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Originally posted by Djsketchbag Plus Dj's get paid tones of money for live shows they should consider their tracks as a promotial tool for people to come out to their shows to see them play live.

This comment has been made many times, not just by you Peter.

I must ask:

Though it's not common, there are many producers out there who DON'T DJ! . . .

So what for these producers now, based on that comment?? Since they don't DJ, I guess they're just FUCKED, eh, based on that logic!


They aren't doing shows and making money from that avenue -- producing and selling tunes is their only job, how they make their livings.

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Originally posted by Porky but here's another example laura. as a pvd fan i used to travel around to diff gigs to see him spin. as a fan who donwloaded his music for free, i repaid my respects by attending alot of his shows and buying his CDs.

Just bc you support someone (a DJ) by paying cover at a club when he or she is touring, doesn't earn you the right to steal from him or her in another way!

Spending money on one aspect of what a person does does not entitle some one to steal from the same person in another asect! One doesn't justify the other. That's a ridiculous way to look at things.

I know it realitionalizes things in your head, but that doesn't make it any more "right" in reality.

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Originally posted by Chris Allen Since when was it your right to get music for free?

This pretty much sums up my feelings.

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Originally posted by Orko DJ's play a variety of music, from a large variety of artists. When you say you want to download the tracks for free, then go and see them live, you are no supporting everybody. Lets take the PVD example that Porky presented. The problem with your example is that he does not play all his own music. You go out, download a set, or some songs that he plays. Then you go see him live and he gets paid. What about all those artists that helped to make his show a success? PVD pays for his music (sometimes), and each artist gets paid once from him buying one copy of that record. By paying PVD for his performance, you are not neccessarily supporting each and every artist. What if you downloaded a song, that he didn't even play when you see him live? DJs and radio are able to and allowed to play the music they bought, because it is supposed to be a promo tool. You go hear it, and go buy it. You do not get to hear it and then keep it. The majority of artists which make up the scene will never get to tour, because they do not have enough material, nor do they DJ. It is just crazy to expect every artist to also DJ. Some of them do not have the skills, nor the drive to do so. And some just plain do not have the resources, because they put them into producing. Please stop bringing up Radiohead, Trent Reznor, and Prince. Those guys are massive, with huge followings, and a substantial amount of resources behind them. They can run it as a business. Take a hit on the album, and marketing, but make it back in touring. One thing to remember, the people seeing their show, would probably have seen the show if the new albums was released or not.

Good fucking post, Bobby, and excellent points.

The people in this thread who think they have a right to steal copyrighted music make me so angry. You are cheap and pathetic.

Good for you Steve. I give the man credit for standing up for his living. It is not his fault that the system is breaking apart, yet he only has this system to work with. Maybe a new distribution system needs to be thought up. I don't think it is too much to ask, a DJ asking to be paid for what he has created. I just bought his double cd, wow great, love his productions. Guess what I paid $45.86. As much as possible I support DJs I like. I will buy more from him also. I don't know about most people on this board or around the world, but I like to get paid by my boss for work rendered. I would not be able to volunteer all my time to the company I am working for. I have bills to pay just like anyone else. It would be great to have enough money to offer my services for free, but right now it is not realistic. Why should DJ's be asked to do so. It should be their right to choose so, not forced upon them.

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Originally posted by jon jon Agreed. I mean fuck, 9/10 of my favourite producers don't DJ. Two totally different industries.

I think it was Jayx1 who mentioned that in the past few years more and more artists have started to DJ to supplement their income. That is not what I personally want from this scene. I want to see people who want to DJ, not have to.

When we talk about artists being able to actually live of their earnings, that does not happen with everybody and never has. Many artists have day jobs, and produce on the side. Armin was studying to be a lawyer. Ferry was an audio engineer. Dave Dresden (or was it Josh Gabriel?) was an audio engineer for Disney. They finally got big enough to play music full time.

If Steve is angry, maybe he should be angry at the very people he is trusting with the promo. They are the ones that are giving out the material they were trusted with. This is the exact same problem in the movie industry. Reviewers are given preview copies of movies, but they are the ones pirating and uploading to the net.

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Originally posted by Orko If Steve is angry, maybe he should be angry at the very people he is trusting with the promo. They are the ones that are giving out the material they were trusted with. This is the exact same problem in the movie industry. Reviewers are given preview copies of movies, but they are the ones pirating and uploading to the net.

I agree

sounds like angello mingled with Tenaglia!

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Originally posted by NuERA perhaps some of you should stop getting paid for all the hard work you do, but is ok because you can make up for it by charging people to come watch you in your cubicle...

hey if i could sell tickets to my cubicle i would!

many atheletes work their asses off trying to make it big and fail, making next-to-nothing doing what they love.

piracy is a factor in the business of making music. unfortunatly it's not going away any time soon.

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Originally posted by phlog many atheletes work their asses off trying to make it big and fail, making next-to-nothing doing what they love.

RIDICULOUS ANALOGY! haha fuck

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Originally posted by jon jon RIDICULOUS ANALOGY! haha fuck

I wouldn't have so much of a problem if it was just a matter of people pirating music, but it irritates me an unbelievable lot when they try to justify it.

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Originally posted by jon jon RIDICULOUS ANALOGY! haha fuck

really? care to explain why?

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Originally posted by Shade I wouldn't have so much of a problem if it was just a matter of people pirating music, but it irritates me an unbelievable lot when they try to justify it.

i'm not trying to justify piracy, it's stealing. what i'm saying is that it's here to stay regardless of whether you think it's wrong or not. so yeah, like any other industry, adapt or don't make any money.

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Originally posted by phlog really? care to explain why?

Well the issue at hand is the stealing of the music. Not "what are people willing to compromise for larger aspirations"

Steve Angello is right, he is the artist and he is owed money for the art/product he has made. That is hardly the same as some minor leaguer working for peanuts trying to make it in the big leagues.

Steve Angello is playing pro ball, he's Barry Bonds and only getting 1/10th of his salary.

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Originally posted by phlog i'm not trying to justify piracy, it's stealing. what i'm saying is that it's here to stay regardless of whether you think it's wrong or not. so yeah, like any other industry, adapt or don't make any money.

Out of sheer curiosity, what do you mean by adapt?

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Originally posted by jon jon he is the artist and he is owed money for the art/product he has made.

says who? consumer demand determines how much every other produt/service on the market is worth, why is music any different? if people arn't willing to pay for your recorded music, as an artist, you better find some other way of making money off it, or change professions.

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Originally posted by jon jon Steve Angello is playing pro ball, he's Barry Bonds and only getting 1/10th of his salary.

lol k so he's still making well over a million a year and shouldn't be complaining.

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Originally posted by Shade Out of sheer curiosity, what do you mean by adapt?

Adapt:
- adjust: adapt or conform oneself to new or different conditions; "We must adjust to the bad economic situation"

i don't have an answer for this. then again i'm not the one getting shafted by internet piracy.

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Originally posted by phlog Adapt: - adjust: adapt or conform oneself to new or different conditions; "We must adjust to the bad economic situation" i don't have an answer for this. then again i'm not the one getting shafted by internet piracy.

I know what the definition of adaptation is.

I've come to terms with people pirating (as I've already said), there's not much that can be done about it. I simply said I have an issue with ridiculous justifications.

This isn't something that is exactly 'adaptable' though, only something that artists can bear with. An empty suggestion like what you made is like me saying "Well... the economy's in recession? Fix it! How? I don't know!"

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Originally posted by phlog if people arn't willing to pay for your recorded music, as an artist, you better find some other way of making money off it, or change professions.

lol well that's what he is threatening to do...

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Originally posted by phlog k so he's still making well over a million a year and shouldn't be complaining.

yeah I know, the analogy is stupid, isn't it?

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Originally posted by Shade I wouldn't have so much of a problem if it was just a matter of people pirating music, but it irritates me an unbelievable lot when they try to justify it.

This drives me nuts too!

If you're going to fucking illegally download music, then at the very least pony up to the fact that you ARE INDEED STEALING and accept that you are doing something completely unfair to the producer (who deserve to be paid for their work) and engaging in illegal activity. Acknowledge the simple fact that you just really couldnt care less about that, and you're choosing to do as you damn well please, wrong though you are!

Don't try to convince yourself that you're not doing anything wrong bc of such-and-such reason, or try to justify to yourself (or others, like on this board, for example) how it "ok" for you to act as such.

You are simply choosing to not want to pay for something you should rightfully be paying for, plain and simple.

Acknowledge that much at least. Jesus.

Its a product for sale on the market. If you want it, you should pay for it. If you dont like the price, then you dont buy it and therefore wont own it... thats the trade off. If you dont want to buy it at that price, then you shouldnt own it. Realize that. You're alternative is the listen to sets in which the song is contained. That's your fair alternative for hearing it if you dont want to pay for the track.

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Originally posted by Jem_hadar You are simply choosing to not want to pay for something you should rightfully be paying for, plain and simple.

here here. That should end this horrible horrible thread.

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Originally posted by Jem_hadar If you're going to fucking illegally download music, then at the very least pony up to the fact that you ARE INDEED STEALING and accept that you are doing something completely unfair to the producer (who deserve to be paid for their work) and engaging in illegal activity. Acknowledge the simple fact that you just really couldnt care less about that, and you're choosing to do as you damn well please, wrong though you are! Don't try to convince yourself that you're not doing anything wrong bc of such-and-such reason, or try to justify to yourself (or others, like on this board, for example) how it "ok" for you to act as such. You are simply choosing to not want to pay for something you should rightfully be paying for, plain and simple. Acknowledge that much at least. Jesus. Its a product for sale on the market. If you want it, you should pay for it. If you dont like the price, then you dont buy it and therefore wont own it... thats the trade off. If you dont want to buy it at that price, then you shouldnt own it. Realize that. You're alternative is the listen to sets in which the song is contained. That's your fair alternative for hearing it if you dont want to pay for the track.

I was going to add something...but that pretty much sums it right up.
Wheres my 'thumbs up' emoticon?

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Originally posted by phlog lol k so he's still making well over a million a year and shouldn't be complaining.

i don't care how much money I make per year. I'd be pissed if I'm getting robbed too.

Stealing is stealing. There is no moral justification for it. (No, I'm no angel either)

morality vs. reality

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Originally posted by Shade I know what the definition of adaptation is. I've come to terms with people pirating (as I've already said), there's not much that can be done about it. I simply said I have an issue with ridiculous justifications. This isn't something that is exactly 'adaptable' though, only something that artists can bear with. An empty suggestion like what you made is like me saying "Well... the economy's in recession? Fix it! How? I don't know!"

dude, there are plenty of producers making lots of money. at the same time there are people who work a hell of alot harder and get paid pennies.

sometimes life just isn't fair. times have changed and the industry eventually will too. this isn't justification for stealing, it's just a fact.

besides i think someone mentioned already that many producers are now dj'ing because producing just isn't as profitable. they have adapted in order to make more money from their art. that's what this is all about, making more money.


maybe part of the problem is that many of us have put artists on such high pedestals that their product became overvalued. now that information is so easily accessible/shared the true value is being revealed...? after all, in essence music is just information and vibrating air molecules. good luck with stopping people from recording/digitizing/sharing.

(i'm playing devils advocate, don't be too hard on me lol)

it is wrong but i would rather be a dj touring the world having thousands and thousands of fans and make a very very nice living then have a desk job the rest of my life so his threat of not making music and dj'ing is pretty lame.

While I defintely don't agree with stealing music, Steve Angello defintely doesn't make a good argument against it.

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Originally posted by phlog dude, there are plenty of producers making lots of money. at the same time there are people who work a hell of alot harder and get paid pennies. sometimes life just isn't fair. times have changed and the industry eventually will too. this isn't justification for stealing, it's just a fact. besides i think someone mentioned already that many producers are now dj'ing because producing just isn't as profitable. they have adapted in order to make more money from their art. that's what this is all about, making more money. maybe part of the problem is that many of us have put artists on such high pedestals that their product became overvalued. now that information is so easily accessible/shared the true value is being revealed...? after all, in essence music is just information and vibrating air molecules. good luck with stopping people from recording/digitizing/sharing. (i'm playing devils advocate, don't be to hard on me lol)

You don't seem to get it, my comment was strictly about the justification aspect. I'm far from in denial about the industry, in fact I dare say I know more about it than most other artists.

In any case, DJing isn't adapting, it's adding - and it's not something that every artist wants to or is capable of doing. Producing generally takes more talent and effort than DJing does too, so why has it become so devalued? The issue isn't that people put artists on pedestals; in fact if that was the case, people would stop making justifications for stealing. It's like a person being religious and not praying.

As I've said several times, I'm not out to stop people from downloading - I don't see it happening any time soon. The only thing I'd really care to stop people from is making ridiculous justifications for things that are absolutely illegal and immoral. That's about it.

just throwing a question out there...

how do you think musicians made money before they were able to record and sell their music as physical product(8 track, vinyl cassette, cd)?

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