorts of seemingly-impossible things.

The reality is that people generally aren't liable for things that happen "on their watch", legally or morally, unless their own responsibilities specifically include... well, watching those things. In my IT example for instance, if one of the grunts installs pirated software or uses the mail server to send out spam, the responsibility does generally fall to the CTO because it's his job to stay on top of this. But it doesn't extend further, all the way to the CEO, because the CEO has no involvement whatsoever in that aspect of the business. Same if one of the accountants is cooking the books. If the accountant was stupid and didn't leave any sort of a paper trail to the CEO, then it's the accountant who takes the heat.

DJ Dan and Christopher Lawrence probably have very little involvement in their marketing managers' day-to-day activities. I know that if I were in their position, I wouldn't really give a flying fuck what he was doing to get me contracts, as long as he was getting me contracts. I'd obviously fire him if I found out that he was doing anything sketchy - and that's exactly what the DJs did.

Surely if the DJs authorized it, then this guy would have been careful enough to get it in writing?

^ excellent post, Digi

wow, I think this is officially the first time I agree with you!

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Originally posted by DigiNut DJ Dan and Christopher Lawrence probably have very little involvement in their marketing managers' day-to-day activities. I know that if I were in their position, I wouldn't really give a flying fuck what he was doing to get me contracts, as long as he was getting me contracts. I'd obviously fire him if I found out that he was doing anything sketchy - and that's exactly what the DJs did. Surely if the DJs authorized it, then this guy would have been careful enough to get it in writing?

it could be that they both had little involvement in this but it's kinda weird that dj dan himself wasn't surprised how he got to #5 from #24 in one year (staying on the same spot from the previous year) and having almost no accomplishments throughout that time to deserve such a jump.

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Originally posted by geroin

yeah and same goes for christopher lawrence.. all of a sudden a guy who doesnt even get invited to tranceenergy any year/hasnt produced anything period (no really he hasnt even produced -a- track in 2 years) gets top 4 on djmag and he doesnt recognize something is up and so what.. just smiles an nods and pretends luck/friends/myspace on his side..hm

I have an idea ... someone pay that Japanese guy to rig Tiesto's numbers so that Tiesto can get kicked off the DJ Mag list for the fun of it (especially good for the people who dont like him) !

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Originally posted by Scoops anyone who uses this poll to base DJs on their skills needs to take a step back, shut off the computer and walk their ass backwards into on coming traffic These polls are nothing more then marketing tools and just cuz a DJ dropps a few spots doesn't mean his stock is goin to go down nor does it mean that his booking fee is going to go down. Look at Jonathan Peters and his DJ times award for best DJ in American in 2006. Is JP really better then DT. Fuck NO but he did get more gigs out of it including a headling spot at Space during WMC and Rehab in Vegas. But it kinda backfired on him cuz he got boo'd off both times

Gee, thanks. Didn't we come to this conclusion 7 years ago? lol

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Originally posted by robbiej yeah and same goes for christopher lawrence.. all of a sudden a guy who doesnt even get invited to tranceenergy any year/hasnt produced anything period (no really he hasnt even produced -a- track in 2 years) gets top 4 on djmag and he doesnt recognize something is up and so what.. just smiles an nods and pretends luck/friends/myspace on his side..hm

WOW.... just, fuck.....


I really, really hope that you're joking.

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Originally posted by SPANIARD WOW.... just, fuck..... I really, really hope that you're joking.

just laugh it off Ben ... even if he is not joking

hahahaha

Nice Post Digi

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Originally posted by SPANIARD WOW.... just, fuck..... I really, really hope that you're joking.

no.. im not joking .. at all...

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Originally posted by geroin it could be that they both had little involvement in this but it's kinda weird that dj dan himself wasn't surprised how he got to #5 from #24 in one year (staying on the same spot from the previous year) and having almost no accomplishments throughout that time to deserve such a jump.

It's not an issue of whether or not they were surprised. Maybe they were both completely incredulous. If they didn't know exactly what was done, though, and they hadn't been presented with any direct evidence of foul play on their behalf, then what were they supposed to do? Call up DJ Mag and say "Hey, I don't think I really deserved the #5 spot, could you please knock it down a few places?"

Due dilligence would, perhaps, be getting the suspect (in this case, the marketing manager) to state on record, preferably in writing, what specific actions they took leading up to that conclusion. Or if that's confidential/protected by contract, then at least to state on record that there was no wrongdoing of any kind in their belief. But even if both DJs had done that, it's just a CYA move, it would help in a court case if something truly illegal had been done but I doubt that it would have convinced anyone here of their good intentions.

And assuming they knew this much (they're probably reasonably smart guys to get this far), then as long as there was no risk of getting sued (there wasn't), it would have seemed pointless to pursue the matter.

Let's work with a simpler example. Let's say that you made an assload of long-distance calls on your cell phone, or watched a ton of pay movies on cable, but at the end of the month, instead of a gigantic bill, you ended up with a $20 credit. How long do you think it would take for you to rationalize this and convince yourself that you either won some prize, or somebody had just made a clerical error on your bill? Under normal circumstances, do you think the thought would even cross your mind that someone hacked into the system and changed your bill, or maybe called a CS rep and gave them a cock-and-bull story?

When you trust someone, such as a friend or business partner or, yes, a manager or contractor - you generally don't assume that they're doing anything dishonest unless they give you a significant reason to believe otherwise and are unable to offer a plausible explanation.

Maybe that's exactly what happened here. But I don't know that, and neither do you.

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur What sort of regulatory body would do the banning anyway? The World Association of Honest DJs and Promoters?

BWAHAHA

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Originally posted by TranceGrooves LMAO ..... my friend it will really help if you did some research about what you type here In last 2 years CL has had 3 tracks and 2 CD releases. Currently he is working on Tracks with Joof and is also starting to tour with Joof. As of recent check out his Atlanta gig coming up. In addition CL has played Love Fest WMC DV Burning Man and many other HUGE events. He is also been hand picked by Ferry Corsten to play his event in Holland this year. Your opinion is your opinion ... no body is telling you to stop saying what you wanna say but dont get all hyper if we have a opinion about your opinion. As for him playing tracks that are 2-3 years old??? again you dont have to go far ... visit the TL forum and then check out beatport and see what tracks were released when CL has been in TO atleast 4 or 5 times in past 2 years and each time he has put on a solid performance. you can do a search of the reviews from his parties

PWNED!

H4X

i dont think they knew what happened and i feel bad for both of them, especially lawerence since i like his music.

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