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Originally posted by �Zm�zis I choose not to vote because I don't agree with the system. Instead I just choose to adapt to the new changes they bring forth and not whine about it...

That's about the least intelligent statement I've read on politics. Dude, you're a fuckin' nobody and your views on "the system" mean absolutely sweet dick all unless you're going to act on them. If you really think "the system" is flawed then you should be trying to change it, which can really only be done from within it. You've given up your right to an opinion by choosing to abstain from involvement.

All that said, chances are you just profess to have this "the system is bullshit" mentality because you either; a) are too lazy to take the time or effort to understand it; or b) you figure it's less pathetic to profess that position then it is to just admit that you're incapable or unwilling to participate. No one who actually understands politics would ever believe that the best way to deal with it is to simply stay uninvolved.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced Canadians should be ashamed of themselves for not going out and voting....58%....that is pathetic. It makes the whole process a complete joke...but don't worry...in two years we will be back at it again.

within probably a year and a half.


but how pathetic is that voter turn-out. seriously people. wtf?

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Originally posted by dEsidEL

good old NDP in northern ontario

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Originally posted by fayraree except for those voters that simply want to change the current party.

Nope. My suggestion to vote Communist applies to those also, because if they don't care who they vote for as long as it's not the current party, they might as well vote Communist.

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Originally posted by �Zm�zis You know what I wrote in the cor... I don't need to write it here too. Politics is a bullshit system put in place to hide social corruption. Candidates put forth by the system and voted in by people to continue running a garbage system.

bahahaha.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard That's about the least intelligent statement I've read on politics. Dude, you're a fuckin' nobody and your views on "the system" mean absolutely sweet dick all unless you're going to act on them. If you really think "the system" is flawed then you should be trying to change it, which can really only be done from within it. You've given up your right to an opinion by choosing to abstain from involvement. All that said, chances are you just profess to have this "the system is bullshit" mentality because you either; a) are too lazy to take the time or effort to understand it; or b) you figure it's less pathetic to profess that position then it is to just admit that you're incapable or unwilling to participate. No one who actually understands politics would ever believe that the best way to deal with it is to simply stay uninvolved.

Just because I think the system is flawed doesn't mean I give a flying fuck to change the system. It's a system that has been put in place many many years ago and its not going to change. Those who want to make a difference can take their sweet ass time while I lay on the beach enjoying my pinacolada.

This is why I don't get involved in politics. Why should I have to stress over some jerk off politian or a system that has always overpromised but underdelivered.

Adapt to the new changes and move on with yourlife. If you don't like the new changes and don't want to adapt then head to the fucking mountains.

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Originally posted by �Zm�zis Just because I think the system is flawed doesn't mean I give a flying fuck to change the system.

So what you're really saying is that; a) it isn't really flawed (or at least enough that it should concern anyone), and b) that's not really why you're not involved. Just admit it... you're too lazy or self-centred to care. You can try to justify it all you like but ultimately it just boils down to you being too lazy or self-centred... probably both.

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Originally posted by �Zm�zis Just because I think the system is flawed doesn't mean I give a flying fuck to change the system. It's a system that has been put in place many many years ago and its not going to change. Those who want to make a difference can take their sweet ass time while I lay on the beach enjoying my pinacolada. This is why I don't get involved in politics. Why should I have to stress over some jerk off politian or a system that has always overpromised but underdelivered. Adapt to the new changes and move on with yourlife. If you don't like the new changes and don't want to adapt then head to the fucking mountains.

Why are you in this thread in the first place? please gtfo.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard So what you're really saying is that; a) it isn't really flawed (or at least enough that it should concern anyone), and b) that's not really why you're not involved. Just admit it... you're too lazy or self-centred to care. You can try to justify it all you like but ultimately it just boils down to you being too lazy or self-centred... probably both.

haha because you know exactly how I feel about it! Didn't realize you were Professor Xavier over here...

Watch something more than the 6'oclock news and learn what goes on behind closed doors then you might see the flaws of our political system (and I'm not refering to just the Canadian political system).

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur they might as well vote Communist.

keep ur commie russian views to urself

where's mccarthy when u need him?

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Originally posted by �Zm�zis haha because you know exactly how I feel about it! Didn't realize you were Professor Xavier over here... Watch something more than the 6'oclock news and learn what goes on behind closed doors then you might see the flaws of our political system (and I'm not refering to just the Canadian political system).

if only you knew

On a side note I would go vote if they offered me a pint of beer at the voting station...

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Originally posted by �Zm�zis Watch something more than the 6'oclock news and learn what goes on behind closed doors then you might see the flaws of our political system (and I'm not refering to just the Canadian political system).

I suppose the fact that I have a degree in political science and have been involved in politics for years (actively involved... executive VP of a riding association, sat on national committee groups, wrote speeches, ran fund raisers, etc) just makes me a tool of the political system. No way someone with that type of background may just know what he's talking about.

Are there flaws, sure; however, you can't change anything by removing yourself from the process and claiming that those flaws are the reason you're not involved is an excuse and nothing more.

You've proven that you don't know anything about politics and profess not to care; moreover, you've already accepted that you are completely and utterly unimportant thus there is no point in discussing this with you. Enjoy your irrelevancy.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard I suppose the fact that I have a degree in political science and have been involved in politics for years (actively involved... executive VP of a riding association, sat on national committee groups, wrote speeches, ran fund raisers, etc) just makes me a tool of the political system. No way someone with that type of background may just know what he's talking about. Are there flaws, sure; however, you can't change anything by removing yourself from the process and claiming that those flaws are the reason you're not involved is an excuse and nothing more. You've proven that you don't know anything about politics and profess not to care; moreover, you've already accepted that you are completely and utterly unimportant thus there is no point in discussing this with you. Enjoy your irrelevancy.

Honestly, I expected more from you.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard You've proven that you don't know anything about politics and profess not to care; moreover, you've already accepted that you are completely and utterly unimportant thus there is no point in discussing this with you. Enjoy your irrelevancy.

Naa I like saying what I want to say, you don't have to respond...

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced Honestly, I expected more from you.

There really isn't any point in tearing him apart; a) there's no sport in making a fool look even more foolish, b) he's irrelevant, no point giving attention to people who don't matter.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard just makes me a tool

qft

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Originally posted by FunkyCrew waste of a vote!

a vote made is a vote counted for.. soo not a waste technically sooooo...

you are wrong ,, the ppl that did not vote are the ones who wasted a vote NOT the people who did.

it's this mentality that concerns me as a Canadian!

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard There really isn't any point in tearing him apart; a) there's no sport in making a fool look even more foolish, b) he's irrelevant, no point giving attention to people who don't matter.

Everyone has their own opinion, doesn't mean you should bash them...

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Originally posted by Intangible No such thing. 1) Being able to choose freely is never a waste 2) Many of the smaller parties have gained popularity and each election the recieve more votes it helps them gain momentum because - If they recieve 2% of the votes or more they get money each year for their campaining - Word of Mouth 15 minutes left to vote!! (Election coverage cancelled Beverly Hills lol)

thank you !

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Originally posted by fayraree keep ur commie russian views to urself where's mccarthy when u need him?

don't make me cut you with my sickle, comrad.

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Originally posted by jsibilin ,,

this concerns me as a Canadian

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur Voting only for the two major parties because only they have the chance at winning defeats both the purpose of democracy and the electoral process.

Actually, strategy voting is a fundamental tenet of democracy and the electoral process. See Gibbard�Satterthwaite Theorem.

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Originally posted by Intangible I am tired of these guys getting my money to sit and drink coffee, debate for hours and come up with no action plan.

Yeeeeah... Harper's Conservatives have been very busy with their minority government. I mean, that's awfully cynical, even for you, even for me. It's a little sad that most of their support has had to come from the BQ, and I can't say I agree with all of the acts they've passed or worked on, but to say they sit around drinking coffee and not coming up with any plan is, well, wrong. Even the Chretien/Martin Liberals didn't do that - they were coming up with elaborate scams to waste even more taxpayer money, but they still weren't sitting around sipping lattes.

And seriously, if you people want to complain about wasted taxpayer money, there are way more expensive boondoggles to harp on. Come on.

These comments are so ridiculous. If the Liberals had somehow squeaked out a minority, nobody would be complaining that the election was a waste. So is every election a waste unless the distribution of power changes? And if not, then why does the interval matter, and shouldn't it also matter that the Conservatives took more seats and very nearly did win a majority?

^^^

Harper has been able to govern just fine...so I'd agree that they've been plenty busy. That's part of why this election was a farce. Parliament was NOT dysfunctional, as the CPC was effectively able to pass whatever it wanted.

Winning more seats is NOT a valid excuse for the election call. For one, it's in hindsight. Second, Harper himself said that the goal/purpose was to obtain a majority...so the election could be deemed a failure.

I'm pleased that the Liberals didn't squeak out a minority. I think this will be the wake up call and will likely trigger a leadership change, hopefully with Igantieff who was my first pick anyway. I still support Dion and still prefer him to Harper, but a very weak Liberal minority would have been pointless and unproductive, IMHO, other than to have Harper gone.

We won't rehash breaking the fixed election dates (which his supporters magically interpret to only apply to majority gov'ts, as if a minority gov't can't call a self-serving election, lol...one just did!)

Just because there are bigger wastes of money, it doesn't make THIS waste of money any more accpetable.

This election was pointless, unnecessary and completely self-serving for the CPC as it does not benefit Canadians as a whole AT ALL, IMHO.

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Originally posted by MarkT Winning more seats is NOT a valid excuse for the election call. For one, it's in hindsight. Second, Harper himself said that the goal/purpose was to obtain a majority...so the election could be deemed a failure.

These two points contradict each other. They wanted to win a majority, they didn't, but they came pretty close and obviously had no way of knowing whether or not they'd succeed. You can't say it was a waste based on hindsight alone - democracy doesn't work on guarantees.

Besides, I would argue that winning more seats is in fact a valid excuse. 124 seats to 143 is nothing to sneeze at, and the Tories have had to rely far too much on the Bloc for support. They probably still will, to an extent, but just because they don't have a majority doesn't mean the additional seats won't make it easier for them to govern.

As for the election date issue, yeah, that's sort of BS, but it really has no bearing on whether or not the election was "wasteful".

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