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| Originally posted by PETRAN I mean, a 70-minute bleep-blop sequence with some effects thrown-in could be excellent for a small sweaty club (and cocaine is a helluva drug) but its not...like...real music. I can understand the "rawness"/let-loose purpose of such techno sets, but truth it, they are not something memorable. because the tracks themselves are not memorable. Because there are no themes or even some basic musicianship associated with those tracks, just production-tricks and effects which would hopefully "push all the right buttons" and make some random drunk punter's (lol at this British word)mind (?) and/or body move. Ofcourse, this is not necessarily a bad thing, and as i said before, one can have the time of his/her life dancing to this kind of music in a small sweaty club (and cocaine can be a helluva drug). Its just, not something of high quality, and consequently (IMO) not something i would come back to and/or appreciate as the time passes. I guess though that its not the purpose of such music though. |
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| yes, he is a post-teenage-fanboy full of angst |
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| Originally posted by sljiva I guess El Freak, Clovis, RJT, Mark Anthony and similar cool dudes that hang around here all day discussing mnml/tech/deep/whatever (among other things) are actually well aware of this (in a 30 years time, I bet we'll still remember and respect tracks/albums by Underworld, Leftfield, Autechre..., not so much by Radio Slave, Gui Boratto or John Dahlbäck). However, that shit is trendy right now, they are trendy guys, and TA is a trendy board. Your preaching will not change a thing. If you don't like them (or music they listen), go to some untrendy forum like WATMM, Drum & Bass Arena, Dubstepforum, Trance.nu and you won't have any problems. |
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| Originally posted by Lindt |
the thing is i think all of us listen to just more than techno and put a genre label on what we play because it is easier for people to swallow and people like labels.
(not trying to self promote) but if you look at the sets, there are still some progressive elements(insomniac delights is way closer to what digweed would play than hawtin...ichs mein techs mex has deep house and funky mastiksoul in it...ect), trancy tech house (it would be called trance if the bpm was higher), and on top of that although i do like mnml i do not play very much real mnml and usually use it as a dj tool for layering. I have been collecting records since the 90's and have all genres, which will only be disposable to those who chose to make it so. Musics relevance in 30 years time is only relevant depending on the person and his preference. Electronic music as a whole is irrelevant to the mainstream (barring perhaps the 90's house explosion and euro), so even the subject of relevance is subjective. I have a shit tons of trance, i just don't really feel like playing it, it does not mean i hate it.
also if you were calling trentemoller minimal...that shit is funny.
massive wall of text that have nothing to do with my topic.
one love people!...if you dont think Trentemoller is talented...that is fine, but he is not your average DJ, that is for sure. here is an example why !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tqjmf5M4gjU
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| Originally posted by PETRAN Wow, how many sets have you recorded? Anyway, erm im not very fond of this style...(Samim-i vomit-no offence)so, whats like the best set lol? |
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| Originally posted by elFreak the thing is i think all of us listen to just more than techno and put a genre label on what we play because it is easier for people to swallow and people like labels. (not trying to self promote) but if you look at the sets, there are still some progressive elements(insomniac delights is way closer to what digweed would play than hawtin...ichs mein techs mex has deep house and funky mastiksoul in it...ect), trancy tech house (it would be called trance if the bpm was higher), and on top of that although i do like mnml i do not play very much real mnml and usually use it as a dj tool for layering. I have been collecting records since the 90's and have all genres, which will only be disposable to those who chose to make it so. Musics relevance in 30 years time is only relevant depending on the person and his preference. Electronic music as a whole is irrelevant to the mainstream (barring perhaps the 90's house explosion and euro), so even the subject of relevance is subjective. I have a shit tons of trance, i just don't really feel like playing it, it does not mean i hate it. |
the advent of the mp3 has made most music disposable to the click and pick generation, where as genres like rock from the 60's and 70's have always been held in higher esteem due to different social values and the music being something that played a huge role in the generations identity. Hint: no one will remember what you like in 30 years either for reasons almost identical to everything you just posted.
that simple.
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| Originally posted by sljiva (in a 30 years time, I bet we'll still remember and respect tracks/albums by Underworld, Leftfield, Autechre..., not so much by Radio Slave, Gui Boratto or John Dahlbäck). |
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| Originally posted by PETRAN Yes, im sometimes wondering myself why i steel come back to this forum, and the reason would probably be that there are some people here who i enjoy talking to, because of their musical knowledge and their attitude towards music and things in general. |
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| Originally posted by elFreak this is what i meant petran. the fact that these artists are not in vogue at all and sell less today, guarantees that in 30 years they will be even less relevant than they are today for the majority of people. this comment equates to : i like this more so more people will remember it. you both know it. the majority of the population has no clue who any of these people are.(icluding those i actually prefer.) ps sljiva: at least get what we like right |
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| Originally posted by sljiva Have to agree with the overrated statement. People who are amazed by Trent are probably listening to some pretty boring music. Can't blame them however, there's just too much music these days, but also this "everything that's not minimized sucks" attitude cool EDM guys are promoting these days doesn't help either. |
links to these polls. (i look forward to seeing exactly who was polled...and giving you the same answer you would probably give in regards to the dj mag top dj poll, trance addict poll etc.)
also, i love each and every one of those detroit soldiers, and have paid top dollar to see them whenever possible and have an extensive catalogue of their releases on vinyl, but guess what, in 30 years they will be a footnote and forgotten.
99% percent of the world has no clue who these legends are now, do you think in 30 years they will be classics?
come on man.
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| Originally posted by elFreak links to these polls. (i look forward to seeing exactly who was polled...and giving you the same answer you would probably give in regards to the dj mag top dj poll, trance addict poll etc.) |
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| Originally posted by elFreak also, i love each and every one of those detroit soldiers, and have paid top dollar to see them whenever possible and have an extensive catalogue of their releases on vinyl, but guess what, in 30 years they will be a footnote and forgotten. 99% percent of the world has no clue who these legends are now, do you think in 30 years they will be classics? come on man. |
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| Originally posted by sljiva After you give me the link about sales stats Sorry if I didn't mention this earlier, but when I said we I meant EDM community. Of course I don't expect some Alabama kid who's born on this day to know about Juan Atkins in 30 years, but I sincerely believe that every serious EDM lover these days (and in 30 years time) knows who is he and what he's done for electronic music in general. Just like we today know and respect Kraftwerk or Tangerine Dream even if majority of us weren't even born when they released their most important work. |
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| Originally posted by elFreak the fact that these artists are not in vogue at all and sell less today, guarantees that in 30 years they will be even less relevant than they are today for the majority of people. this comment equates to : i like this more so more people will remember it. |
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| Originally posted by elFreak also, i love each and every one of those detroit soldiers, and have paid top dollar to see them whenever possible and have an extensive catalogue of their releases on vinyl, but guess what, in 30 years they will be a footnote and forgotten. |
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| 99% percent of the world has no clue who these legends are now, do you think in 30 years they will be classics? |
i will concur with that to an extent.
the thing is what people hold dear to them will always be dear to them, what people hold dear to them will not always be dear to what other people hold dear to them.
some people might love that music you think is boring and still like it 30 years down, while forgetting what you like.
every argument applied thus far could be used in retrospect against the people arguing them for exactly the same reason.
I think the argument is that the current stylistic trend you subscribe to is not going to have the historical resonance that movements like progressive house or IDM had in the 1990s.
I don't know if that means anything- the whole idea behind those Epic House sets was to remember a stylistic trend that has almost been forgotten a decade on. I still think it's great music, but it isn't remembered like early progressive or the IDM scene.
Can't really speak in Petran's name, but I think he can't accept the fact that so much good music is being overlooked today, just because people are concentrating too much on this whole mnml/tech scene which is pretty miss-ey these days. I felt that way too some time ago, but I really don't care anymore.
For example let's take that Derek Carr's album which I recommended in another thread. If that album was released 10 or 15 years ago, it would be considered classic these days, simply because it is brilliant and could stand among John Beltran's, B12's or Kirk Degiorgio's best work from that time. Shamely, these days this kind of sound is not in the spotlight anymore (even with techno fans), and a lot of people will not hear it (even if some of us try hard to promote it). But they sure will hear new Radio Slave tune which they'll forget in two months...
You could say it's all about taste again, but I don't agree
what makes one music good and the other not good?
if you can answer this and back it up with absolute proof you win the internet.
you do not have to agree, the world does not revolve around your tastes.
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| Originally posted by elFreak what makes one music good and the other not good? if you can answer this and back it up with absolute proof you win the internet. |
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| Originally posted by sljiva Can't really speak in Petran's name, but I think he can't accept the fact that so much good music is being overlooked today, just because people are concentrating too much on this whole mnml/tech scene which is pretty miss-ey these days. I felt that way too some time ago, but I really don't care anymore. For example let's take that Derek Carr's album which I recommended in another thread. If that album was released 10 or 15 years ago, it would be considered classic these days, simply because it is brilliant and could stand among John Beltran's, B12's or Kirk Degiorgio's best work from that time. Shamely, these days this kind of sound is not in the spotlight anymore (even with techno fans), and a lot of people will not hear it (even if some of us try hard to promote it). But they sure will hear new Radio Slave tune which they'll forget in two months... You could say it's all about taste again, but I don't agree |
It's just dance music and doesn't purport to be anything else - except in some cases, and that's troublesome. This is my main complaint with things like epic trance, prog and a lot of deep house. it looks, sounds, and smells like music, but it's not really.| quote: |
| In India musicians are now dying out because of lack of appreciation. Those potentates, those Gurus, those teachers of high inspiration who lived in the past, appreciated this music. But even in India people are becoming industrialized and more materialistic, and music is dying. There are very few now of those musicians of former times who would make all those who listened spellbound; they hardly exist any longer. Among millions there are perhaps three or four and they will have vanished in a few years. Maybe one day the Western world will awaken to India's music as now the West is awakening to the poetry of the East, and beginning to appreciate such works as those of Rabindranath Tagore. There will come a time when they will ask for music of that kind too, and then it will not be found, it will be too late. But there is no doubt that if that music, which is magic and which is built on a psychological basis is introduced in the West, it will root out all such things as jazz. People seem to spoil their senses. This music is destroying their delicacy of sense. Thousands every day are dancing to jazz music and they forget the effect it has upon their spirit, upon their mind, upon their delicate senses. There was a prince of Rampur who wanted to study music with a great teacher. But the teacher knew the character of the prince who was fond of music, and he understood that many musicians would want to show their talents before him. He said, 'I can only teach you on one condition: I do not want to hear any musician who is not an accomplished artist, because your sense of music must not be destroyed; it must be preserved for delicate music, it must be able to appreciate the fine intricacies.' When the education of the public destroys the delicacy of its musical appreciation, it cannot help the fact that it does not like listening to real music but prefers jazz. Instead of going forward, it is going backward. And if music which is the central theme of the whole human culture is not helping people to go forward, it is a great pity. |
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| Originally posted by nefardec everyone knows dance music is 95% shit |
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| Originally posted by sljiva Yeah righ. You prove me that music from your sets is better than, let's say, epic trance and back it up with absolute proof and I'll never post on this board again. We all talk bullshit and we know it... |
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| Originally posted by sljiva You could say it's all about taste again, but I don't agree |
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