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Lol...no I don't think she's a whore.

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Originally posted by Theresa This is the reason why I don't think they should give birth at all. None of the options are good options. So if you want to look at it realistically, you want to say "well Theresa, not everyone is going to abort", fine. I know that is true. However, I was stating what I think should be, not what is, or every probably will be. So yes, given the current situation of many people being complete and utter shite... but still apparently holding the conviction that abortion is wrong, then yes, putting children up for adoption is a far better option than having deadbeat parents trying to do it.

Sure, but that didn't really answer all of my questions!


edit: No wait...I guess it does. Ok, so then let's just be hypothetical for a minute, and say that nobody is allowed abortions, ever. The only option is to "be accountable"...now, answer me those questions.

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Originally posted by jennypie Lol...no I don't think she's a whore.

One can only wish....

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Originally posted by echosystm Theresa, your attitude towards adoption is absolutely retarded, I'm sorry. This is straight up wrong. Children who are under the care of the system usually recieve good education and are better off than ALOT of people in shit areas, at least in Australia. My grandfather went into the system when he was about 6 or so... and came out the other end an engineer. That was decades ago, when social security was primitive to say the least. Likewise, one of my best mates has been "alone" his entire life and is now at uni.

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Originally posted by jennypie My next door neighbour was a ward of the government right up until last summer when she turned 18. She is a smart, hard working girl, and will be starting school in the fall for nursing. She works two jobs to pay her rent, and has saved all of her money to pay for school. She's owned 2 cars, both of which she paid cash for. Doesn't sound like she grew up to abuse the system to me.

One or two examples do not speak for the majority. Great for your grandfather echo.

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Originally posted by UWM Well, no, actually. When you're asking for posters in this thread to cite sources for concrete statistics and subsequently posting links to 'evidence' yourself, to go off and make up grossly exaggerated ratios is just kind of ... I don't know, ironic?

I wasn't providing stats until asked to, or when my statement was challenged for not being legit. It was obvious that it was an exaggeration. I on the other hand asked for a source because I was interested (thinking it was a real stat)... and turns out that it was just a made up stat as well.

There isn't a lot of stats existing for those that go unadopted. However, the little information that does exist suggests that a large amount of unadopted children do not lead a wonderful life afterward.

http://www.athealth.com/Practitione..._KerseyNH2.html

http://homepage.mac.com/bdwlecteur/ChildrensHome.html

This one states that 12% end up as criminals. Considering the enormous amount of children who don't get adopted, I would say that is pretty damn high.
http://www.ranchandcoast.com/decemb...eature-one.html

Even though I'd like to piss in Jenny's eyes, Adoption > Abortion. Shame on you Theresa.

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Originally posted by pinkbubblegum Adoption > Abortion.

wrong. its a case-by-case basis.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN wrong. its a case-by-case basis.

not in this case

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Originally posted by jennypie Uh, what about women who can't have children?? Where do they get babies from??

We adopt cats

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Originally posted by Theresa This one states that 12% end up as criminals. Considering the enormous amount of children who don't get adopted, I would say that is pretty damn high. http://www.ranchandcoast.com/decemb...eature-one.html

And what percentage of children who grow up in natural families become criminals?

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Originally posted by pinkbubblegum not in this case

what case?

adoption and abortion are two very different situations that cater to different women for often vastly different reasons. you cant state that "adoption > abortion" as a matter of fact.

there are many things that need to be considered when balancing the merits of each course of action, and i dont think one is inherently better than the other because of some obtuse moral standard.

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Originally posted by jennypie And what percentage of children who grow up in natural families become criminals?

And what percentage of them end up smoking the devil's weed?

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Originally posted by jennypie Ok, T...I'll bite. If we wanna go "the system" route...do you really think it's any better for these kids if they stay in homes where they aren't wanted, or in environments that are unstable? What do you think it's like to grow up with a parent with a substance abuse problem? Or what if they are abusive? Also, do you think it costs the government any less to support young mothers??

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Originally posted by jennypie Sure, but that didn't really answer all of my questions! edit: No wait...I guess it does. Ok, so then let's just be hypothetical for a minute, and say that nobody is allowed abortions, ever. The only option is to "be accountable"...now, answer me those questions.

Well now we're getting into another unrealistic hypothetical situation that is just as irrelevant.

However, I will answer anyway.

I think unstable environments are better than ones where the children are unwanted.

I know what it's like to grow up with a parent with a substance abuse. It's shit. Obviously I don't agree with abuse either.

As for how much it costs to support young mothers... I don't know. Ideally those who owned up to their doings would also own up to the financial end of it as well, and therefore would have less people leeching off the gov't as a whole.

Ok another question. If you had an abortion, would you talk openly about it? Would you be proud of your choice?

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Originally posted by jennypie Ok another question. If you had an abortion, would you talk openly about it? Would you be proud of your choice?

i would! id take photos and name it clumpy.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN what case?

I don't need any fancy arguments or statistics. I know whats right in my heart and thats all that matters.

Clumpy, lol. I'd call mine Endometria.

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Originally posted by jennypie And what percentage of children who grow up in natural families become criminals?

That's a good point. I don't know that stat on that one, however I am not sure how it is entirely relevant?

Children who grow up with natural families can have vastly varying lives. That can really skew the stats. Sure, so could unadopted children, but typically their lives have one very large commonality - they were brought up in the system which has "protocols" etc.

Not to mention that of course, far more people grow up with their birth parents than there are children who are not adopted.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles And what percentage of them end up smoking the devil's weed?

Believe it or not, I was actually going to say that in my last post.

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Originally posted by pinkbubblegum I don't need any fancy arguments or statistics. I know whats right in my heart and thats all that matters.

Hey, you and theresa should get on fine then.

I know, its such a crazy idea to get people to justify the beliefs that they live their life by or ask others to live.

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Originally posted by pinkbubblegum I don't need any fancy arguments or statistics. I know whats right in my heart and thats all that matters.

"My mind is made up. Don't you dare confuse me with the facts!"

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Originally posted by jennypie Clumpy, lol. I'd call mine Endometria.

to be fair, that's a howard stern line not mine.

i dont get your nerdy biology joke either

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles "My mind is made up. Don't you dare confuse me with the facts!"

The number of people who use this argument without realizing it never ceases to astonish me.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles "My mind is made up. Don't you dare confuse me with the facts!"

precisely.

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Originally posted by jennypie Ok another question. If you had an abortion, would you talk openly about it? Would you be proud of your choice?

Well I hope that I am responsible enough not to get pregnant when I don't have the plan to, but hypothetically, if it happened....

I would not openly talk about it. A lot of people are opposed to abortion, and I would not want to get into a debate each and every time it was mentioned. I also wouldn't want this to tarnish my good standings with people.

Would I be proud? Yes. I would know that I had done the right thing for me. I would be glad to know that I had not brought a life into this world that would not get the proper care that it needs. I would know that I had not ruined my life by taking on a life altering task I was not prepared for. Yes... I would absolutely be proud.

Would I be proud that I had gotten myself into the situation in the first place? Absolutely not. Stupid of me, and shame on me for not taking the appropriate precautions.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles "My mind is made up. Don't you dare confuse me with the facts!"

I know intellectual bullsh*t when I smell it. If you were in the a real situation with a decision to make you wouldn't be thinking about all the garbage your throwing around.

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