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Originally posted by Clovis What exactly in his post was wrong? As far as I can tell he hit the nail on the head. Thunderstorms and aircraft don't mix. No matter how sophisticated, how large and how expensive your weather radar is. I could pull up hundreds and hundreds of accident examples. Also, a large majority of pilots (ESPECIALLY those flying GA aircraft) are, in fact, stupid. I worked at a flight school in Van Nuys CA, (busiest GA airport in the United States) for 2.5 years and got to witness the stupidity first hand. Really, it scares me to death who they give pilots licenses to these days.

perhaps i shouldn't have said stupid, but rather, arrogant and stubbourn. "I'm a pilot, i can fly through anything!" when really only certain types of aircraft are built *slightly* different to allow penetration of storms (i.e. the WC-130J "Hurricane Hunter" aircraft). at least, this type-a personality is very adamant in the AF. If you put a F-16 pilot in a room w/ a C-5 one, they'll argue to the death about who's a better pilot

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Originally posted by tubularbills perhaps i shouldn't have said stupid, but rather, arrogant and stubbourn. "I'm a pilot, i can fly through anything!" when really only certain types of aircraft are built *slightly* different to allow penetration of storms (i.e. the WC-130J "Hurricane Hunter" aircraft). at least, this type-a personality is very adamant in the AF. If you put a F-16 pilot in a room w/ a C-5 one, they'll argue to the death about who's a better pilot

Most Air Force pilots I have met think whatever they fly is the most challenging aircraft in the whole world. Funny how that works.


I'm just weary of most pilots in general who aren't passionate about their craft. You have guys being spit out by Embry Riddle and schools like that, they're fucking factories that make shit robot pilots. It's terrible. I knew a guy who was reckless and stupid when flying Cessnas at ERAU, and now hes flying CRJs with ASA (Delta Connection). Really scary...

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Originally posted by Clovis Most Air Force pilots I have met think whatever they fly is the most challenging aircraft in the whole world. Funny how that works. I'm just weary of most pilots in general who aren't passionate about their craft. You have guys being spit out by Embry Riddle and schools like that, they're fucking factories that make shit robot pilots. It's terrible. I knew a guy who was reckless and stupid when flying Cessnas at ERAU, and now hes flying CRJs with ASA (Delta Connection). Really scary...

actually, most officer ascesions come from ROTC detachments outside of "corp" schools like Embry Riddle, TAM, and USAFA. so there's a lot of "average joes" that go to normal universities and become pilots. (remember, not everyone in the AF is a pilot, they only make a small % of the total force). but they still have that attitude that "i'm the shit".

but pilot training in the USAF is around full year on "general aviation" and then you actually get into your airframe, and the training is more extensive from there on. and its done on active duty, not at the universities themselves (unless someone goes out and gets their own private pilot license, but even that's done at an airport...and has nothing to do w/ AF training).so to say that the university is making "robot pilots" is wrong.

/insert image from random talking thread about "someone being wrong on internet"

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Originally posted by Clovis The EAA is one of the largest organizations of idiot pilots in the USA

haha totally agree.

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Originally posted by tubularbills but pilot training in the USAF is around full year on "general aviation" and then you actually get into your airframe, and the training is more extensive from there on. and its done on active duty, not at the universities themselves (unless someone goes out and gets their own private pilot license, but even that's done at an airport...and has nothing to do w/ AF training).so to say that the university is making "robot pilots" is wrong. /insert image from random talking thread about "someone being wrong on internet"

I wasn't talking about Air Force guys. I meant pilots who go from ERAU etc to commercial flying.

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Originally posted by Clovis I wasn't talking about Air Force guys. I meant pilots who go from ERAU etc to commercial flying.

ooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

*palms forehead*

EDIT,

back on topic, the AWAC is pretty sophisticated [but goofy lookin]

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Originally posted by failsafe I guess being a pilot would disqualify me somehow as working around aircraft full time? You've got a terribly myopic view of what a real professional pilot does if you think it's just up to FL410 and monitor the autopilot. biznology: You're the first person I've ever met that has used the defense of working for the government as qualifying someone as not stupid. Is everyone else wrong?

Dang, Failsafe is the expert. How long will it take the forum to recognize his credentials instead of being stupid as normal? A little bit I reckon.

lol I went to ERAU. youre totally right clovis.

yep...

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Originally posted by curleyq992 Dang, Failsafe is the expert. How long will it take the forum to recognize his credentials instead of being stupid as normal? A little bit I reckon.

Still not banned you fucking retard?

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Originally posted by Clovis Still not banned you fucking retard?

lol he got banned a few times in the last 3 hrs.

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Originally posted by Clovis What exactly in his post was wrong? As far as I can tell he hit the nail on the head. Thunderstorms and aircraft don't mix. No matter how sophisticated, how large and how expensive your weather radar is. I could pull up hundreds and hundreds of accident examples. Also, a large majority of pilots (ESPECIALLY those flying GA aircraft) are, in fact, stupid. I worked at a flight school in Van Nuys CA, (busiest GA airport in the United States) for 2.5 years and got to witness the stupidity first hand. Really, it scares me to death who they give pilots licenses to these days.

His gross misinterpretation by talking about general aviation planes having wings ripped off and such was just out to lunch. Most trainer aircraft are certified in the Utility category, which no transport category jets are certified to. So based on that the acceptable G loading before failure in a cessna 172 is far higher than that in a 747 or 777 (almost twice the G loading infact). The larger planes have far more weight to be moved around, but they also enter the vertical air columns far more quickly which in turn causes more stress on the airframe. The Cessna 172 would never get into the really crazy parts of the storm either, microburts yes, but never into the extreme hail, up and down drafts associated with the stuff around 20,000 - 30,000ft.

I never argued that Thunderstorms aren't hazardous to aircraft. I just disagreed with the blatant over dramatization of "ripping wings off". How many of the posters here have flown at 35,000 feet and had to dodge cells, or how many have used weather radar to pick their way through a squall line? I'd dare say few if any, yet you're all talking as if you've been there and done that.

Also Van Nuys isn't the buiest GA airport

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoeni..._Valley_Airport

Maybe the busiest airport carying porn stars in and out of the area.

I've flown into LAX a few times and the TCAS is sure a lot busier in many other areas. The New York Trecon airspace is absolutely insane to work under with arrivals for La Guardia, JFK, Newark, white plains, etc etc all funneling through the same space.

The second part that I found amusing was that he said that certain planes couldn't fly in weather beyond a sky condition of FEW or SKC, which means few or sky clear for clouds. Those planes certainly can fly in overcast and broken conditions. Certainly Broken 25,000 is a lot nicer weather than few @ 200, few @ 500, few @ 700.

I guess to close, I just took offense to the stupid pilot comment, coming from someone that had posted many inaccuracies.

Anyway, maybe some real world experience would open your eyes to what things are actually like. Let me know when you've got a couple of years flying in the flight levels in large aircraft under your belt and we can exchange war stories then.

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Originally posted by failsafe The New York TRACON

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Originally posted by failsafe His gross misinterpretation by talking about general aviation planes having wings ripped off and such was just out to lunch. Most trainer aircraft are certified in the Utility category, which no transport category jets are certified to. So based on that the acceptable G loading before failure in a cessna 172 is far higher than that in a 747 or 777 (almost twice the G loading infact). The larger planes have far more weight to be moved around, but they also enter the vertical air columns far more quickly which in turn causes more stress on the airframe. The Cessna 172 would never get into the really crazy parts of the storm either, microburts yes, but never into the extreme hail, up and down drafts associated with the stuff around 20,000 - 30,000ft. I never argued that Thunderstorms aren't hazardous to aircraft. I just disagreed with the blatant over dramatization of "ripping wings off". How many of the posters here have flown at 35,000 feet and had to dodge cells, or how many have used weather radar to pick their way through a squall line? I'd dare say few if any, yet you're all talking as if you've been there and done that. Also Van Nuys isn't the buiest GA airport http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoeni..._Valley_Airport Maybe the busiest airport carying porn stars in and out of the area. I've flown into LAX a few times and the TCAS is sure a lot busier in many other areas. The New York Trecon airspace is absolutely insane to work under with arrivals for La Guardia, JFK, Newark, white plains, etc etc all funneling through the same space. The second part that I found amusing was that he said that certain planes couldn't fly in weather beyond a sky condition of FEW or SKC, which means few or sky clear for clouds. Those planes certainly can fly in overcast and broken conditions. Certainly Broken 25,000 is a lot nicer weather than few @ 200, few @ 500, few @ 700. I guess to close, I just took offense to the stupid pilot comment, coming from someone that had posted many inaccuracies. Anyway, maybe some real world experience would open your eyes to what things are actually like. Let me know when you've got a couple of years flying in the flight levels in large aircraft under your belt and we can exchange war stories then.

*Sigh*....My Hero!!

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Originally posted by failsafe The second part that I found amusing was that he said that certain planes couldn't fly in weather beyond a sky condition of FEW or SKC, which means few or sky clear for clouds. Those planes certainly can fly in overcast and broken conditions. Certainly Broken 25,000 is a lot nicer weather than few @ 200, few @ 500, few @ 700.

i was referring to the pilots that are in training, not the actual aircraft. those stationed @ Columbus AFB, Vance, AFB, Altus AFB, Laughlin AFB, Tyndall AFB, and Eglin AFB are a lot of pilots in training, and are not allowed to fly in anything more than a SCT deck for thier own safety/training.

as the best pilot in the world, i'm sure you went through some kind of restrictive training, yes? or did they just give you the keys and say, "ok, go man go!" and you were like, "oh shit yeah, i'm the best out there!" and had no problems at all in your first flight. in fact, you were so good that they wanted you to start training people only after you had like 10 hours of flying. man, i wish i was that awesome.

also, overdramatization of thunderstorms is necessary to really bring a point of how powerful a storm is.

so have you personally flown through a squall line in a cessna? or a supercell? i'm not talking about generalized ordinary plain old thunderstorms with echo tops of 20k and no vils. i'm talking about severe weather here. (even tho general thunderstorms still are not really the best idea to be flown in anyway, regardless of airframe).

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Originally posted by Jackson Will works around aircraft full time, as do you.

he does? i thought he just sits in an office all night watchign the weather channel and then just typing up what they say in militaristic manner.. and jotting ideas of what his commentary of his next c0r cribs is supposed to go like...

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Originally posted by Zewad he does? i thought he just sits in an office all night watchign the weather channel and then just typing up what they say in militaristic manner.. and jotting ideas of what his commentary of his next c0r cribs is supposed to go like...

dude, don't be a dick. granted i don't physically touch aircraft, everything we do revolves around aircraft flying or not. whether its TAFs, dash-1s, or talking to the pilots themselves. ffs, we briefed the fucking white house if they could fly a "distinguished guest" to Crawford or not.

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Originally posted by tubularbills dude, don't be a dick. granted i don't physically touch aircraft, everything we do revolves around aircraft flying or not. whether its TAFs, dash-1s, or talking to the pilots themselves. ffs, we briefed the fucking white house if they could fly a "distinguished guest" to Crawford or not.

no.. im not.. you actually do AF stuff in the US... when i was in the Army we just praticed and played war games... stupid i tell ya...

although you gotta train, but there is only so much running around the forest with laser tag shit and shooting blanks one can handle...

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Originally posted by Zewad no.. im not.. you actually do AF stuff in the US... when i was in the Army we just praticed and played war games... stupid i tell ya... although you gotta train, but there is only so much running around the forest with laser tag shit and shooting blanks one can handle...

you didn't use paintballs? we did that in ROTC a few times. it was fun! of course, we were just playing AF back then too, lol

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Originally posted by tubularbills you didn't use paintballs? we did that in ROTC a few times. it was fun! of course, we were just playing AF back then too, lol

paintballs.. ha.. typical AF...

dude.Army has no money...

ok resume.. neato plane thrad...

im with will on teh b-52 planes.... = ftw

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Originally posted by Zewad im with will on teh b-52 planes.... = ftw

+1

i like the b52. its a great bomber for releasing 971982734981723 bombs at once. thats about it though.

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Stealth bomber crashes on Guam Two pilots eject safely, Air Force says Breaking News MSNBC staff and news service reports updated 22 minutes ago This breaking news story will be updated as more information becomes available. HAGATNA, Guam - The Air Force says a B-2 stealth bomber crashed on Guam, but the two pilots ejected safely. "They have been evaluated by medical authorities and are in good condition," the Air Force said in a statement. An Air Force spokeswoman was not immediately available for further details. KUAM TV news reported that the crash happened at around 10:45 a.m. Saturday at Anderson Air Force Base. Residents in the nearby town of Yigo reported seeing large plumes of black smoke coming from the base, the TV station reported. Guam Fire Department's Angel Llagas told KUAM that a large explosion was reported to the island's 911 service and two units responded to the call. Each B-2 bomber costs about $1.2 billion to build. All 21 stealth bombers are based at Whiteman Air Force Base in Missouri but the Air Force has been rotating several of them along with B-1 and B-52 bombers through Guam since 2004. The rotations are designed to boost the U.S. security presence in the Asia-Pacific region while other U.S. forces are diverted to fight in the Middle East. The Associated Press and Reuters contributed to this report.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23302483/

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel i like the b52. its a great bomber for releasing 971982734981723 bombs at once. thats about it though.

quite the objective, yes? lol

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