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Originally posted by chinqlinq lol its MARKETING MARKETING MARKETING when you ask random people to list 3 "techno" or trance DJs, if they even can name 3, they will say Tiesto. if you ask them to name 1 song from him, they probably will be stumped. a bunch of people i know have Tiesto on their iPods just because its tiesto. all they probably wanted was some trance and went on limewire and searched "Tiesto" and clicked download as they went down the list of songs. Tiesto is a household trance name, thats how good him and his team did at marketing the name and brand.

You are definately hitting the nail on the head there. I meet people, and we start talking about music, I ask them if they have heard of Paul van Dyk, they say "umm, no, Paul who" And then I mention Tiesto and they are like "Oh, yeah, DJ Tiesto!" -- this has happened more than a dozen times. Armin is usually foreign to them too. About the only two names that almost always ring a bell with people here are Oakenfold and Tiesto. Nobody knows about Sasha and Digweed, Carl Cox, etc....basically the only two names from the electronic genre that have instant recognition with a wide group (mostly people that don't listen to much electronic) are Tiesto and Oakie. At least that's what I have found.

Right, it's about marketing -- and when you hit the "mainsteam" with concerts, movie soundtracks, big name pop remixes, people worldwide learn to know you as an artist, or "hey, that techno DJ!" <-- LOL but that's the recognition they get, and I guess these guys like it, it's all about popularity from this point. But again, with those "in the know" look at the DJMag Poll and Armin is on top. Go figure.

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Originally posted by WardC You are definately hitting the nail on the head there. I meet people, and we start talking about music, I ask them if they have heard of Paul van Dyk, they say "umm, no, Paul who" And then I mention Tiesto and they are like "Oh, yeah, DJ Tiesto!" -- this has happened more than a dozen times. Armin is usually foreign to them too. About the only two names that almost always ring a bell with people here are Oakenfold and Tiesto. Nobody knows about Sasha and Digweed, Carl Cox, etc....basically the only two names from the electronic genre that have instant recognition with a wide group (mostly people that don't listen to much electronic) are Tiesto and Oakie. At least that's what I have found. Right, it's about marketing -- and when you hit the "mainsteam" with concerts, movie soundtracks, big name pop remixes, people worldwide learn to know you as an artist, or "hey, that techno DJ!" <-- LOL but that's the recognition they get, and I guess these guys like it, it's all about popularity from this point. But again, with those "in the know" look at the DJMag Poll and Armin is on top. Go figure.

Funny thing about everyone recognizing Tiesto and Oakie is that when I heard tiesto's mixes it reminded me of Oakie. They are very similar in their track selection and mixing style. Just ultimately smooth with great mood development and flow. (talking more about late 90s oakie) I first heard oakenfold in '97 with his GU Oslo CD. Blew my mind and changed the way I viewed trance. Saw him in '98 and in a real small club and danced my butt off. Somewhere around 99 he started to get huge and played some weird stuff. I sort of lost track of Dance music around 2002. Maybe a year ago I started listening to Pandora radio and started some dance stations and a bunch if tracks from Tiesto ISOS 5 came up so I bought it. I couldn't help but thinking, 'this is Oakie when he was good!'. I like tiesto. I like his tracks, I like his mixes. His superstardom doesn't change the fact that he's a good DJ IMO. Now I'm getting back into Dance music heavily again and Tiesto is still one of the best when it comes to melodic progressive house/trance.

What I possibly like most though is that he is consistent. I haven't heard a bad mix CD by him yet. Usually people going on as long as he has would have a couple whack mixes. But no he doesn't break the pattern of making pleasing mixes.

What he undoubtedly does is play for the crowd - - those gay arsed trancers are what all those cookie cutter drug enduced youths want at the party... and he happily throws out the latest Sean Tyas production after Discover production after Anjuna track... to please them.

He must be sick to death of hearing Adagio and Lethal by now, but he still relentlessly drops those too, to cater for the other corner of his fanbase who only know him through itunes and his albums.

Then there is the small minority of people like me, who were there when he actually was good, who just cannot fathom wtf has happened in the last 5 years to reach this undesirable point in time.

One thing to his credit - adaptability. He's been flexible enough to keep all the different types of fans happy for the majority of time. Whether they're interested to hear his shit, his compilation sound, or just the old tiesto they once loved... its all in there, packed into every show.

His charisma and showmanship, go a long way to captivate new fans and audience outside of his regulars, and that is what makes him entertaining to the point of popular. It just proves that you can be a technical wizard in the booth, but if you're billy no mates, you'll never get really really popular.

Yeah there's those select few Tiesto tracks that just never seem to die no matter how many years pass. I've yet to hear a live set from Tiesto where he plays Coming Home or Forever Today. Those are some mean trance tracks, as with the rest of the stuff from the album Parade of the Athletes, but NOOOOOOOOO he's just GOT to play Traffic or Lethal Industry (both ironically featured on Parade of the Athletes) for the billionth time. Hell, I'd even take his more mellowed-out stuff like Obsession or Flight 643 (Two more tracks I've never heard him play in a set).

Honestly, I'd shit my pants if I heard one of these GOOD Tiesto tracks at a live show.

SPEAKING OF WHICH, does anyone know of a live Tiesto set where he plays any of the aforementioned songs that I'd like to hear? It'd be MUCH appreciated!

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Originally posted by couch-potato Yeah there's those select few Tiesto tracks that just never seem to die no matter how many years pass. I've yet to hear a live set from Tiesto where he plays Coming Home or Forever Today. Those are some mean trance tracks, as with the rest of the stuff from the album Parade of the Athletes, but NOOOOOOOOO he's just GOT to play Traffic or Lethal Industry (both ironically featured on Parade of the Athletes) for the billionth time. Hell, I'd even take his more mellowed-out stuff like Obsession or Flight 643 (Two more tracks I've never heard him play in a set). Honestly, I'd shit my pants if I heard one of these GOOD Tiesto tracks at a live show. SPEAKING OF WHICH, does anyone know of a live Tiesto set where he plays any of the aforementioned songs that I'd like to hear? It'd be MUCH appreciated!

He played flight 643, traffic , lethal industry , suburban train , adagio for strings and even dropped frank TRAX - nebuchan in london earlier this month

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Originally posted by MichaelBoogerd! He must be sick to death of hearing Adagio and Lethal by now, but he still relentlessly drops those too, to cater for the other corner of his fanbase who only know him through itunes and his albums.

I heard he didn't spin any of his own tunes when he played at M�ch�� last weekend (at least not the obvious ones). So perhaps he got tired of them after all

Or was that just a coincidence?

i doubt very much he would ever play 'obsession' again.. best thing he ever did but that was with junkie xl who is absolutely awesome. urban train again one of my favourite trance tracks of all time.. never plays that. none of them are cheesy enough.

his remix of adagio is one of the most rancid things ive ever heard.

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Originally posted by MichaelBoogerd! Then there is the small minority of people like me, who were there when he actually was good, who just cannot fathom wtf has happened in the last 5 years to reach this undesirable point in time.

basically.

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Originally posted by paulandrews I heard he didn't spin any of his own tunes when he played at M�ch�� last weekend (at least not the obvious ones). So perhaps he got tired of them after all Or was that just a coincidence?

Maybe that CD got wet?

He's dropped Obsession 4-5 times in the past 12 months.
Thats acceptable.. still whoring out Adagio & Lethal isnt - but they're staple "for the crowd" tracks cos most people are asleep until they hear a familiar melody coming in.

Obsession got dropped in Poland when I was there in '07; and the place went dead, the majority probably didn't even realise it was a Tiesto track, yet when Lethal was dropped there wasn't a dry eye in the place, hands in the air wow moment.

Its his entourage and management team that makes him what he is. He was involved with the right/smart people back when trance was going off, and also right place at the right time. His presence being a pretty tall guy as far as DJ's go, and being in shape or slim, dressing hip that helps as well. Image is everything in this world.

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Originally posted by MichaelBoogerd! Maybe that CD got wet? He's dropped Obsession 4-5 times in the past 12 months. Thats acceptable.. still whoring out Adagio & Lethal isnt - but they're staple "for the crowd" tracks cos most people are asleep until they hear a familiar melody coming in. Obsession got dropped in Poland when I was there in '07; and the place went dead, the majority probably didn't even realise it was a Tiesto track, yet when Lethal was dropped there wasn't a dry eye in the place, hands in the air wow moment.

i havent listened to a tiesto set that goes beyond 04 - im pretty shocked he is still dropping 'obsession'

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Originally posted by Swamper Don't hate on the guy for being successful.

Some people have a very, very, different definition of "success"...

ha ha

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Originally posted by Clovis Some people have a very, very, different definition of "success"...

whats yours?

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Originally posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY whats yours?

In a nutshell:

Never losing passion for music and my profession while making a reasonable living from it and being able to travel.

the more recent gigs in california tiesto has been running a "regular" DJ set just playing popular trance and prog songs like all the way, 6am, move for me, and the rest. dont think any of his sets have even consisted in more than 2 of his songs this year, which is surprising because americans are probably more lenient with him playing overplayed songs than almost anyone else.

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Originally posted by Clovis In a nutshell: Never losing passion for music and my profession while making a reasonable living from it and being able to travel.

yes of course, but once u have people willing to throw 30k and upwards of 100k at u to play commercial crap...do u do it? Would you deny their offer?

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Originally posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY yes of course, but once u have people willing to throw 30k and upwards of 100k at u to play commercial crap...do u do it? Would you deny their offer?

id be playing top 40s in a minute for 30k

actually ill do t for 5k

actually ill do it for a beer.

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Originally posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY yes of course, but once u have people willing to throw 30k and upwards of 100k at u to play commercial crap...do u do it? Would you deny their offer?

Yeah I would. I've already turned down gigs paying far, far less because I didn't think the music I play would suit.

If I wanted to make a lot of money DJing it would be pretty easy to just start playing crap.

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Originally posted by nchs09 actually ill do it for a beer.

See for yourselves...

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Originally posted by nchs09 id be playing top 40s in a minute for 30k actually ill do t for 5k

i'd do it, build up a name, slowly introduce EDM into my sets, then totally turn Sasha on everyone.

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Originally posted by Clovis In a nutshell: Never losing passion for music and my profession while making a reasonable living from it and being able to travel.

Sooo...how's that not apply to Tiesto? How would anyone know whether he's lost passion for music or not? An opinion on style and type of music and performance is different than having passion for what you're doing. He my have plenty of passion, he's making more than a reasonable amount of money and...yeah he travels...just a little.
I guess you can throw the sell out card...you know...he plays addagio just to give people what they want...well...I'm sure he plays stuff they don't know or want quite a bit but what are you gonna do? Dissapoint a couple thousand people by not giving them what they came to hear?

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