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dude if u know ur history..u will know that the brits promised the land to both the muslims and the jews to help it in world war I and so when they did..they bith moved to the land at the same time and the problems started..

Let me clear things up: I understand how Isreal was formed, and I understand that it was the UK who were the primary figures behind its creation. My point (if any) was simply that generalising in the fashion the Yeopus was before - ascribing the creation of Isreal to England as a whole and not just some people who lived there 50 years ago - makes no sense. It's like blaming the current generation of Germans for Nazism.

In fact, the Americans seem to be doing what Tiesto14 was originally complaining about : making harsh generalisations purely on nationality. I said in my earlier (long) post, that I understand that it is not the fault of the citizens of the US if the government makes a stupid decision, so I seperate the concepts. What Sir Winston and his small gang decided to do in 1947/1948 is entirely irrelevent to what we're talking about here, and ascribing the actions of a nation to all the citizens who inhabit it makes no sense at all.

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I mean, for gods sake people, you are saying the USA is not all that, but then your government go on their hands and knees and beg the USA to do something about something. What, are you guys so helpess and powerless to solve problems on your own?

No, the point is we acknowledge the immense power that the US has, but we refrain from attributing this power to "greatness". As I said earlier, the power that America has now has absolutely nothing to do with how great it is, but rather because of the political ideals behind its creation 226 years ago (?) and the political unrest in Europe during the earlier parts of this century.

We come to the US "on our hands and knees" because the US holds a disproportionately large amount of the worlds resources, and has the greatest power and to facilitate foreign aid or a peace keeping mission. To use my previous analogy, someone cannot declare themself president and then winge when people ask him for help. If the US wishes to adopt such a powerful global stance, and inflict its political and economic ideolgies on everyone else, then it has to expect to give something back in return. No one's denying the sheer size and power of the US - but that's all the more reason for them to do more to assist the less fortunate or able around the globe.

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I mean look at Kyoto. You wanted the USA to sign the protocol (which I don't think was bad, the bad part was not offering another plan). Ok so the USA didn't sign it. Why do you guys need the USA? Go organize the protocol and sign it yourselfs! Why didn't you? Because your governments discovered the protocol is not all that and the Americans were right.. it was a pretty dumb plan, we need better.

We need the signature of the US because they consume 25% of the worlds resources and thus, one can only assume, produce 25% of the world's pollution. And yes, all the other countries have signed it, and Bill Clinton (a worthy president) even signed on behalf of the US before Dubya came into power and pulled out of the entire treaty saying: "the American way of life will not be compromised". As in: we'll do what you want, the rest of you will just have to sit quietly and accept it. So far as I know, the Kyoto protocol is still going ahead, but I'm not sure what the US's stance is on the issue after all the uproar surrounding its pull-out.

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But why do you go on saying Bush is dumb in "everything" he does because he does dumb things in one field or two. Sure not being an environmentalist is dumb. And sure he might be a greedy capatilist pig, but what the hell is wrong with the war effort?? If something is wrong it seems to me that he is to weak and not strong enough.

He's an ignorant red-neck. I've disagreed with virtually everything he's done. That whole "Axis-of-Evil" thing, was about as misguided a statement as any person in a position of power can make. It displays his ignorance and self-righteousness quite lucidly.

He's a twat, and how he got voted in is beyond me. He's going to have done a lot more damage than good by the time he's finished (hopefully by 2004).

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is it just me or arent the brits the first people that expressed their condolences to the us after sept11 and were the first to attack afghanistan along with the us...is it just suckin up to the big dogg? is it just double standard?

Once again, a nation's people and a nation's government are two entirely different entities. Blair may be hell-bent on sucking up to Mr. Bush, but it doesn't mean the people are. It's important we all make this distinction otherwise this discussion is going to degenerate into basless generalisations and stereotypes, if it hasn't already reached this stage.

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The attack on afghanistan was plain stupid..i mean terrorism was around for ages in afghanistan..if ben laden was hiding in another country no one would have given a fuck about afghanistan..

I wrote a long post (even by my standards) on this issue a while back in one of the Afghanistan threads, and I'm inclined to agree with you. I didn't have any moral opposition, necessarily, to the US government seeking out justice, but to launch an attack on Afghanistan was pointless and misguided for a number of reasons. I'm not going to into them now, but if people are interested in my views (as I'm sure you all are ) then I'd be happy to dig it out for you.

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so wanna bash go ahead bash those political descisions but not everything about america needs to be bashed..

Exactly, that's what I'm trying to say. There's no sense generalising and "bashing" an entire country, because most of the time the public has little or no say in political decisions (going some way against the notion of democracy don't you think?). I disagree with a number of decisions the US has made, but I don't see it fit to blame the US citizens for actions they had no control over.

I hope I'm making myself clear.

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Originally posted by tiesto14 ARE U KIDDING MEEEEEE!!!!!!......the Afghan people have gained the most out of this entire situation...the children are allowed to got o school, the women are nolonger tortured...people have a say now..... Did you know that the Taliban sometimes has their womens clitoris' removed so that they would not have desire for other men?...or that they would be beaten if they spoke out of order..maybe even killed... The children of Afghanistan are now able to go to school and wear better cloths because of the U.S. efforts..we have sent millions in school supplies and clothing and even proffesors with strong Afghanistan backgrounds over there inordeer to teach the Afghanistan teachers proper skills, such as math and science...so that the children can learn and prosper... this was NEVER allowed with the Tailban...children did not go to school... so you are very much mistaken that the Afghan people have suffered more then they have gained...even the Afghanistan people are happy with the ridding of the Taliban...

yes the taliban is gone, yes the women can walk around free and kids can go to school... but most the skoolz are probably empty shells of buildings anyway. the country was already in ruins before all the shit so i think its logical to think they didnt need more bombs and fighting. the taliban were nothing but cowardly all mouth no clout bastards. they could have been pushed out easily if enough pressure was applied in the right places.

im not gonna read all the crap since page 3. I now see that all you Europeans are gonna hate America no matter what. You use me as an example of why you hate America. So be it. You say America isnt the greatest and if we were Osama would dead. Thats the stupid shit that keeps your countries under out boot heel. You expect us to be able to do everything. Again, so be it. My conclusion in this thread is that Americans dislike of Europeans is well founded. The ignorance in here is palpable. Im not going to read this thread anymore because it drives home the fact that you guys are not going to have a legitimate conversation. You will use stupid, pointless connections like 9/11-Osama-and our greatness. It takes no intelligence to go after a sore spot on someone. So fuck you guys. Im not reading this anymore. Im sick of your Eurocentrism and how fucking great and advanced your thinking is on all this. Fuck Europe. When you guys become a super power let me know, and maybe then ill ask you for ideas on running our country, until then you are economically poor little pissants with shittily run countries. You think to advise us? YOU? dont be ridiculous. You are nothing, and you must always remember that.

again flame away because im not reading any more of your bullshit.

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Originally posted by tiesto14 ARE U KIDDING MEEEEEE!!!!!!......the Afghan people have gained the most out of this entire situation...the children are allowed to got o school, the women are nolonger tortured...people have a say now..... Did you know that the Taliban sometimes has their womens clitoris' removed so that they would not have desire for other men?...or that they would be beaten if they spoke out of order..maybe even killed... The children of Afghanistan are now able to go to school and wear better cloths because of the U.S. efforts..we have sent millions in school supplies and clothing and even proffesors with strong Afghanistan backgrounds over there inordeer to teach the Afghanistan teachers proper skills, such as math and science...so that the children can learn and prosper... this was NEVER allowed with the Tailban...children did not go to school... so you are very much mistaken that the Afghan people have suffered more then they have gained...even the Afghanistan people are happy with the ridding of the Taliban...

Incidentally, some Afghans have complained that now the country is in a state of chaos with robbers everywhere, whereas the Taliban had provided stability. Afghans have had it better after the attacks judged by western values, but not necessarily by their own.

^^^^^^^^^^^^Aww. He didn't answer my questions. Is this greatness?

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Originally posted by Orbax The ignorance in here is palpable.

sorry i find that really funny...

read ur post. if any ignorance is in here its from the ppl who take offence to us critising the US as a whole. its also coming from those who think that everything you are seeing on US news is the entire story..

carry on dreaming

Ok two more points I am having with trouble on this thread now;

1) The Israel-British conneciton mis-understanding.
2) The fact that a nation's people have no 'influence' or will over their government. Particularly in a democracy.

my comments:

1: My point was that the British are the bloks who controled the Palestine Mandate after their victory in WWI over the turks. Back then they promised all the mandate to the Jews. Then WWII came about and the brits sold the Jews short to the Arabs to win their oil and support in that war. So their solution was as follow: A partition where Arab Palestine is 80% of the area and Jewish palestine is 20%. Now if they wanted that approach they should not have granted the Jewish state at all. But being the bloks they are they are they tried to appease both sides, while actually upsetting both. The good solution (it would not have stopped the fighting, but it would have made it livable and tolerable, and solvable by today) would have been to give the Jews the state west of the Jordan river, which would have actually been a defensable state, and the Arabs the rest of Palestine. this would have been about 70 Arab palestine, and 30 Jewish palestine in area. And both sides would have been happy with the skills of a good diplomat/mediator explaining this plan. But they didn't do that, and that is why we still have the conflict today, and probably for the next few years. The Brits did similar splunders with Greece and Turkey (hmm what do you know they are still hostile too), Cyprus, India and Pakistan.. and the list goes on. But bah I wrote to much about this.. I don't want to get into the mid-east discussion.. as we were bashing America here not Israel. If you guys care to discuss this, I welcome you to carry this onto another thread. But if not, then just take everything I said as the word of God and belive it. For arguments sake at least

2: Renegade and others would like us to belive that a Nation's leader does not repersent the Nations people, particularly in democracy. I will call this blantly idealistic and untrue. All though a Nation never repersents ALL its people, it repersents MOST its people. And if you would like to be blind to the fact most Americans like their president and support him (about 70% i think the last polls) then well go belive in your fantasy. And if you don't think most Israelis don't believe in Sharon and what he is doing, or that most the Brits don't support the policies of Blair, and that most the Palestinians wouldn't vote for Arafat in the next elections.. they you are blantaly naive.

It is much easier to say, you don't think like your government and it does not repersent you. but the truth is in the USA that is a minority. The Majority do. And the people are in charge of who repersents them, if they dont like them, then it is their duty to replace them. But they like them, or could care less and therefore they are there. My government repersents me fairly well, and I support it (the Israeli one). It is understable we don't agree 100% on issues, but this is a democracy it does not even need to be said.

So I just wanted to remind you, that indeed leaders/governments do repersent the majority will of the people of the nation. Only in extremly repressive regiemes is this not true.

Yoepus
"*cough*, oh look my cat wants to give you a present"

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Originally posted by Yoepus I mean look at Kyoto. You wanted the USA to sign the protocol (which I don't think was bad, the bad part was not offering another plan). Ok so the USA didn't sign it. Why do you guys need the USA? Go organize the protocol and sign it yourselfs! Why didn't you? Because your governments discovered the protocol is not all that and the Americans were right.. it was a pretty dumb plan, we need better. [/i]

In addition to what Renegade said, I would add that some leaders in the world have chosen to value a cleaner world for future generations above money, and have thus continued the process. It's too bad that the US will gain an unfair advantage by not following suit.

ok i would just like to state that me and Orbax are not really on the SAME page witrh this arguemet....

i have no problems with any other countries in this world....we ALL have are ups and downs....i like people from all walks of life and dont pre-judge someone based on their nationality .....

I could care less really about the U.S. being a super power or what have you....

i just wanna read the boards without feeling like Americans are concidered a joke in the community....thats all...nothing more ..nothing less...

Persoanlley my step mother is French from Montpellier in the South of France...i have 2 half brothers that are part French, my father was born in Germany ( not really sure where but i beleive near Hockenheim)...my best friend is from Greece (but lives here now)..and i have many many friends that are Greek, Romanian, Italian, Albanian, French, and British...and i dotn mean there parents where born there..i mean they themselves where born and raised there...so i get along great with Europeans and have much love and respect for them and all people from accross the world....

Orbax has gone to the extremes to say why he is upset..but i just want us to be a trance community not a trance communtiy divided by borders....

is that so much to ask?

I was not amused, but confused about the statement made by Orbax.

Its opinions like that, that cause bigger rifts between people.

U must know that saying stuff like "you are Nothing, you must always remember that" is a direct insult?!

Now i truly know that all americans are fat and stupid.

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Originally posted by trancaholic In addition to what Renegade said, I would add that some leaders in the world have chosen to value a cleaner world for future generations above money, and have thus continued the process. It's too bad that the US will gain an unfair advantage by not following suit.

Yes, the USA is doing something very interesting here - it is looking out for its future. The fact is it could care less if it were applied the same constraints as the rest of the world. But the fact is, most of the world is not under the same constraints. And for Bush this was a sore spot, as he belives China (I agree with him) is the most likely canidate for the next super-power. They will be greatly helped with the Kyoto treaty as they can pollute limitless, and America would have to halt production, decreasing its ability to compete.

Already China is aimming for the moon, planes on deploying carriers, and creating a modern military able or projecting its might. This is indeed a valid concern for America. Again I do not agree with Bush being an anti-environmentalist, but I do belive he got it right on this one. The Kyoto treaty should be one standard applied the world, enough with the hypocricy.

Now correct me if I am wrong Renegade, as all my facts on Kyoto come from a year back when it was actually relevant, but wasn't the deal if it was being signed by all the nations that it would be forced upon the nations who did not agree?

And another note, although you Euros think you guys consume less then the yanks, and pollute less, then you have to look at it again, it really is just marginal (compare populace, and nation size to pollution/consumption). The only difference is you guys can claim you are doing something about it.

Yoepus
no kitty, you already gave him one present, he doesn't need anymore

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Originally posted by dj_mdma Now i truly know that all americans are fat and stupid.

Btw, thats a joke, just in case SOMEONE took it too seriously!

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Originally posted by tiesto14 You are right other countries do go through terribel things...and i have noticed.... but NOONE would ever conceive of making fun of a a country who has starving children...why..well because its low-class and just cruel... BUT you on the other hand went out fo your way to mock the attacks...i am sorry but i take great offense to that because i PERSONALLY have lost loved ones due to those attacks....and you continue to make light of it...you are very rude and obnoxious...you have zero respect for me or anyone who was affected by those attacks and all the lost lives on that day...

haha since when did i CONTINUE TO MAKE LIGHT OF IT. you are the one pointing out all non US take the thing light heartedly? your doing it again! get a grip!

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Originally posted by tiesto14 I have seen people mock the September 11th attacks on are country with COMPLETE disregard to how American TAs would feel or respond...

if i could just make a point. Why do some americans such as yourself feel that you were the only victims of this attack. My best friends dad was in one of the towers and was killed, and as well as this, business partners of my dad were killed also, which has almost bankrupted my dads business putting them nearly all out of work.

I remember arrogant George Bush's speech the day after the attack saying "how dare this happen to us" like if it had happened to someone else it wouldnt of mattered. I think u guys need to wake up and realise u werent the only victims here.


Oh yea, btw this thread is dumb.

peace

mikey

My opinion

Although I wasn't born in the United States, I've lived here for a very long time, since early childhood.

The biggest problem with this country is its Puritan heritage that makes a lot of people extremely conservative, especially when compared with Europe. For example, not only is the drinking age 21 (higher than anywhere else), but you'll also get arrested for drinking alcohol on the street. You can't buy erotic magazines or videos in about half the states, because porn is strictly prohibited (especially in the "Bible Belt"). On TV or in the media, they never show any sex or nudity; even the slightest hints thereof are always censored. Sometimes students have to have "parental permissions" to attend art shows where there are naked statues (!), and, just so you know, in about 30 states oral sex and cohabitation without being married are illegal. The State of Utah even has a "porn czar" that immediately censors anything even remotely "objectionable." In some states, high school students have to give virginity pledges (!). Teenagers can't assemble on the street, because this is "loitering," and there's an official legal curfew for them. Oh, I forgot about the "war on drugs" and Bush's "zero tolerance" that makes America so famous, as well as the Clinton sex scandal that showed the stupidity of many Americans.

So as you can see, although the US is considered "the Land of the Free," everyday freedoms are lower than in Europe.

This is the biggest problem I have. Foreign policy could also be a little softer and more reasonable with respect to the rest of the world; maybe that would prevent some of the hatred. However, this is indeed a great country with many opportunities, and I like living here!

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Renegade and others would like us to belive that a Nation's leader does not repersent the Nations people, particularly in democracy. I will call this blantly idealistic and untrue. All though a Nation never repersents ALL its people, it repersents MOST its people.

Yeah, I don't disagree that within a democratic society, the leaders, by and large, represent the views of the majority. But at the same time, I simply wish to make the distinction between the government and the people, because the decisions that the government makes are tangible and thus open to critique, whereas I cannot possibly make judgements on the American people, given that I have never lived there. For me to generalise and say "Americans support this" or "I completely disagree with Americans because...." is illogical. Perhaps the majority of Americans do support the things I oppose, but it still doesn't give me the right to make generalisations about the entire populace.

Perhaps it's just my PC side coming out, but I've made the distinction for a reason. I don't think it's overly important, but I feel I should make this clear so as to avoid being accused of making attacks that could be construed as "personal" when that wasn't my intention at all.

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But the fact is, most of the world is not under the same constraints. And for Bush this was a sore spot, as he belives China (I agree with him) is the most likely canidate for the next super-power. They will be greatly helped with the Kyoto treaty as they can pollute limitless, and America would have to halt production, decreasing its ability to compete.

No, no, no. Within the Kyoto protocol, it does allow for some countries to increase pollution, but at the same time these increases, in theory, ensure that these countries do not increase pollution at the rate that they may otherwise do. So, for instance, Australia was allowed a small increase in emmissions, but the increase in emitions was likely to be higher without the protocol in place. So, in effect, all countries, in some way, are constrained in the emmissions that they can produce, and no country was given free range to produce as much pollution as they like.

As for your superpower theory, I think most analysts agree that China will overtake the US as the main global economic force within the next 50 odd years, Kyoto Protocol or not. It makes no sense to allow for the pollution of our planet simply to delay the inevitable - isn't it arrogant to assume that China will be a less worthy superpower than the US anyway? If that's the assumption your fears are based on?

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Now correct me if I am wrong Renegade, as all my facts on Kyoto come from a year back when it was actually relevant, but wasn't the deal if it was being signed by all the nations that it would be forced upon the nations who did not agree?

Well my memory on the issue is a bit hazy now, so I could be wrong, but I think the idea was that most of the countries - particularly those with large, already established economies - would sign the protocol, and then use this collective power to influence other nations into complying with it.

Though, so far as I know, if a country didn't sign the treaty, then there is no way the deal can be "forced" upon them.

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike if i could just make a point. Why do some americans such as yourself feel that you were the only victims of this attack. My best friends dad was in one of the towers and was killed, and as well as this, business partners of my dad were killed also, which has almost bankrupted my dads business putting them nearly all out of work. I remember arrogant George Bush's speech the day after the attack saying "how dare this happen to us" like if it had happened to someone else it wouldnt of mattered. I think u guys need to wake up and realise u werent the only victims here.

well i assume noone else cares in here if people make light of the attacks...but i do...i have not once said that American where the only ones affected that day...not once...

But rememeber the attacks where in MY backyard....i saw them happen with MY eyes..not the TV..with my OWN EYES....I SAW PEOPLE jumping for their lives from a 100 story building and heard their desperate screams and the sound of there bodies slamming against the floor even though i was blocks away....i saw the terror in peoples eyes from ALL walks of lives...i was there not knowing if another plane was coming or what else was going to happen....I was there, not even 20 blocks from the collapse holding a girlfriend of mine who thought she was going to die at any minute...and i was the one who had to be strong and protect her from her fears...I lost friends on that day...who thought they where going to work and had plans after work to go out at night..but couldnt...i had a friend who was flying to California that day who ended up flying into a fucking building..someone i grew up with!!!!!!......i saw grown men, police men and firemen cry with tears as they knew they could do nothing to help these people...I went home that day and had to clean myself of all the dust that was all over my body from once was the twin towers...

SO FUCK OFF IF I TAKE IT A LITTLE PERSONAL....i live in NYC and saw it first hand...i wasnt 20 miles away..i wasnt watching on TV..i wasnt hearing it on the radio...i was there...i could walk from where i was watching to the towers in under 15 minutes....

i am not saying i am the only one./././i KNOW FOR A FACT i am not...but i am the only one on this board who seems to take great offense to the way some people regard that day........

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike Oh yea, btw this thread is dumb.

I am beginning to agree with you there...

As an American, I want to put in my two cents for our defense. We do take Sept 11 very seriously and I don't think that it is just because I live near New York. It is certaintly the most devasting thing that has happened to our country in my lifetime and we all have our own ways of dealing with it. Obviously some people are irrational about it or overly violent, but everyone has had different reactions, so please don't generalize, just as you ask us not to generalize about Europe.

Second, I am certaintly not speaking for everyone, but a lot of Americans have very uniformed concepts about foriegn politics (especially myself) so don't expect us to understand why some of you hate us because we really don't know what we did wrong sometimes.

We live in a VERY big country with drastically different ways of life so it is often to overwheling to worry about cultures on a continent 3000+ miles away. I am not saying that we shouldn't make more of an effort to understand why you make fun of us, but your culture does not touch ours directly on a regular basis (except here maybe).




Finally, a comment from a couple pages ago claimed Europe produces better music - I have to agree that you have produced some superbly superior DJs to this country and most of our pop music is absolute crap and an embarrasment to this country.

Maybe that is a more relevant thing to discuss considering the forum we are on?

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Originally posted by DuMonde TrAnCeR haha since when did i CONTINUE TO MAKE LIGHT OF IT.

well since u r intrested to know when u did the fucken stupid comment of flight 643 and people told u it was rude and stuff..u still went on and thats when me and u went at it until u finally shut it..when u noticed that u aint funny..

k ive only read so much of this thread and id like to comment on some things...

and i should prolly mention the fact that im neither an US citizen nor resident..

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From what I've seen on TV, in movies, on these boards and stories I've heard I got the feeling I didn't like US citizens much, mainly because of the superiority complex many of them seem to have......thenagain....how could I judge a country with over 250 billion ppl to be all the same? It's not like all Dutch smoke weed or refuse to treat other ppl every now and then

thats exactly why alot of the americans feel resentment. beacause people assume things about them from what they hear on TV and etc and the media tends to depict what they think well respesents their point or catches viewers attention.

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In response to your post: I think it's easier for us to find defectives in the American System (way of life) because we see American things around us EVERYWHERE....however...how can you say such ignorant things about Europe if you don't even know what Europe is...where it is....what it is about..etc.....ask US citizen where Holland is....and 9 out 0f 10 think it's a city in Massachusets ight?

okay.. maybe its true that some americans arent too aware of exisisting countries in europes, but isnt it safe to say that majority people making these assumptons of the us are actually the same Europeans that have never stepped a foot on us soil? and rely on the information supplied by the media?

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Since the September 11th attacks, I've actually begun feeling even more anti-american. Probably because of the way Bush handled it all...

you do realize that not all americans agreed on the decisions made by Bush. and often the common peoples' voices are never heard.

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I've been to America 2 times, great country, nice people nothing wrong with it, but when I hear you say that America is the best country in the world, the most powerfull nation in the world and all that other nonsense.. just makes me sick

maybe you should trust your own perceptions than what you have heard?
you do realize that what you are getting hearing and seeing are information given my the media in your own country? this has nothing to do with the dutch media but, media in general tends to be bias....


if these replies are oudated im sorry. i havent had the time to catch up to the rest of the thread just yet... but these few posts were that one that i found disturbing and questions the hostil feelings by the americans on this board... likei mentioned, im neither american nor do i live there. but i dont understand why they are starting to act up against all the US basing. not cuz they are wrong or feel superior over other countries and people. but b/c they want to correct the false image that people, who have minimal clues as to wut the real americans are like, have.

hell i dont think the US is perfect and can name many of their flaws but i do think all this US bashing is truely childish.

-BLuEOcEaN420
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Originally posted by Vitryss the US did NOT save Europe in WW2, Russia did, which you would know if you read your history.

What an ignorant statement!

Who's history are you reading? If it wasn't for the lend lease act, the millions of tanks, food, supplies sent to Russia (who never paid us back) and Brittan (who did pay us back) from the US, Europe would be under Nazi control.

** Note - Please do not group me with Orbax. I do not share the same arrogant, condescending attitude he does (and I am fairly certain the vast majority of the USTA's dont) **

Some of these comments are ignorant, but some of them are very valid, intelligent comments. Yes, Americans in general are very insecure about ourselves and can take things way too seriously. Granted, being bashed can be annoying, but it's usually all in jest (although whoever said that American gun laws make us lazy .. and any September 11th comments are entirely out of line) I admit that George Dubya Bush is not the most intelligent man in the world *thick sarcasm*, and that he practices faulty foreign policy. I admit that our country can tend to have an arrogant attitude, and whoever commented on the rich kid in school getting beat up and picked on the most - props to you, good analogy.

Granted, I love living here, and am not bashing the United States. I just understand the views of other people and can take it with a grain of salt.

what a thread....shit....

i dont really care anymore....yeah...USA gets shitted on, when we defend ourselves, people call us rude, jerks, agressive....

whatever...i'm not even gonna start talking about the "socialist" style system that still dominates in many of European countries......****yeah!!! make everyone as equal as we can yeah!!!! govermnet subsidies galore so we can compete with Japan and USA yeah!!!!****



in my view, socialism is as close as it gets to Communism these days

late/

>JM<

heh..i went overboard

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Originally posted by butterfly Finally, a comment from a couple pages ago claimed Europe produces better music - I have to agree that you have produced some superbly superior DJs to this country and most of our pop music is absolute crap and an embarrasment to this country. Maybe that is a more relevant thing to discuss considering the forum we are on?

yayayayay!! I KNEW I had something to contribute

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Originally posted by Juricimo in my view, socialism is as close as it gets to Communism these days

What's wrong with Communism?

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