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Posted by Clovis on Nov-14-2007 22:06:

quote:
Originally posted by l�cid



I dunno whether thats epic fail or epic win, but A+ for effort!


Posted by Brandon H. on Nov-14-2007 22:09:

TA is dead


Posted by l�cid on Nov-14-2007 22:14:

quote:
Originally posted by Clovis
I dunno whether thats epic fail or epic win, but A+ for effort!

epic fail, for sure. that was kind of the point.


Posted by SYSTEM-J on Nov-15-2007 00:33:

quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
And I was pointing out that argument has been done to death and is pretty pointless.


It isn't pointless. Listen to a dub track on laptop speakers with no bass. Listen to a love song when you're in a turbulent break-up. Context is hugely important to music, and that includes the equipment you listen to it on. Hell, context is a key part of being a good DJ. Dismissing the argument out of hand is wrong, because there must be a good reason why context doesn't matter, which you haven't yet stated.


Posted by bobba lou on Nov-15-2007 00:46:

quote:
Originally posted by RJT
A few answers to both (in no particular order):
Minilogue


They dont dj but do a great live pa. Their USA tour just got the ax due to unrealistic rider issues.

quote:
Originally posted by RJT
Gui Boratt

live pa as well. He was pretty good at DEMF 07

quote:
Originally posted by RJT
Pier Bucci


live pa.

quote:
Originally posted by RJT
John Patterson..punisher



I give them both props.. Johns a good guy.


Posted by Clovis on Nov-15-2007 01:05:

So apparently that was NOT Jason.


Posted by HaeD on Nov-15-2007 03:09:

quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
It isn't pointless. Listen to a dub track on laptop speakers with no bass. Listen to a love song when you're in a turbulent break-up. Context is hugely important to music, and that includes the equipment you listen to it on. Hell, context is a key part of being a good DJ. Dismissing the argument out of hand is wrong, because there must be a good reason why context doesn't matter, which you haven't yet stated.


context doesn't matter when you conceptualize music. And the sound system isn't a good argument since my home sound system is better than many club.


Posted by jupiterone on Nov-15-2007 03:25:

quote:
Originally posted by HaeD
context doesn't matter when you conceptualize music. And the sound system isn't a good argument since my home sound system is better than many club.



usureboutthat?


Posted by HaeD on Nov-15-2007 03:26:

no. but it's really close without drug.


Posted by HaeD on Nov-15-2007 03:33:

and it's all about knob position not the sound system.


Posted by Ted Promo on Nov-15-2007 03:38:

This thread makes me want macaroni and cheese with a seriousness.


Posted by Az on Nov-15-2007 03:39:

in short
dubfire is shit
deep dish were shit
anyone who plays any of dubfire's latest offerings is shit and unimaginative, there's a gajillion other, better records,
that includes mashing ribcage up with several other tracks cos it's such a great tool, man.
you're the tool


Posted by lolsauce on Nov-15-2007 03:59:

The only thing funnier than Rjt seemingly thinking I'm ANF is the fact that for a so called music connasisseur many of the Dj's he named in this thread don't actually Dj at all. You don't get out much do you.


Posted by Paradox Lost on Nov-15-2007 04:10:

quote:
Originally posted by HaeD And the sound system isn't a good argument since my home sound system is better than many club.


The difference is far more apparent on the lower-end spectrum of audio quality. I've sampled a bunch of tracks on Beatport on my tinny laptop speakers that sounded not even worth the listen, until I plugged in my desktop speakers and brought those tracks to life.

I'm not suggesting this is always necessary, but there is something to be said for the potential for a quality sound system to accentuate both the positives and deficiencies of a track, enabling you to develop a better informed opinion.


Posted by HaeD on Nov-15-2007 04:17:

quote:
Originally posted by Paradox Lost
I'm not suggesting this is always necessary, but there is something to be said for the potential for a quality sound system to accentuate both the positives and deficiencies of a track, enabling you to develop a better informed opinion.


You are totally right but there is absolutely no need for a club sound system to do so. A good sound system is all you need.


Posted by UWM on Nov-15-2007 04:26:

Quite an entertaining read, this.


Posted by jupiterone on Nov-15-2007 04:27:

quote:
Originally posted by lolsauce
The only thing funnier than Rjt seemingly thinking I'm ANF is the fact that for a so called music connasisseur many of the Dj's he named in this thread don't actually Dj at all. You don't get out much do you.


You really do have a fetish for Rob dont you?


Posted by Clovis on Nov-15-2007 05:13:

quote:
Originally posted by Az
in short
dubfire is shit
deep dish were shit
anyone who plays any of dubfire's latest offerings is shit and unimaginative, there's a gajillion other, better records,
that includes mashing ribcage up with several other tracks cos it's such a great tool, man.
you're the tool



For any track you decide to play theres always a gajillion other records you could have played...whats the point?


Posted by Alex on Nov-15-2007 05:30:

"Emissions" is such a piece of shit, I hope the mau5 remixes it just so dubfire's original gets bumped the fuck out of the top10.


Posted by jupiterone on Nov-15-2007 05:30:

quote:
Originally posted by Az
in short
dubfire is shit
deep dish were shit
anyone who plays any of dubfire's latest offerings is shit and unimaginative, there's a gajillion other, better records,
that includes mashing ribcage up with several other tracks cos it's such a great tool, man.
you're the tool


I don't get the big deal...

If someone likes the record then fucking play it. I don't see why everyone has to check reviews for a track in order to feel comfortable playing it.

This is really getting quite ridiculous.


Posted by Yuris on Nov-15-2007 06:59:

Chumbawamba - TubThumping (Dubfire Remix)

fucking awesome track!!

his remix is American Gladiators theme intro is also fantastic.


Posted by Mr.Mystery on Nov-15-2007 09:22:

quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
It isn't pointless. Listen to a dub track on laptop speakers with no bass. Listen to a love song when you're in a turbulent break-up. Context is hugely important to music, and that includes the equipment you listen to it on. Hell, context is a key part of being a good DJ. Dismissing the argument out of hand is wrong, because there must be a good reason why context doesn't matter, which you haven't yet stated.

Context matters in the sense that a DJ has to find tracks that work in a club at that specific time. It doesn't make the tracks good.

Many a time I've heard something I thought was amazing in a club, then get home and get that track only to find it's awful. And/or hear it again in a club on a different night and it just doesn't sound good at all. If a track only works in a certain context it's not a very good track.

I'm only speaking generally here, btw, I can't remember hearing any of Dubfire's solo works.


Posted by Paradox Lost on Nov-15-2007 09:32:

True, but I think the argument here is directed towards those who would be dismissive of context in general. Although listening to music is never really independent of context, a certain context can contribute greatly to a sense of appreciation and meaning, as well as make the listening experience less enjoyable.

But this conversation is extending too far into the issue of 'context,' as it originally just concerned the differences between listening to a track on a club system as opposed to in a bedroom or car.


Posted by nefardec on Nov-15-2007 09:38:

quote:
If a track only works in a certain context it's not a very good track.


Not sure if I agree with that. I think people make music with an idea about context.

So according to you, how many contexts does a track need to have to be "good".

I propose the following system:

----------------------------------------------------
GOODNESS OF TRACK BASED ON CONTEXT IN WHICH IT WORKS
----------------------------------------------------

0 - Shit
ONLY IN A CERTAIN CONTEXT - Not A Very Good Track
2 - not a good track
3 - acceptable level of track
4 - a good track
5 - a very good track
6 - quite a good track
7 - a rather good track
8 - a noteworthy track
9 - a great track
10 - a sick track
11 - a classic track
12 - a Mr.Mystery track
14 - the body of christ


Posted by Mr.Mystery on Nov-15-2007 09:39:

quote:
Originally posted by Paradox Lost
True, but I think the argument here is directed towards those who would be dismissive of context in general. I suppose in theory, music is never independent of context (though that is a discussion for a different time and a different forum), but a certain context can contribute greatly to a sense of appreciation and meaning, as well as make the listening experience less enjoyable.

But this conversation is extending too far into the issue of 'context,' as it originally just concerned the differences between listening to a track on a club system as opposed to in a bedroom or car.

Agreed, maybe we should just leave it at that.


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