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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Then again there's a difference between expressing yourself musically and producing a completely calculated, soulless, heartless piece of "music" to put bread on the table. As an artist you really should know this.

And you as an artist should appreciate that sometimes reaching a wider audience requires taking certain risks, and you really should see the big picture instead of condemning something so bluntly.

Hypothetical scenario.

I compose an album, 13 tracks, all 'trance', whatever that word means to you, 1 of which is a 'commercial' record, with the sole purpose of luring people to find out what else I've done, to expose more people to my interpretation of trance music and perhaps get them interested in the genre as a whole.

Bad thing ya?

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Whoa, the hater card. Really quite unexpected.

Only because your bandwagon-hopping is so predictable.

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Originally posted by 8Wonders And you as an artist should appreciate that sometimes reaching a wider audience requires taking certain risks, and you really should see the big picture instead of condemning something so bluntly.

"Taking certain risks" is one thing. Doing what I said in my previous post is something completely different. If you're only concerned in reaching a wider audience then you need to rethink why you're in the business in the first place.

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Hypothetical scenario. I compose an album, 13 tracks, all 'trance', whatever that word means to you, 1 of which is a 'commercial' record, with the sole purpose of luring people to find out what else I've done, to expose more people to my interpretation of trance music and perhaps get them interested in the genre as a whole. Bad thing ya?

Ya.

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Originally posted by 8Wonders Only because your bandwagon-hopping is so predictable.

What bandwagon would that be?

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery "Taking certain risks" is one thing. Doing what I said in my previous post is something completely different. If you're only concerned in reaching a wider audience then you need to rethink why you're in the business in the first place. Ya.

Ohhh! So any artist whose motives are to expose his art to the most people possible is doing it for the wrong reason?

I can only laugh at that ... there wasn't much you could have said that would have surprised me, but you just did.

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Originally posted by 8Wonders Ohhh! So any artist whose motives are to expose his art to the most people possible is doing it for the wrong reason? I can only laugh at that ... there wasn't much you could have said that would have surprised me, but you just did.

You, on the other hand, reacted the just as I expected.

The key word in my previous post was "only". Dig it.

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Originally posted by 8Wonders Ohhh! So any artist whose motives are to expose his art to the most people possible is doing it for the wrong reason?

Nope, but you can do it without selling out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christo

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Originally posted by Clovis Nope, but you can do it without selling out. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christo

And what would your definition of selling out be?

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Originally posted by Clovis Someone find that interview where he says if he could play whatever he wanted it would be mostly "weird ambient stuff"

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Armin van Buuren: I DJ for the crowd, not for myself, if it was for me the music would be real ambient, weird sounding. These track lists are for the crowd.

http://www.trancesound.net/diversht...van_buuren.html

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Originally posted by 8Wonders And what would your definition of selling out be?

Making music for commercial gain first and foremost, and not for the sake of artistic expression.

The most questionable aspect of this track to me is the VOCALS! The guitar and more downtempo feel may be partially because its a collab with Shah, and perhaps the melody isn't anything special but really...

COULDN'T THEY FIND SOMEONE ELSE TO DO THE VOCALS?

This doesn't even appeal to commercial listeners because of how bad the singer is... its like if you took the Nickelback singer and made him worse. Before they release this track, they should get a different singer to completely redo all the lyrics - at least salvage it to some degree. The vocals actually FIT in the Anthem.

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Originally posted by Clovis Making music for commercial gain first and foremost, and not for the sake of artistic expression.

In other words, money, aye?

But who is to say that is the goal of this record? Just because it sounds commercial, it is assumed that the reason he made it was to fill his pockets up?

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Originally posted by 8Wonders In other words, money, aye? But who is to say that is the goal of this record? Just because it sounds commercial, it is assumed that the reason he made it was to fill his pockets up?

Not necessarily. I really don't think it matters much to Armin anymore, and it shows. He's just pumping out another track like The Anthem with cheesy vocals that he knows a certain segment of people will go nuts for. I don't think he was sitting there thinking "what will make me the most money here", but I don't think he was thinking "what kind of track do I really want to make, what do i want to explore" either...


Also, you already said this track was aimed at a target audience to attract more people to his sound. What I'm pointing out is, there are ways of doing this without compromising artistic integrity.

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Originally posted by Clovis I don't think he was sitting there thinking "what will make me the most money here"

I do.

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Originally posted by 8Wonders In other words, money, aye? But who is to say that is the goal of this record? Just because it sounds commercial, it is assumed that the reason he made it was to fill his pockets up?

Why do you even bother arguing with these social rejects? They are NOBODYS.

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Originally posted by InfiniteSquare Why do you even bother arguing with these social rejects? They are NOBODYS.

Says this kid:





If being the opposite of you makes me a "social reject", I want to be the most rejected person of all time.

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Originally posted by RJT

is that DJ Romanian?

this would be his track of the year for sure

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Originally posted by chucho is that DJ Romanian?

That's our dear friend InfiniteSquare, in all his "socially accepted" glory.



Seriously though, that picture cracks me up every time. Look at how hardcore he is - don't mess. Don't ever mess.

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Originally posted by RJT

lol! this thread is getting interesting, so i'm in!

not gonna listen to the track though as armin has been beyond crap for years!

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Originally posted by 8Wonders Reaching for a wider audience does not make you a sell out. What's wrong with wanting to expose your music to as many people as possible? Hell what's the purpose of sites like myspace, it's to further your sound to as many as possible. I know it's what I want, personally speaking. If I wanted to make music just for myself, I'd do that and not send it to anyone else.

The emphasis lies on personal style and expression here. Going Wrong is not Armin's personal sound. It's a sound that has existed for years now and proven to be successful in the hands of thousands of other producers, which makes him a sell out.

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Originally posted by RJT Says this kid: If being the opposite of you makes me a "social reject", I want to be the most rejected person of all time.

Social rejects are usually the most interesting people

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Originally posted by Clovis Social rejects are usually the most interesting people

I've obviously missed an amazing thread and have some reading to do.

wow, it's really bad

what can i say?

it basically stands for everything i hate about 'the world'


full steam ahead, hate wagon.





btw for those 'hater-haters' out there:

read "One-Dimensional Man" by Herbert Marcuse.

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